why South India has poor representation in SRGM? - Page 5

Originally posted by: Indradhanush

All in Bold are note by note copy of Indonesian/Korean songs.

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Originally posted by: Indradhanush

A R Rehman : Tamil vs Hindi compositions

I remember an interview by Mahalaxmi Iyer where she was saying that while recording for Dil se for the song paakhi paakhi pardesi , in the recording room Rehman kept promouncing it as Paaki (not Paakhi), later on I read some where that Tamil has many syllables which end on staccato notes while Hindi doesn't: it has unwritten halant .

It's actually more complicated than that. The phonetic inventory of the Tamil language does not have the usual 5 part series for consonants (eg. t-th-d-dh-n or p-ph-b-bh-m) as are found in Indo-Aryan languages. In fact, it has no aspirates (th, dh, ph, bh, etc) at all, and in many words unvoiced and voiced consonants (e.g. k vs g, p vs b, etc) alternate depending on syllable position. A native Tamil speaker would not normally be able to pronounce Paakhi naturally -- it would come out as paaki (or even baaki!)

Originally posted by: Anuradha

Yes there is definitely a problem with the accent.. There is no question about it.. It's again the perspective that matters.. Each one of us prefer listening to certain type of songs.. The North Based people wouldn't like to hear to the south Indian accent, but while people like me dont really mind it.. Anyways, let the south Indian singers remain where they are now and Im sure they have got their dues..

It is no necessity that they participate in SRGMP, they have other platforms as well to showcase their talent.. Ya its sure that they will get unnoticed by the mainstream Bollywood, but when people dont prefer listening to them, then its better they lend their voice to those songs which are appreciated...

the king does not agree. if ar rahman was satisfied wid south indian film industry as he got popularity it wud have been a loss 2 the north. similarly the south singers too shud not b satisfied wid only singing in south. they need 2 participate in srgmp as they get access more no. of audince. however if they sing in tamil or telugu its very limited. any artist will like it whn he is noticed n appreciated by more people. it will give him the zeal 2 become better n improve.

another issue is not all south idian singers r inclined 2wards classical music, yes the king agrees they r initially trained in classical not don give mportance only 2 them. SPB who is one of south'd greatest ever singer did not have any formal training in music whn he started singing. he himself stated in an interview.

many people r speaking abt accent here. the king wud like 2 clarify tht none of the MD"s of today r bothered both correct pronounciation n accent. on a lighter vein where are the lyrics ever heard amogst the loud msic which easily overcomes the lyrics of the song. another point is most of the songs have half the words in english nowadays. gone r the adys of pure urdu n hindi frnds.

*king*

Originally posted by: knightInPassion

Not really. No big loss. In a big country like ours, no one is indispensable or missed for long. Never liked the Roja type of song baggage he brought along with him.😊

Mr. Jadoo actually makes great points. Would you really enjoy hearing your South Indian music in, say, a Chinese accent? 😛 You are also bringing up Yesudas. For all his talent, he never made it as big as the others. From what i understand, he was just a singer on the fringe of things. At the end of the day, it is such a competitive industry that you need to get everything right to survive for a long time.

You are also wrong about english being half the words. It's still a country where we understand mostly hindi. In any event, that might be true for Punjabi words (not that i care for it), but certainly not english. It's a shame in any case if urdu or hindi are out. They are languages that make for sweeter sounding music, not guttural ones.😉

this may be ur personal opinion my frd but the whole country is swaying 2 his tunes rgt frm roja 2 jaane tu. do u think lagaan or jodha akbar had any south effect in it. in the same vein now vishal-shekhar r providing music 2 a telugu movie. arr's swades song gives goosebmps whn u hear. do u think its a south idian singing whn u her tht. if u fel like tht its juzz a pschological feling thts all.

I kind of agree with knighInPassion about pronunciation. Even though South Indians have amazing classical training, they usually have trouble with Hindi, of course with exceptions like NC Karunya. But in general, South Indians are not too enthusiastic about Hindi music and probably the lack of participation in previous auditions and lack of votes from the region discouraged zee to go back there.

Originally posted by: Jaadoogar

I do not think it is lack of vote, over all they always got votes. Whenever a good singers come from south he/she has been appreciated by Hindi music lovers. Karuniya reached final of II, Hema reached top 4, Irfan reached top 4 or 5 in ASVOI. If they are good they will be voted by everybody. Take the case of Maharashtra, singer from Maharashtra always get eliminated before singers from South, like Meenal and Ameya eliminated before Karuniya, Nihira eliminated before Hema. But still singers from Maharashtra keep participating. Yes, in final vote gets polarized and people from participant city take pride in supporting their own contestant. And it is also obvious everybody can not reach final.

I meant that there are less votes from the "South zone", not just for South Indian participants but for the show in general. Karunya and Hemachandra were popular all over India, and got many votes from all over. I am North Indian and have mostly North Indian friends but all my friends and relatives loved both of them and voted for them alot also. But really, the interest for Hindi reality shows is very rare in the South as Anuradhaji has mentioned that they have their own shows that are more classical based and so appeal to their interests more.

Originally posted by: arayq2

It's actually more complicated than that. The phonetic inventory of the Tamil language does not have the usual 5 part series for consonants (eg. t-th-d-dh-n or p-ph-b-bh-m) as are found in Indo-Aryan languages. In fact, it has no aspirates (th, dh, ph, bh, etc) at all, and in many words unvoiced and voiced consonants (e.g. k vs g, p vs b, etc) alternate depending on syllable position. A native Tamil speaker would not normally be able to pronounce Paakhi naturally -- it would come out as paaki (or even baaki!)

I liked the song but I am not sure that the masses would get past the language barrier. Good classical parts and catchy. Good fusion.