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@aneek paul

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Posted: 17 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: Anuradha

I love watching this show... 😊 I do understand a little bit of malayalam and watch it so I can hear to some good music 😊

For me one of the finest musical reality show contestant came from south India and he is none other than Karunya.

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*king*

@*king*

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Posted: 17 years ago

#12

sorry mr.jadoo the king does not agree wid u. the king himself is frm blore n well versed in kannada,telugu n tamil.

Originally posted by: Jaadoogar
There are many reasons:
1. Language difference, they might be comfortable in singing their language but not in Hindi. Actually in Hindi movie, it is not only hindi but urdu also needed to be polished. How many singers from south or any region or language will give so so much extra effort to learn completely different language. language diff is not an issue at all. SPB has sung many songs in hindi u can't point out at his language. so has vani jayaram n ar rahman. shankar mahadevan again a south-indian. if u consider the mjor cities in south like blore, hyd etc its multi-linguistic. most people can speak hindi well. sonu nigam, udit, asha ji mohd rafi saab all have sung in south movies. in bollywood or any movie industry no1 sees how well a singer can pronounce. they write it down n sing it. it is the job of the MD n lyricist 2 c tht the singer pronounces properly. the king is frm the film fraternity in south n he knows how much weightage our makers give 4 language which is laughable.

2. Hindi music audience choice is entirely different than South Indian music audience choice. SP Bala Subraminiam is very successful in south but not in Hindi, even one of the most accomplished singer like Hariharan could not get success in bollywood. To me he is best singer in India technically. But voice texture does not suit to bollywood actors much. the king din understand how hindi music audience is so entirely diff frm south idian. there umpteen no. of songs which have been in both hindi n telugu. 2 name a few

baar baar dekho
aaja tujhko pukare
khilthe hain gul yahaan n many many more.

ARR was noticed all over india bcoz of roja which was a tamil film originally. the music was a hit all over india. so was bombay. now lets take jaane tum.... a recent movie. the music was appreciated even in the south. SPB came 2 bollywood at the later stages of his career whn others were competing against him. b4 tht he neva had the time sing in hindi as he was busy in all south languages. as 4 hariharan he was not successful even in south too. mahalaksmi iyer is again a south indian. wht abt kavitha krishnamurthy. doesn't there voice suit the bollywood actresses.

3. What applies for Bollywood music apply for reality show based on bollywood song too.

many think south indians wear flashy clothes n dance senselessly even now in their movies. no even south movies n music is as compititive as bollywood. so many youngsters even sing international eng songs let aloane bollywood songs. hence they can easily sing in reality shows too.

4. Saying regional show is better than Saregamapa is just perception, choice and where you belong. Although I always accepted Hemachandra was one of the best singer on reality show technically but I never like his voice texture and diction, because I grew up listening hindi/urdu song. His diction and voice may be best suited for South Indian movie but not for Hindi music. That is why he could not sing a single song in bollywood.

the king dos not say the talent shows in south r better than in hindi but 1 gud thing abt them is most of them have no audience voting. maybe now even they mite have introduced as the king has not seen the shows since past 2 yrs as he is not in india. again the king reiterates its not rgt 2 say voice texture of hemachandra or hariharan does not suit bollywood. v have well known south singers who have made a mark in bollywood.

5. I do not think singers from South or other region do not want to compete in these shows, to compete in these show they have to put lot of extra effort. Whoever felt can compete in these reality shows have definitely participated. Recent example is Rithisha in ASVOI, she is a brilliant singer.

the king agrees wid u here. the singers frm south too r interested. but the extra effort has 2 b put by every1 not juzz them.

