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Posted: 12 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: Lotusfan

Thank you. Have not watched the episode yet. i always look forward to reading your analysis of the episode and as always BRILLIANT


A good episode, highlights an emotional and moral conflict
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Arshiji,
Today, even the episode writers would not have been able to defend the episode as well as you did convincingly today.

My sympathies with them! First for disjointed sequence of events .(did anyone make out when was the wedding? Day or night?) secondly for second time this week precap was wrongly shown.

I will not judge someone's personal Lakshman Rekha of morality.
But for me, Kumud's character is about strength of her persona. She battles her fights fiercely, taking lead to move forward, whatever may be her circumstance. she leads Saras as well. I believe it is the same in book.. Why show your anger at Saras, for something which happened with your consent? These inconsistency in characterisation does not go well with me at least.

Now I hope writer's would bring that strength back to Kumud through Guniyal..
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: P020167

ok, Today I am going to be the first one...I am in totally bashing mood after watching this "Paap" episode.

Mardon ko moh ka shrap hai

Aurat ko maryada ka vardan
Seriously...since when...may be since women started thinking this way.
I loved Saras today...he is in love with his soul mate...he didnt do anything wrong...they both have no dooriya now...Loved this.
Kumud, please I am totally disappointed. You are crying like he Ra*** you. If you were so much into "Maryada" why did you remove 4 kadam dooriya. You should have kept it...where did "Maryada" go when he kissed your hands.
I didn't like today's episode...just because the way Kumud reacted. I understand if their love is not known to everyone and they con***, I can understand the guilt. Except marriage functaion...they were already oen for each other...even Dugba said it too...Kumud you shouldn't have called it "paap".
Over all rating 5/10
For Kumud: 2/10 (2 is for emoting "paap" expression very well)
For Saras only: 10/10
I am still mad ):


Yes, I know what you are saying, but it was her social conditioning speaking

And since she this is her mental makeup, she should not have given in

It is only as wrong as you feel it to be!

And this is where she blames herself,

If she is so convinced that this is paap

Then she needed to stop herself, and she blames herself

And I blame her too, as she finds it so wrong, she shouldn't have allowed it to happen

But as to why she should think so, I understand

Edited by arshicritic - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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The overall sense of "ulloo"ness is quite high.

Tonight's episode, dashed the collective expectations, I think, of everyone on this forum, not only in terms of what was shown or not, but also in terms of Kumud's volte-face. Bechaara Saras!

If this causes the rift, well at least it's not saas-related. In fact we seem to be moving from straightening out Saras' flaws to tackling Kumud's problems now... If it descends to the pregnancy issue that wd be pretty mundane. I hope it is not that, but after today, I shall not be hazarding any guesses...😆 Tonight has left me choosing between crazy laughter and complete confusion. 😒

I have no idea where this is going, I hope somebody knows..., MAYBE , err... SLB..?...🤣


Edited by happychappy - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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:/ I was expecting a delightful, full of romance and love scene but my expectation went in vein! Nevertheless the guilt, the upbringing in Kumud was quite appreciating. I hope they both would recover from the trauma and get united again!⭐️
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Posted: 12 years ago
#16

Originally posted by: Jammy-

@arshicritic- what I don't get is that if she upholds the values taught to her so much she wouldn't have given in into those feelings. No matter how much carried away you get.. you always can stop it... you can always say NO.


I understand that for her its a huge deal but there are better ways to deal with it... discuss it with Saras.. let him comfort you rather than acting like he fking raped her! not done... its not fair to Saras.


True Jammy agree with your sentiments - not fair to Saras, and she should have stopped it,

But wahi, young and in love, reckless, gave into her emotions, his proximity and his touch have always affected her, in all their previous romantic scenes, she has not been able to resist him

That's all we can say in her defense, she wasn't rational last night, she is not rational now, last night it was her desires and emotions, hormones if you so call them, today it is her social conditioning

She comes from a village where even being out with Saras was a scandal, so I also get why she feels guilty
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Arshi loved your shaayari "Nadi ke do kinare hum, hamare beech nirmal jal". How do you write so nicely? Their act was pure if we think from the point of love but where society is concerned it is a sin. "Men are cursed with seeking pleasure, women are given the duty to uphold morality" - I am with you Arshi, SLB take a bow. However the times change, however forward we have come a girl has always been brought up with these moral values and she is cursing herself for crossing the border. It is not because she doesn't trust him but because as per her she has sinned. I have read many people asking how can she react to him like that, I felt seeing him makes her remember the moment and realise what they have done. She is actually cursing herself not him for what happened. A very sad state indeed.

Saras is right at his place. He loves her, had accepted her as his and is happy that the last distance between them is no more. I don't know if I might sound old fashioned, but I almost felt there lies the stark difference between a man and a woman in such a circumstance. I pity him as well because he doesn't even understand in what way it is a sin. A night which was so memorable and precious for him is considered a sin by her.

