Paresh Rawal - the best guest - Page 8

Originally posted by: chatbuster

regarding proof, sorry doesnt work for me! when offering honest appraisals, is blunt talk the only way? when parents are being positive with kids who are getting off-track with something, are they lying? the boss who is classy enuff to understand the difference between constructive criticism and negative feedback, he is lying? everything is black and white?

Originally posted by: chatbuster

i am not sure i ever said that he is not the best. but is it not fair for someone to suggest that something cld have been better? esp. vis-a-vis negative feedback? is the world just black and white? feedback can only be blunt negative or mindblowingly great? even if it has to be criticism, it cannot be more constructively stated?

Okay based on your comments, it seems you agree that giving an honest opinion is not wrong, but we should give it in a better way - less bluntly, right?

Okay, so let's see. I listened to all of Paresh ji's comments for each of the singers, and I wanted to see how I could make it less 'blunt' and still retain the honesty and not come out as being fake.

Why don't you tell me how Paresh ji could have modified each of his sentences to make them less 'blunt' and still get the same message across. (Please keep in mind that he had only a few seconds to think before giving his comments after listening to the song)

His comments to each of the singers after their respective songs:

Round 1

To BS Accha laga, lekin headphone pehna to kahin kahin laga ki sur mein zara gadbar hai 👎🏼

To SR Chemistry acchi lagi but somehow singing mein utna maza nahi aaya 👎🏼

To UA Very nica, maza aaya, energy thi, maza aaya 👍🏼

Round 2

To BS Very nice, bahot maza aaya, very nice voice quality, drama tha, andaaz tha, very nice 👍🏼

To SR Nice, pehle se accha tha 👍🏼

To UA Mujhe aapka pehla round ka gaana accha laga, abhi utna accha nahi laga 👎🏼

Note that he has given each jodi one positive and one slightly negative remark. So I would expect that he was a very balanced judge. Even his negative comments were cautious and careful. While he is pointing out the bad point, he is also praising. each of his negative comments contain the word accha. And he never directly blames - aapne accha nahi gaya. He simply says thoda gadbar laga ya utna accha nahi laga. He's trying to be honest. You can give him that. And by his tone and words, you can see he was also concerned about their feelings, and tried to put across his honest opinion in the best way possible.

Can you tell me how you would phrase those sentences to be any less 'blunter'?

Wow Shady, you have reported everything verbatim. 👏
Now let me give some positive statements since CB wants it that way. Funny how some people try to see everything in black and white - negative and positive.

To BS: Bahut accha laga. Jab headphone lagaya to aur bhi maza aa gaya! Kya sur paaya hai!

To SR: Chemistry was fantastic. You guys rock, man!

To UA Very nice, maza aaya, energy thi, maza aaya

Round 2

To BS Very nice, bahot maza aaya, very nice voice quality, drama tha, andaaz tha, very nice

To SR: I don't have words to tell you how good you are! You are unbelievable!!

To UA: Aapka pair cast mein hain lekin phir bhi aapne itna achha gaaya!! Wah! Mazaa aa gaya.

Aap sab log itna acchha gaa rahe hain ke I can't decide who is the best. You all are winners!!
Please come and see me in "phir hera pheri" You will enjoy the movie. It is very "hat ke" and I have a special role. God bless you all! 😃

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What a lovely judge, Punjini ji, don't you agree? He was praising everyone, and he loved each and every thing about them. Now I believe there are no flaws in any of the contestants, and they can easily beat Sonu Nigam, Udit Narayan, Alka Yagnik, and Shreya Ghoshal when they come out of this competition and go into Bollywood!

What an adorable guy Paresh ji is. He also specially invited us to watch his movie, and also told us a bit about his role. Now I will definitely go see the movie!! I think he's the best!!

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Originally posted by: shadyhtown

Jadoo.. logical debates are great! But in any debate there are three kinds of people.

One, those who are open-minded, and who ultimately admit they were wrong and agree with the other person on the issue, or part of the issue, and shake hands at the end of the debate.

Two, those who are angry debaters. If they know they've been pinned in the debate, they'll just stop and turn away and refuse to acknowledge you and your argument, rather than admit they were wrong.

Three, those who will never admit defeat. If they've been pinned down by good arguments, they'll come up with different, twisted questions on the same argument, or they may try to deviate to a different issue. Their method is to tire you to such an extent that you finally walk away or admit defeat.

Ab aap khud andaaza lagaao ki yahan kaise type ka debate chal raha hai, and whether it's worth taking part in it or not.

haha... this is on-topic? LOL. remember the famous quote from immediately above?

"Again, off topic. If you want to really delve deeply into the issue of word limits, time limits, etc, you can open up a brand new thread for that. As far as I am concerned, this thread clearly states "Paresh Rawal" and he is what I will focus on."

