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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Bhaskar.T



A lift is a lift. Simple. Yes none can beat Pritam when it comes to lifting, he has broken all records but as far as this song goes its the same too. Using the word Recreated will not help the original composer. If he really felt so much he should have given the due credit too. Its just that now a new term will get coined in the subject of plagiarism.

I agree with Summer. They will do nothing. The amount would be cut down and some deal stuck. Reason why plagiarism is not stopping. Someone need to really take a strong step to show the path to others so that others can follow the same.



Well the guy who is trying to sue Himmy is not the original composer himself. And in India usually the music company is allowed to "re-create" their own song. So that's why I said it is better than what Pritam does.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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When one focuses on quantity, quality suffers and is compromised.
Also maral values and standards have been lowered by many. Find easy way out. Want over night success and do not want to put hard work. Want instanteneous sucess and money.
In few profession I have noticed this often.
At the end of the day no wonder why we have sub standard reality based talent shows. They all are into making money. No one cares for true talent.
There are many aspiring talent but teachers are not making them work hard. Pupil need teachers who have very high standards or it does not work. Not many role models around. 😳
Most mentors say no one can sing like Rafi saab, KK, LM or AB etc. No one wants to work hard at reaching those levels or standards. Fear of failing or no time to waste.
These are my personal views. This are the reasons bollywood has many plagiarists and mediocre MDs and singers.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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In last week's episode on the court case and prosecution they should have charged both Pritamji and HImeshji for plagiarism and let them defend themselves. Ha Ha, my Tamasha Queen would have put this in the script. 😆😆😆
But she is out of action.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: shehzaadi91



If that's the case then how do you explain lifts by RD Burman, LP, Shankar Jaikishan etc. were they not trained?

About ARR he has also lifted before. Oh humdum suniyo re is lifted. And SEL recently did a song called "move your body". In that song there was a line "doob ja mere pyaar mein" and the tune of that line was lifted.

SEL's doob ja is based on hidustani padhati of vocal practice called Lehraa, it is not a lift, regards SEL if you have any doubt you can ask them directly on lifekidhun.com where Ehsaan replies himself.

Time has changed 😊

A lift 30-40 years back would go unnoticed but internet has made information available freely, so any inspiration or lift is bound to be tracked soon, in this era we are going to see much more court cases over plagiarism.

I don't give a lot of credit to itowfs for the simple reason that many at times there so called lift doesnt match, it says pakkathey (Gentleman) is a lift of keleley, but when some confronted him that this sounds similar to Carnatic raga Mohanam, no reply came. There are many examples like this where people are going overboard these days.

Somehow Himesh doesn't get due credit from intellectuals and critics and this is one reason why he gets bashed for small reason. As Kailash Kher says unka sangeet intellectuals ko suhata nahi hai. I was watching javed Akhtar on Coffee with Karan and he said that Himesh's music is liked by teen agers and lower middle class(I'll post the link) only. I think this is a area where only training in Hindustani and Western classical will help, it does help a lot.

Look at son of Chitragupta, Anand (of Anand-Milind) and Dilip sen-Sameer sen, despite being sons of big musicians they couldn't make it big because of lack of training.



Edited by Indradhanush - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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After reading all this i have decided to answer all the question which you people have in your mind.

Before Indian media did I have said that himesh is not registerd as Music Director for this song but he is registered as a Music Recreator. Now my news is conformed by non another than himesh .
What is Diffrence Between Music Director and Music Recreator.
Well if you have registerd yourself as Music Director than you are claiming that the song belongs to you. If you are registerd as Music Recreator than you are not taking credit of composing the song. In Simple language You are saying that the song is not composed by you only you have rearanged it. Even in the promo of this song and Ek hasina Thi you wont find Himesh name as a Music Director.
Does Music Recreation comes under plagiarism
Plagiarism is the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work.
This is the defination of plagiarism and above I have said himesh have not taken credit of the song so he is not a plagiarmist.
Does he has rights to use this song as a Music Recreator.
Kulvinder Kally has sung this song for album of T Series and hence T Series has the copyrights of this song. Till date T Series has never used any clause such as the song cannot be reused and sung by any another singer in their contarct . So T Series has Rights to use this song anywhere they like. Recently you must have heard that T Series is using their old song Ek Do Teen( mudhuri dixit number ) in one more film as the song's audio visual rights are with T Series. Same way here Audio video rightsof this song lies with T Series.
What About the Legal Notice and the Case
Well its very Simple first Mr. Kally needs to prove himesh is a plagiarmist and as I said Himesh has already daid he is not claimed to be a composer of this song. Kally will mot able to prove that. Tseries had audio visual rights of Sham Waali Gaddi so T Series can claim thay have proper authority to use this song.
If still any Queries do Write I will Try to answer it all.
At the end I will again Repeat the same thing which I have said earlier that in"you are Innocent until and Unless you are proved Gulity". If Himesh is said to be guilty by the court of law only than think him as gulity till now he is innocent.
Edited by vijaykkk - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: RUSmart

Shame Shame Himesh Reshamiya.

Resign as judge from the show as soon as possible before someone insults you on your face.