When he told her you won't be alone in this, I will be with you...I remembered the scene where he applies the red colour on her face and washes it. I was thinking why but later felt because of him she had a stain on her and he will be the one to clear it as well. I have a feeling he will take it up on him like the guahathiya case.

My only worry after seeing today's episode, we didn't get to see anything and as per the promo the only person who saw everything is Guman. Are we going to get the flashback of it from Guman..I can never forgive SLB if that happens 😭
Edited by kaadal - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: arshicritic


Mardon ko moh ka shrap hai

Aurat ko maryada ka vardan

We live in conflicting times

There are some issues and dilemmas we face when

The lines between right and wrong are sometimes blurred

What feels right to our heart is right,

and if we cannot look at ourselves in the mirror , then what we did is not right


For some the purity of intention is how they judge their actions

Others, judge themselves by the righteousness of their actions


This was exactly what happened with our Saras and Kumud


What happened between them

IMO, was not a sin,

A transgression of rules set by society, yes,

but a sin? No.


Saras loves Kumud

What happened between them

Was a natural consequence of this love

These moments were precious and beautiful

And he will always treasure them

Spiritually they are married

And for him that made it right!


Kumud loves Saras

But she has a strong sense of moral duty

Of social right and wrong

Her upbringing has taught her that crossing the lakshman rekha is a sin

She gave in to her feelings last night

Now she is consumed with guilt


I loved the episode

The conflict, the pain of Saras, the shame of Kumud

The distance created because they came so close


Today I felt immense respect for Mr Saraswatichnadra, the man

If the joy of shared moments was his

Then he will take the pain of its consequence also

If Kumud was with him in pleasure

Then he will be with her in penance too👏

Smrth the key is in the line - men are cursed with seeking pleasure, women are given the duty to uphold morality

It is so deeply ingrained in a girl's psyche that pre marital sex is a sin, that it is hard to come to terms with it

She is pushing away the very feeling that caused her to lose control, she should have known better she feels

Now if we connect some more dots, social approval has always been high on her list - the whole proposal was a part of the same.

She is ashamed, because that is what is taught to girls , that it is shameful

Yes, if Guman keeps Saras away, cuts off contact, then rift created by guilt could become huge

One nasty fear since last night - could pregnancy become the reason for marriage to Pramad, don't kill me, just voicing my fears



Arshiji - aapke charan kahan hai??? What a beautiful post. You have justified the episode really well. I would not rate it as high you did today.

I am not judging the morality of the act but I did think Kumud was being way too harsh on Saras. She is not blaming Saras though, she blames herself for loosing control. Scares me to think what penance they are talking about..

I understand that PMS is a taboo esp in rural settings and with her kind of upbringing and set of values. Completion of rituals, Gandharva vivah style without witnesses and her family giving her away is not sanction enough for Kumud to do the deed. So it is a sin for her. I just wish I had not heard her call it a sin though. I felt so bad for Saras. Uff, these raging haarrmonesss 😆

I wonder if there was there pressure from SP who likes to play it safe and pride themselves on their shows promoting values and morals to make some changes, to tone it down after the media went crazy with reports of bold scenes!! If PMS was such an issue, don't approve the script from PH.

I also wonder if this is it or are they going to show some scenes in flashbacks? If this is it, I hope the various writers of the articles, interviewers who ceaselessly hyped the PMS watched the 'bold and steamy' scene today. 🤣 Honestly, I was not expecting much but this was even less than I was expecting. It did not even come across very sensual IMHO.

I did not like the pati parmeshwar ka charan washing either. Dear Lord.

The Desais seem to forget completely that Guman will be Kumud's mother-in-law. They think she will be happy with Saras, in LN's house!!

Dukhba pay attention to your daughter.

Bechara Gautam really sounded and looked unwell. Loved the way Saras paused before he said '''.. mistake of coming close to you. He is deeply hurt by her attitude.

Pregnancy being the possibility of marriage would be so cliched- I sincerely hope not, just the social stigma of PMS info getting out in public is cause enough for a rushed marriage to Pramad.


Arshiji, aapka post toh bahut popular ho gaya hai. I see so many new members and newbies posting here. Welcome to CB everyone.

Edit - she admits she does not want him to come close to her as she does not want to repeat the same mistake again. She is taking responsibility of loosing control, not blaming Saras.

Edit 2 - Nice parallels between Sejal and her amrud wala's wedding and Samud scenes.

Edited by Infofan - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#19

Originally posted by: Adiani

Arshiji,

Today, even the episode writers would not have been able to defend the episode as well as you did convincingly today.

My sympathies with them! First for disjointed sequence of events .(did anyone make out when was the wedding? Day or night?) secondly for second time this week precap was wrongly shown.


a big execution prblm is gng on...d show...the actors r dng a great job ..but i guess blame on trp game for this mess of each n every sequnces of episode n illogical scenes...

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Jammy-


I couldn't have said it better myself.

I am mad at the way she reacted too... doesn't make sense to me whatsoever!

Her reaction killed me today...I understand if this reaction is her mom's...I get that...but Kumud..aren't you in love with Saras. I can go on and on and write entrie book...I am so mad.

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