6. Channels always tried to bring singers from south but they could not find good fit for their requirement. For example, ASVOI tried to get singers from all states, but could not get any good singer except Rithisha. So, we can not blame channel for ignoring those states because of lack of viewers and votes.

now please don tell the king ritisha is the only singer who can sing in hindi. how credible r these selections is a big question. the king can give links 2 loads of videos where there r sigers of ritisha's calibre if not better. hence plz don say she is the only singer. there is a population of atleast30 crores there.

the king juzz wanted 2 state his views. thank u

Edited by *king* - 17 years ago

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*king*

@*king*

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Posted: 17 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: aneek paul

For me one of the finest musical reality show contestant came from south India and he is none other than Karunya.

the king surprisingly agrees wid u.

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Dabulls23

@Dabulls23

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Posted: 17 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: *king*
sorry mr.jadoo the king does not agree wid u. the king himself is frm blore n well versed in kannada,telugu n tamil.

language diff is not an issue at all. SPB has sung many songs in hindi u can't point out at his language. so has vani jayaram n ar rahman. shankar mahadevan again a south-indian. if u consider the mjor cities in south like blore, hyd etc its multi-linguistic. most people can speak hindi well. sonu nigam, udit, asha ji mohd rafi saab all have sung in south movies. in bollywood or any movie industry no1 sees how well a singer can pronounce. they write it down n sing it. it is the job of the MD n lyricist 2 c tht the singer pronounces properly. the king is frm the film fraternity in south n he knows how much weightage our makers give 4 language which is laughable.

the king din understand how hindi music audience is so entirely diff frm south idian. there umpteen no. of songs which have been in both hindi n telugu. 2 name a few

baar baar dekho
aaja tujhko pukare
khilthe hain gul yahaan n many many more.

ARR was noticed all over india bcoz of roja which was a tamil film originally. the music was a hit all over india. so was bombay. now lets take jaane tum.... a recent movie. the music was appreciated even in the south. SPB came 2 bollywood at the later stages of his career whn others were competing against him. b4 tht he neva had the time sing in hindi as he was busy in all south languages. as 4 hariharan he was not successful even in south too. mahalaksmi iyer is again a south indian. wht abt kavitha krishnamurthy. doesn't there voice suit the bollywood actresses.

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many think south indians wear flashy clothes n dance senselessly even now in their movies. no even south movies n music is as compititive as bollywood. so many youngsters even sing international eng songs let aloane bollywood songs. hence they can easily sing in reality shows too.

4.
the king dos not say the talent shows in south r better than in hindi but 1 gud thing abt them is most of them have no audience voting. maybe now even they mite have introduced as the king has not seen the shows since past 2 yrs as he is not in india. again the king reiterates its not rgt 2 say voice texture of hemachandra or hariharan does not suit bollywood. v have well known south singers who have made a mark in bollywood.

5.

the king agrees wid u here. the singers frm south too r interested. but the extra effort has 2 b put by every1 not juzz them.

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now please don tell the king ritisha is the only singer who can sing in hindi. how credible r these selections is a big question. the king can give links 2 loads of videos where there r sigers of ritisha's calibre if not better. hence plz don say she is the only singer. there is a population of atleast30 crores there.

the king juzz wanted 2 state his views. thank u

Kingji thank you for explaining your thoughts in detail 👏 So in agreement with you.

To add Many other regions have issues with diction and pronounciation. IE. Bengali, Gujarati, Marathi, Punjabi or any southern language. If Hindi-Urdu is not their mother tongue than diction can be issue but it is manageable. Something can be learned-trained.

Shanker of SEL had mentioned that during last years SRGM Zee marathi that Zee Marathi or regional SRGMP had better singers with higher standard than reg. SRGMP. Not my own opinion here. I am stating something I saw-heard.

