Music Lovers vs. HR - Prosecution Case - Page 6

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Mein to biased hoon jadoo ji, judge to unbiased hona chahiye, yeh to sarasar anyay hai. mujhe judge banaoge to dekh lo aap ... yeh to hamari bhi chaal hai, khali shuruat hai defence ko bargalane ki, aap soch lo, bina karan bataye faisla ho jayega, aap phir se soch lo (vaise sirf aapko bata rahi hoon jadoo ji aap mujhe judge mat banao aap haar jaoge)

Originally posted by: Jaadoogar

Judge aap hain, jaise aapne kah dia meri daleel mein dam hai, that means hum case jeet gayen.👏 Shady zaraa jhoom jhoom ho jaye.

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Posted: 19 years ago
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abhi yahi to kaha aapki daleelon mein dam hai par.... yeh to reh gaya aapko isiliye to chupke se bata rahi hoon baki kuch bolne se pehle abhi samay hai, abhi judge appoint hee kahan hue hain, aisa bolo na aap. you will definitely have some chance, trying to help you jadoo ji.

Originally posted by: Jaadoogar

aapka judgement to already aa gaya ke meri daleel mein dam hai.

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: arun_8687

Jaadogar,You have no right to talk about Vinit's upbringing 😡
Such Baseless Accusations are highly Avoidable 😡

Arun.. the upbringing issue was actually raised by me to Jadooji, and let me assure you, I am not pointing a finger at his upbringing.

I simply said that whatever Vinit turns out to be - arrogant or modest, good or bad, kind or cruel - it would be more as a result of his upbringing rather that the effect of his mentor's influence, and the same is the case with any of us.

I'm sure Vinit's parents have left no stone unturned in trying to bring him up well.

Edited by shadyhtown - 19 years ago
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Posted: 19 years ago
#54
Yahaa to maamla pura jam gaya hai... Prosecution and defense - dono ne apne zabardast points daale hai... Par mera sawaal bhi wahi hai, ki judge kaun hai? aur ba tak yeh case kis taraf jhukta nazar aa raha hai? 😛

BTW - great addition to the case Adi... 😆
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Par jadoo ji aap apni baaki daleelien pakki karo tab tak, aisa na ho kab kahan se judge aa tapke aur apka case kacha pad jaye. aajkal kisi ka koi bharosa nahin.

Originally posted by: Jaadoogar

Mujhe deep se poochna hoga kaise adaalat mein case darj karaya ke judge ka hi pata nahin. Yeh case dismiss ho jana chahiye.



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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: deepboy

Here you go with part 3...


4) You are also known for the speed with which you compose.

I am restless. I think I have more than a 1,000 tunes in my song bank. But I also know that unless I have worked on those tunes a lot and they are set to good lyrics, they are not going to be successful. Many people do not know how hard I work. There are many days I work more than 18 hours. I am prepared to work even 24 hours if a particular tune is not working out well to my satisfaction. I will only rest when I am truly satisfied with it.

1000 tunes in his song bank? Well, looking at the extreme similarity of his songs, he will definitely have 1000 tunes in his song bank. Naushad sahab did 67 films in 60 years,and each and every tune of his is immortal and a classic. Most of the great composers took pain to compose a song, and used to have 10 distinctly different tunes ready. There was quality. That's why people like Jatin-Lalit and Shantanu-Moitra and AR Rahman stand out in today's time. They do quality work, not quantity. Moreover, HR has quite a few lifts to his credit in his short career. Will come to that later. That's where people like L-P went wrong. They signed around 300 films a year in the 80s, and it's the most disgusting phase of their music. The same tunes, recycled, the same beats, the same dholak, the same violin and cheap lyrics. L-P had their days of glory but overuse of anything makes you churned and quality degrades.And HR instead of counting the creative L-P counts the repetitive L-P as his inspiration…hmmm.

is baat se main 100% sehmat hoon.all his songs are repititve .sung in the same pitch almost all songs have the same beats those triplets(EG:Naam Tera Tera,Aa Aa Aashiqui)if u ask me they are more suited to curing certain ailments which our vishwanath spoke of in emet😉

5) You have given a break and encouragement to a number of singers including Tulsi Kumar. What are some of the things you tell them?

Being associated with the Sa Re Ga Ma Pa contest has brought me close to many aspiring singers. One of the contestants, Vinit Singh, has sung for me in Rocky. Himani Kapoor is another talented singer. I ask them to listen to the best songs of Lataji (Mangeshkar), Ashaji (Bhosle), Mohammed Rafi, Kishore Kumar and Alkaji (Yagnik). There are many more wonderful singers. I tell the new singers the importance of practice. And I try to inspire today's singers to sing like the legends. I tell them if they cannot emote the notes, if there is no real shruti in the music and singing, the songs just won't appeal. Well, I really don't understand that why if he stresses on practice, did Vinit's singing deteriorate towards the end? And if he wants them to sing like the legends, why is he tiring Vinit and Himani out in Stage Shows rather than putting them through classical training, which is a must for any aspiring singer? And in what context is he using the word Shruti?

Shruti in the carnatic sense = Melody. Well, let's leave that factor out. His songs don't have an element of melody anyway.