Without knowing the truth such comment are baseless. Belive me himesh has not taken credit for this song and never claimed that the song belongs to him . T Series has copyrights of the song so the conterversy will end right there.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Indradhanush

SEL's doob ja is based on hidustani padhati of vocal practice called Lehraa, it is not a lift, regards SEL if you have any doubt you can ask them directly on lifekidhun.com where Ehsaan replies himself.

Time has changed 😊

A lift 30-40 years back would go unnoticed but internet has made information available freely, so any inspiration or lift is bound to be tracked soon, in this era we are going to see much more court cases over plagiarism.

I don't give a lot of credit to itowfs for the simple reason that many at times there so called lift doesnt match, it says pakkathey (Gentleman) is a lift of keleley, but when some confronted him that this sounds similar to Carnatic raga Mohanam, no reply came. There are many examples like this where people are going overboard these days.

Somehow Himesh doesn't get due credit from intellectuals and critics and this is one reason why he gets bashed for small reason. As Kailash Kher says unka sangeet intellectuals ko suhata nahi hai. I was watching javed Akhtar on Coffee with Karan and he said that Himesh's music is liked by teen agers and lower middle class(I'll post the link) only. I think this is a area where only training in Hindustani and Western classical will help, it does help a lot.

Look at son of Chitragupta, Anand (of Anand-Milind) and Dilip sen-Sameer sen, despite being sons of big musicians they couldn't make it big because of lack of training.



Quite true. Persons like me who is untrained in music like to listen to Himeshji songs.
But I must say that he has plenty of soul and feel.
But Himeshji getting bashed was more for his controvertial behavious in the previous SRGMP episodes. This time round he is completely quiet, which is not good for TRPs; he has fallen in love with someone or himself.😆
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: vijaykkk

After reading all this i have decided to answer all the question which you people have in your mind.

Before Indian media did I have said that himesh is not registerd as Music Director for this song but he is registered as a Music Recreator. Now my news is conformed by non another than himesh .
What is Diffrence Between Music Director and Music Recreator.
Well if you have registerd yourself as Music Director than you are claiming that the song belongs to you. If you are registerd as Music Recreator than you are not taking credit of composing the song. In Simple language You are saying that the song is not composed by you only you have rearanged it. Even in the promo of this song and Ek hasina Thi you wont find Himesh name as a Music Director.
Does Music Recreation comes under plagiarism
Plagiarism is the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work.
This is the defination of plagiarism and above I have said himesh have not taken credit of the song so he is not a plagiarmist.
Does he has rights to use this song as a Music Recreator.
Kulvinder Kally has sung this song for album of T Series and hence T Series has the copyrights of this song. Till date T Series has never used any clause such as the song cannot be reused and sung by any another singer in their contarct . So T Series has Rights to use this song anywhere they like. Recently you must have heard that T Series is using their old song Ek Do Teen( mudhuri dixit number ) in one more film as the song's audio visual rights are with T Series. Same way here Audio video rightsof this song lies with T Series.
What About the Legal Notice and the Case
Well its very Simple first Mr. Kally needs to prove himesh is a plagiarmist and as I said Himesh has already daid he is not claimed to be a composer of this song. Kally will mot able to prove that. Tseries had audio visual rights of Sham Waali Gaddi so T Series can claim thay have proper authority to use this song.
If still any Queries do Write I will Try to answer it all.
At the end I will again Repeat the same thing which I have said earlier that in"you are Innocent until and Unless you are proved Gulity". If Himesh is said to be guilty by the court of law only than think him as gulity till now he is innocent.

Thanks to Vijay Research Lab.😊
Frankly I am glad Himeshji revived some of the dying songs and tunes.
He has sung the song very well. Superb, Mind blowing , History !😆
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Himesh does not require any training he is good in what he does. His tone quality is such that it does not suits many songs. Even if Kailash Kher is been told to sing any of himesh song he will not able to do justice to himesh song forget about himesh song imagine him singing Ek hasina thi will his voice will match to Kishore Da. But himesh has guts atleast he tried it as a challenge. Main thing is sales of music CD's and DVD. and himesh's Cd and DVD are sold like Hot cakes.Apart from That Today which Music Composer Can Romance or do Action Sequence like himesh. Which music composer has ablity to face camera and give a super hit movie. Everyone has diffrent quality and diffrent skill. Himesh is diffrent from Kailash Kher, ARR and SEL you can't compare them they all are best in their own terms.

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Bhaskar.T

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Hats off to Himesh for creating this new word for lifting tunes. 😆 So now no problem. Anyone can lift them note by note and put down this word. 😆😆😆 This is the perfect example of "Choori aur Seena Jori".

Music Recreation is not a new word thare many be many examples of it but we hardly come to know.Especially when Music company buys a copyrights from other company and the composer Re-arranges the tune he register himself as Music Recreator and not as music Director as the tune is not composed by him. For Example Pretty Women song used in Kal ho Na ho its actuall rights if was bought by Drama Production than SEL has been registerd theselves as music Recreator and not as Music composer for this song. This case is also same only thing is that T series does not need to buy rights from other company as they already has copy rights of the song.
Edited by vijaykkk - 16 years ago

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