Edited by Dabulls23 - 17 years ago

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*king*

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Posted: 17 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: Jaadoogar

Thanks for your views... Two views are not necessarily to be same. My view is based on what I feel on listening a singer. I always feel difference when I listen to Hariharan or SPB than I listen to Sonu or Sukhvinder. Even I feel difference in music composer's work too. I saw 4 singers from ASVOI, only Ritisha was South Indian. Ssinger from Kerala and Tamil Nadu were Bengali, and Andhra it is Dias, who was from UAE last year. So, if ASVOI could have got good original singers from 3 states then there was no need to make the things up. I am not saying Ritisha is the best from those places because I do not know about other, but I can say Ritisha is the best from south suited for these shows which is based on Hindi song otherwise I would have seen many many contestants from south.

no probs. its ur pov. the king respects it. but he still sticks 2 wht he said. anyway interesting pov frm ur side.😊

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@*king*

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Posted: 17 years ago

#16

@ jadoogar: but the king wud like 2 tell u 1 thing. SPB or hariharan r not the sole representatives of south indian music fraternity. do u fel the same abt shankar mahadevan, kavita krishnamurthy, ar rahman etc. the king thinks whn these people sing its as fluent n gud as sonu or sukhwinder.

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200467

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Posted: 17 years ago

#17

Most Southindian singers have a tremor in their voice along with the accent. I hope you guys get what I am trying to say. Listen to dil hai chhota sa, chhoti si asha and you'll know what I mean. The song is hummable and is beautiful composition but I feel the southindian touch is too prominent. Listen to Yesudas and you'll know for sure what I'm trying to say here.

No doubt most southindian singers are classically trained and are pretty good singers. Still, kanon ko kuchh missing sa lagta hai when you listen to them. But accents etc are fixable if one has the zeal.

Exceptions are every where. We do have Kavita Krishnamurthy whose singing does not have any accent but I find her voice too shrilly and sharp at times.

My favorite southindian singer is Hemchandra....despite his accent etc. I just love his voice😊

Why South is poorly represented - because it's not good for TRPs and sms voting as that region does not even support their own when it comes to a hindi program. Bad investment for a hindi channel.

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Anuradha Ravi

@Anuradha

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Posted: 17 years ago

#18

Yes there is definitely a problem with the accent.. There is no question about it.. It's again the perspective that matters.. Each one of us prefer listening to certain type of songs.. The North Based people wouldn't like to hear to the south Indian accent, but while people like me dont really mind it.. Anyways, let the south Indian singers remain where they are now and Im sure they have got their dues..

It is no necessity that they participate in SRGMP, they have other platforms as well to showcase their talent.. Ya its sure that they will get unnoticed by the mainstream Bollywood, but when people dont prefer listening to them, then its better they lend their voice to those songs which are appreciated...

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Indradhanush

@Indradhanush

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Posted: 17 years ago

#19

It is welll known Lata and many others (like Manna da, Kavita K_took urdu classes