Shruti in the Hindsutani Sense = Microtone. The frequencies between two major notes. Between Sa and Re, there are three shrutis, the second of which is the Komal Re, known as a semitone. I don't understand what he means by 'if there's no shruti in the music'. He simply doesn't make any sense there.

if u ask me i think vinit deteriorated in the final stages.though vinit was the best in hr's gharaana he was onnly good in the rafi sonu nigam genre.during the finals he started attepting different songs and so it looked to me as he was deteriorating.i think all hr cares about is money.that's why he's putting vinit and himani in stage shows.as for classical training i dont think hr believes in classical training much.he believes that in the age of tuning its not important to be very correct in sur.some part of his belief must stem from the fact that most of his songs are becoming hits.
6) Anuradha SenGupta: Most of your songs are love songs.

Himesh Reshammiya: I only like doing romantic songs because love is a universal emotion which will work with everyone. Everyone has been in love at least once in his life. There's a difference between a love song and a lust song. I'd categorise most of his songs as Lust songs. Love is a subtle emotion which is never in-your-face. Telling someone 'Jhalak Dikhlaja…ek baar aaja', or 'a a aashiqui mein teri, ja ja jayegi jaan meri..de de dil china town mein', is not love. The tunes are so brash, there's nothing of the soft sensuousness of a love song. Let's have a look at some classic love songs, which truly evoke the Shringara Rasa.



Tere Mere Sapne Ab Ek Rang Hai. SD Burman, Rafi

Paon Chuu Lene Do Phoolon Ko Inayat Hogi. Roshan, Lata-Rafi

Isharon Isharon Mein Dil Lene Wale. OP Nayyar, Asha-Rafi

Pal Pal Dil Ke Paas. Kalyanji-Anandji, Kishoreda

Aapki Nazaron Ne Samjha. Madan Mohan, Lata

Chaudhvin Ka Chand Ho. Ravi, Rafi http://www.musicindiaonline.com/p/x/kqCmaa4xt9.As1NMvHdW/"&a mp;g t;


Chaudhvin Ka Chand Ho. Ravi, Rafi
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/p/x/kqCmaa4xt9.As1NMvHdW/

Sau Baar Janam Lenge. Ravi, Rafi

Ek Haseen Shaam Ko. Madan Mohan, Rafi

Balma Khuli Hawa Mein. OP Nayyar, Asha

Akeli Hoon Main Piya Aa. OP Nayyar, Asha

Jalte Hain Jiske Liye. SD Burman, Talat. One of the MOST sensuous love songs composed

ever.

Pehla Nasha. Jatin-Lalit, Udit.

Piyu Bole. Shantanu Moitra, Sonu-Shreya

Nahin Saamne. ARR, Hariharan.

The major componants of a love song are its lyrics and the melody. Each note of music denotes an emotion. It's imperative that you choose such a raga that has an infusion of the prem bhava, or create a melody that evokes such a feeling. Choosing the right lyrics are important. Telling someone 'Ek Baar Aaja' is more like inviting a whore to your bedroom rather than painting love thru words to your beloved. Similarly, lyrics like – Teri yaadein, teri baatein, tanha raatein, tera tera tera suroor don't make much sense.Infact you dont need a great lyricist to compose them.Someone considering.....
Ek ladki ek ladka aur kamre mein ek bistar..
batti bujhne mein ho gayi der.
O fuc* ise bhi log kehte hain kamaal ki sher.. is erudite enough to compose a tanhaa raate or a tera surooor..

What's the connection between tanha raatein and someone's baatein and their suroor???
hmm yes u got some good songs there at present i think u can add"ek ajnabi haseena se mulaqat ho gayi"by kishoreda.as fotr connection between raatien baatein and surroor they just rhyme that's music for himesh😉😆

most of his songs have no meaning if u ask me.what does aa aa aashiqui mean.i am reminded of a spoof on aap ki kashish

aap ki rubbish

sar pe josh hai

kya gala hai aapka

emraan ka dosh hai😆

now we know why his music sells coz emraan is in those films showing of some of his own skills😉


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While you all try to find an answer to this i will come up with the rest of it.

ps. sorry for not being able to provide all the direct links.But if you get a chance make sure you hear all the songs mention above.They are among the 27 hits for 6 generations at least.

my analysis in bold

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Mujeh is case ta weakest point neutral judge ka milna lagta hai.. As pointed out by Advocate Deep in the opening remarks - we either love him or hate him, so logical neutral h=judge sahab/sahiba kaha se mile?
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Jaya bus wahi to defence ke liye sabse badi jeet lag rahi hai. Na unbiased judge milega na faisla hoga.

Par ek baat batao jaya, aaj ke zamane mein humhe koi prove thode hee karna hai hum unbaised hain, bus faisla de diya aur uske baad koi kuch kahe to phir kanoon ki beizzati kee jaa rahi haiwoh sab...

Originally posted by: jayc1234

Mujeh is case ta weakest point neutral judge ka milna lagta hai.. As pointed out by Advocate Deep in the opening remarks - we either love him or hate him, so logical neutral h=judge sahab/sahiba kaha se mile?

Edited by manjujain - 19 years ago
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Posted: 19 years ago
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*****NO PERSONAL ATTACK OR ABUSIVE WORDS PLEASE*******
Edited by soulsoup - 19 years ago
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Jadoo ji aapne ekdam se quote kar diya mujhe meine dekha mera answer adhora tha complete kiya baad mein. Ab dekho aap.

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