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Originally posted by: mesoran

Pundits like Ummm enlighten us abt Hemu's Vande mataram song..When was he offf the sur,Would it have been better if sungby Rajeev or any other singer?

And also clarify us How ID giving 5 to Hemu Karma song was justified?(Forgetting lyrics),where as Vinit deserves 9 for chale chalo even after forgetting lyrics by ur GOD ID

Hi Mesoran... as I have mentioned before, according to me, it is not easy to catch Hema going out of sur unless it is a blunderous offkey mistake. Please listen to the song very very carefully and you'll probably be able to notice that. It is more evident in the "Vande Mataram" lines in the beginning of the song and towards the end.

The one superb thing about Rajiv's singing is that he is extremely comfortable singing very high notes and his voice still maintains its "good weight" at high notes. You might have noticed the ease with which he sang "Rang De Basanti" song. I believe he could have carried off the higher range notes of Vande Mataram with relative ease. At the same time, we've never heard him sing really low range notes, and Vande Mataram song has those. Without knowing how he does on lower notes, I, for one, cannot speculate whether he could have done better than Hema on this song.

Regarding Karma song.. please refer to the following thread: http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=193103&T PN=4

ummm, being untrained in music i still have sureeela ears. Hema was perfectly in sur in Mitwa or for the matter any other song. On the other hand it was very easy for Vineet to go out of sur on low notes and scream on top of his voice on higher notes which is so unpleasent to hear. But still after u accuse our dear Hemu of loosing sur on Mitwa i had to hear the original to see what u were refering to , even though its not required to refer to original when a person goes out of sur. But to my surprise i really dint like the way it sounded in Udith ji ki voice. I liked Hema's version so much better and so soothing. And please, stop giving ur own meaning to sur just to prove Hema went off sur.
And about the great ID being soooo fair, i agree with amrita.

The biggest problem I see with the mento-meters is that it NEVER took into account the difficulty of a song.

Agreed that one of Vinit's strong points was maintain SUR. But his taal has been off sometimes, he has missed lyrics, he has had flat low notes, he screams at high notes, (Not trying to bash him, but trying to make a point)but still gets nothing less than 9. Eventhough the song itself was quite an easy one.

But for some reason, when Hema makes subtle errors, they pounce on him, and take that opportunity to rip him apart by giving him low scores. 8 or 5.

A 9 for an easy song and a 9 for a difficult song seems unfair if they are both equally executed.

People are influenced by the mento meter in decided whether someone performed well or not.

Mento-meters points should have been alloted based on:
Difficulty - 2 points
Sur/Taal - 5 points
Diction - 1 points
Lyrics - 1 points
Touched the heart factor - 1 point (this is only when they get a perfect 10

I think missing lyrics should not be penalized heavily. In the old SRGMP, contestants were permitted to 'lalala' the lyrics if they didn't know them. If they 'lalala'ed in SUR, that was all that mattered.

Originally posted by: parineetha

ummm, being untrained in music i still have sureeela ears. Hema was perfectly in sur in Mitwa or for the matter any other song. On the other hand it was very easy for Vineet to go out of sur on low notes and scream on top of his voice on higher notes which is so unpleasent to hear. But still after u accuse our dear Hemu of loosing sur on Mitwa i had to hear the original to see what u were refering to , even though its not required to refer to original when a person goes out of sur. But to my surprise i really dint like the way it sounded in Udith ji ki voice. I liked Hema's version so much better and so soothing. And please, stop giving ur own meaning to sur just to prove Hema went off sur.
And about the great ID being soooo fair, i agree with amrita.

And he also used to miss on the Laya. And he was given 10 by all the mentors. These 3 are like 3 mokeys who dint want to see,tell or hear the truth.

Originally posted by: parineetha

ummm, being untrained in music i still have sureeela ears. Hema was perfectly in sur in Mitwa or for the matter any other song. On the other hand it was very easy for Vineet to go out of sur on low notes and scream on top of his voice on higher notes which is so unpleasent to hear. But still after u accuse our dear Hemu of loosing sur on Mitwa i had to hear the original to see what u were refering to , even though its not required to refer to original when a person goes out of sur. But to my surprise i really dint like the way it sounded in Udith ji ki voice. I liked Hema's version so much better and so soothing. And please, stop giving ur own meaning to sur just to prove Hema went off sur.
And about the great ID being soooo fair, i agree with amrita.

Parineetha, I have every right to -

(1) Form my opinions

(2) Speak my opinions,

(3) And stick to my opinions as long as I believe in them (and haven't been convinced to change them).

It is totally fine and cool if you don't agree with me.😃

At least I am not blinded by anybody's "fan-ship" when I come up with my opinions. 😉😃

Mento-meters points should have been alloted based on:
Difficulty - 2 points
Sur/Taal - 5 points
Diction - 1 points
Lyrics - 1 points
Touched the heart factor - 1 point (this is only when they get a perfect 10

If this system was adopted, Vineet and Himani would've gotten a lot more 8s than 10s atleast due to the Difficulty factor.

Originally posted by: ab_srgmp

Mento-meters points should have been alloted based on:
Difficulty - 2 points
Sur/Taal - 5 points
Diction - 1 points
Lyrics - 1 points
Touched the heart factor - 1 point (this is only when they get a perfect 10

If this system was adopted, Vineet and Himani would've gotten a lot more 8s than 10s atleast due to the Difficulty factor.

That's a great point! But this system still does not factor in "versatality". Probably, they should all have been tested on "classical" songs in one round, folk in the other, comic songs in the third, sad in the fourth, new-age songs in the fifth and so on.

Originally posted by: ummm

That's a great point! But this system still does not factor in "versatality". Probably, they should all have been tested on "classical" songs in one round, folk in the other, comic songs in the third, sad in the fourth, new-age songs in the fifth and so on.

Other than the classical round, I thought they had all the other rounds?

Originally posted by: ab_srgmp

Other than the classical round, I thought they had all the other rounds?

You are right.. I remember the qawwali and probably a romantic songs episode. But I can't seem to recall any other themed episodes.

There was one with comedy songs, but it was not a "dedicated" comedy episode. For eg, in that episode, Vineet sang "aake seedhi padi", but only mukhda which was repeated a few times. He did not sing the stanza. I don't remember if the contestants were evaluated on those songs.

They did do many "composer-based" episodes though.

The topic is not closed. Why does the subject say that?

Ummmm, they did have a folk round on the day of the walkout. They had a sad songs round on the day of Nihira's elimination.

They had a RD burman round, and Laxmikant-Pyarelal round, in terms of composers.