Author : Raju Bharatan

Reproduced by : Ajay Nerurkar The recycled article that follows makes clear how Lata perfected
her Urdu diction, so much so that Naushad, himself a more than
competent speaker of that language and a stickler in such matters
picked her for Andaaz to the consternation of Dilip. Enjoy (and
pardon Raju for going overboard with the title of the piece). Ajay This is yet another article from the TOI, Bombay. It is an ex-
tract from the book "Lata Mangeshkar : A Biography" by Raju
Bharatan. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
Singer or Saint ?
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Can you believe that Lata Mangeshkar was an itsy-bitsy teeny-
weeny 532-day-old as Wazir Mohammad Khan brought, on 14 March
1931, the sound of music to Indian cinema with 'De de Khuda ke
naam pe pyaare taaqat ho gar dene ki' in Ardeshir Irani's Alam
Ara ? Those Urdu words of the first Hindustani song in the first
Indian talkie must have registered indelibly in the psyche of
Lata Mangeshkar. For she was to take Dilip Kumar at his withering
word and prove that Urdu was no less her language of expression
than Marathi. Lata, as I have already noted, was first exposed to the dizzy
dazzle of Dilip Kumar on a local train, way back in 1947. "Yeh
nayi ladki hai, achcha gaati hai" ("This is a new girl, she sings
well") is how Anil Biswas paraphrased Lata to Dilip Kumar. When
Dilip Kumar was told that Lata was a Maharashtrian, the Pathan in
him reacted from the gut. "Inka ek problem hota hai", Dilip said
of Maharashtrian Lata, "inke gaane main daal-bhaat ki boo aati
hai" ("There's one problem about these people from Maharashtra,
in their singing you get the odour of gravy and rice")! Stung in the tongue with which she was going to win over the
world, the Honey Bee, from that very day, sat down to lessons in
Urdu from a maulvi called Shafi. Lata notes that she worked
ultra-hard, from that pungent point, to "achieve clarity and
proper diction" in an Urdu language made for dialogue delivery by
Dilip Kumar. Even so, when Dilip Kumar and Lata Mangeshkar were
brought together some 23 years later for that Khushwant Singh
"Weekly" cover story, the first enquiry from Dilip Kumar, in
preparation for lunch, was, in effect, whether Lata Mangeshkar
was a "daal-bhaat" (vegetarian). Lata was not, but she never for-
got that early "daal-bhaat" odium cast on her singing worth by
Dilip Kumar. At the first opportunity she got to render a duet
with him, she so outsang Dilip Kumar that he realised sharply
that the little Maharashtrian girl, of whom he was once "daal-
bhaat" dismissive, had, in her singing, mastered the Urdu diction
to a point where even Dilip Kumar was 'easy meat' for her ! In fact, Dilip Kumar now genuinely wondered how possibly he could
have doubted her Urdu credentials when Naushad first let it be
known that Marathi Lata would be singing "Uthaye jaa unke sitam"
and "Tod diya dil mera" in his Nargis- Raj Kapoor co-starrer An-
daz. Dilip Kumar, famous by then for his romantic mop of hair,
had hit the roof when Naushad suggested the name of Lata. Lata
then swore that she would one day, bring Dilip Kumar down to
earth. The one who thought he was the greatest acting show on
earth was soon to encounter, in Lata, the greatest singing show
on earth. Lata in Andaz brought to the expression of Urdu poetry
some of the flair Dilip Kumar brought to the expression of Urdu
prose. Naushad had worked wonders with the girl. That for the Andaz class of sustained singing Lata Mangeshkar was
awarded the Padma Bhushan as early as 1969, that for the Andaz
class of sustained composing Naushad was awarded the Padma
Bhushan only 22 years later in 1991 is a barometer of the
metamorphosis in climate effected by this megasinger by which she
was able to show each pioneer-composer his place. Indeed, by
1991, every single composer who claimed to have made Lata and
Asha had unmade himself. Neither Naushad and Nayyar counted by
1991, only Lata and Asha did. Lata and Asha, they are the Corsican Sisters of our music. Hurt
Lata by hurling the word 'monopoly' at her and Asha is hit at the
same spot at the same time ! But Asha, really speaking, only
carries the onus of shouldering half a share of the Mangeshkar
monopoly. All the big credits accruing from that monopoly have
been to Lata - from the Padma Bhushan in 1969 to the no less
prestigious Dadasaheb Phalke award in 1990. You are either born
to charisma or you are not. You cannot achieve charisma. Least
of all can you have charisma thrust upon you.

Lata Mangeshkar at 60 was a milestone. Lata Mangeshkar at 65 is a
speed-breaker. The breakneck pace at which music is written,
rehearsed, rendered and recorded makes Lata a helpless giantess.
She no longer needs to announce her retirement from films. Hin-
dustani cinema has itself announced how much need it now has for
her. There were those moments of high anguish when Lata felt di-
minished by the departure of contemporaries like Geeta Dutt,
Mukesh, Mohammed Rafi, Kishore Kumar and Hemant Kumar. Today Lata
is reduced to singing them in her Shraddhanjali series. This is
but a reminder that, as far as Hindustani cinema goes, Lata is
treading on her past. On her past and now on the past of other
singing greats.