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we remember what others say, but forget what we say? so soon? 😕😉

Originally posted by: Jaadoogar

Here is home work for tonight:

How can you say that feedback was negative?

What is the difference between positive feedback, negative feedback and just feedback?

Once you come up with the classification of feedback then modify your question, And we will discuss this tomorrow.

Your simple question is not as simple as it looks. This questrion is itself debateable.

Then we will finalise the agenda and will discuss point by point but you should be on the point too. No unrelated example to prove something, debate itself has its rule and regulation, and all these things do not need the knowledge of rocket science.

yaar, if u are seriously searching for understanding on these burning questions, toh kya advise doon? introductory book on Interpersonal Skills or Public Speaking? 😛😆

Originally posted by: chatbuster

haha... this is on-topic? LOL. remember the famous quote from immediately above?

"Again, off topic. If you want to really delve deeply into the issue of word limits, time limits, etc, you can open up a brand new thread for that. As far as I am concerned, this thread clearly states "Paresh Rawal" and he is what I will focus on."

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we remember what others say, but forget what we say? so soon? 😕😉

This is a debate? I didn't realize I was debating with Jadoo. 😕

It was simple advice to him - a one-on-one. I was replying to his comment about logical debates.

The debate is still very much about Paresh Rawal.

let's sort it out amongst ourselves as to what we want.

to quote Punjini: "We are looking at something from our own viewpoints and communicating to each other - take it or leave it." - that does not seem like a debate to me. seems more like discussion.

in my opinion, others on this thread - Shady, Jadoo- have made various references to debate/ debator/ debating. well, what is it? as far as i've seen, most debates are structured with equal air-time for both sides. if someone runs up 30% according to someone's page count, that still leaves 70% to the other side. no? also, let me know if we count "log-in" time. it's not a level-playing field if some cannot log in countless hours to respond. finally, cant have all and sundry pipe in with their applause lines etc. Doesn't seem to me that these are worthwhile conditions to put on a discussion forum.

in any case, let's be consistent. theek hai?

Originally posted by: shadyhtown

Okay based on your comments, it seems you agree that giving an honest opinion is not wrong, but we should give it in a better way - less bluntly, right?

Okay, so let's see. I listened to all of Paresh ji's comments for each of the singers, and I wanted to see how I could make it less 'blunt' and still retain the honesty and not come out as being fake.

Why don't you tell me how Paresh ji could have modified each of his sentences to make them less 'blunt' and still get the same message across. (Please keep in mind that he had only a few seconds to think before giving his comments after listening to the song)

His comments to each of the singers after their respective songs:

Round 1

To BS Accha laga, lekin headphone pehna to kahin kahin laga ki sur mein zara gadbar hai 👎🏼

To SR Chemistry acchi lagi but somehow singing mein utna maza nahi aaya 👎🏼

To UA Very nica, maza aaya, energy thi, maza aaya 👍🏼

Round 2

To BS Very nice, bahot maza aaya, very nice voice quality, drama tha, andaaz tha, very nice 👍🏼

To SR Nice, pehle se accha tha 👍🏼

To UA Mujhe aapka pehla round ka gaana accha laga, abhi utna accha nahi laga 👎🏼

Note that he has given each jodi one positive and one slightly negative remark. So I would expect that he was a very balanced judge. Even his negative comments were cautious and careful. While he is pointing out the bad point, he is also praising. each of his negative comments contain the word accha. And he never directly blames - aapne accha nahi gaya. He simply says thoda gadbar laga ya utna accha nahi laga. He's trying to be honest. You can give him that. And by his tone and words, you can see he was also concerned about their feelings, and tried to put across his honest opinion in the best way possible.

Can you tell me how you would phrase those sentences to be any less 'blunter'?

haha... now we have transcripts entering the scene. poora court-room jaise, no? LOL

btw, paresh se poocha? whether he wants to have this evidence placed before the court? if u ask me, case "bigad" sakta hai. anyway, pooch toh le 😛😆

Originally posted by: shadyhtown

This is a debate? I didn't realize I was debating with Jadoo. 😕

It was simple advice to him - a one-on-one. I was replying to his comment about logical debates.

The debate is still very much about Paresh Rawal.

one-on-one with Jadoo in a Paresh Rawal thread?😕 major pronouncements about debaters? all that is on-topic?😕

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Originally posted by: chatbuster

haha... now we have transcripts entering the scene. poora court-room jaise, no? LOL

btw, paresh se poocha? whether he wants to have this evidence placed before the court? if u ask me, case "bigad" sakta hai. anyway, pooch toh le 😛😆

Yes now transcripts enter the scene, because we need facts.. these are Paresh's own words.. I've got them from the video of the episode.. and no, Paresh se nahi poocha.. waise bhi Paresh se pooch ke hum yeh debate to nahi kar rahe hai na.. 😉

So you still didn't answer the question? How should Paresh have modified that to make it less blunt and still get his honest point across? 😃