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Srividya

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Posted: 8 years ago

#881

Problems are faced by all . Some find means of dealing with it and become a master of their own circumstances. Others choose the option of making the suffering their defining moment or quality and play the victim card.

When Drona the teacher was pointed out an amazing archer instead of equipping Arjuna with the required skills he thought of mitigation of threat.it was not Arjuna's decision but Arjuna was the reason. Drona was attached to Arjuna as his ace student,as the person who defeated his rival and got him the revenge. Arjuna became the means to his end.

Karma is generous loyal and will endure anything for his friend. The ego that was hurt when Panchali questioned his0 inparticipation in the swayamvar prompted him to say those nasty things to Draupadi in the disrobing.

We choose to see through a prism whatever perspective we take we can argue and state that we are right.

Analysis and discussion allows us the understand and express perspectives. We have the nurturing quality that prompts us to think of the underdog and champion their cause. If it is considered your weekends and manipulated by the supposed sufferer who inflicts pain on you ,your survival instinct surfaces. To survive you need to resort to minimise the ammunition of the threat.

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Gamayun

@Minionite

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Posted: 8 years ago

#882

Originally posted by: Mangothyme

Sorry Athene, Have to disagree on Satrupa being on Narottam's side . If it is it's like the Dadi fake acting for me. I don't get it. Satrupa has demanded Narottam's identity from him. She is heartless and ruthless. She will put Anami in the line of fire for it knowing very well how ruthless Sudha is. She knows Ladoo could be in danger. She put all these people in danger. For whom ? Baldev. A person she has no relationship with. Who wanted to Dhakke marke send her out with Anami. It's laughable how Satrupa is holding on to something that does not exist. If she is fair she will get Narottam on her side, she will get Anami on her side. Instead she plays games. The LM Bahu side of her. That is why Satrupa must be brought down most of all. She is Jekyll and Hyde. The LM bahu persona is Hyde who does all this plotting and even keeps her dead son's dream as a pawn. Today Satrupa is Yudi. All the bad characters of both India and the West for me. 😆. For the good side to come, the one that plays with Ladoo, who was the mother of Vatsalya, the LM Bahu persona must die.

I hear you Mangothyme, but somewhere I also feel that Satrupa is on his side in comparison to Sudha. That was really my main point above. The comparison between the two mothers: the real and the step.

Satrupa stood up for him for the first time when he was being beaten ruthlessly. He's been beaten before, but she never said anything. She came into his room and noticed enough to find out that he likes gardening. Yes she's using him, but even in using him she's on his side.

Because she's using Anami and Ladoo as well. But she isn't going to throw them under the bus when her job is done. Similarly she won't just throw Narottam under the bus once she's done. Because even through using him, she has shown care and understanding for him.

She is heartless and ruthless and she has shown that time and time again, but unlike Sudha who is just using Narottam and probably wouldn't blink twice if he died or if got caught, Satrupa cares enough to bail him out or try to save him. Don't misunderstand me. She won't put herself on the line for Narottam like she would for Anami and Ladoo, but she will try to save him. That alone sets her apart from Sudha and puts her on Narottam's side.

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Mangothyme

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Posted: 8 years ago

#883

Originally posted by: Athene

I hear you Mangothyme, but somewhere I also feel that Satrupa is on his side in comparison to Sudha. That was really my main point above. The comparison between the two mothers: the real and the step.

Satrupa stood up for him for the first time when he was being beaten ruthlessly. He's been beaten before, but she never said anything. She came into his room and noticed enough to find out that he likes gardening. Yes she's using him, but even in using him she's on his side.

Because she's using Anami and Ladoo as well. But she isn't going to throw them under the bus when her job is done. Similarly she won't just throw Narottam under the bus once she's done. Because even through using him, she has shown care and understanding for him.

She is heartless and ruthless and she has shown that time and time again, but unlike Sudha who is just using Narottam and probably wouldn't blink twice if he died or if got caught, Satrupa cares enough to bail him out or try to save him. Don't misunderstand me. She won't put herself on the line for Narottam like she would for Anami and Ladoo, but she will try to save him. That alone sets her apart from Sudha and puts her on Narottam's side.

I completely agree on Satrupa Athene. She is not evil like Sudha, but to me I can understand evil. They will be vanquished. But I do not excuse good people who knowingly do bad.

One of the greatest quotes to me is "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing".

We see it in the Mahabharata. The way I understand it Dushasan, Duryodhana , Karna, Shakuni were the main players in egging and the actual act. They were evil. But what is so disappointing to me is Drona, Kripacharya and most especially Bheeshma. Now I am sure there are a hundred ways why their stand was justified, why Yudi keeping his wife as a pawn is justified by the laws then. But there is only one justice since the time of MB and even now. Disrobing a woman is wrong. Evil triumphed that day because good men did nothing.

Bad things will happen to Ladoo, Anami, Narottam because of Satrupa's actions. If she had just given into Vatsalya's dreams a lot of good would happen. Poison is the same in drops or cups. We will avoid it. Sudha is pure evil, but Satrupa is the most disappointing because she is good and she is doing it for the wrong reasons.

I see so many parallels in the actions of Satrupa in QE. The movie 'The Queen' deals with the days after Diana's death. The struggle to accept her, give her a place in the royal family even after her death and not give her honors like lowering the flag, a state funeral is played out vividly. She was given that in the end because the public and thus the government demanded it. The BRF actions backfired badly and was the result that triggered the change we see today in them.

Speaking of evil, our Pujan chacha is playing Darius on Porus. Anyone know how it will affect RKC ?

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Usha

@usharanganathan

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Posted: 8 years ago

#884

Originally posted by: Mangothyme

I completely agree on Satrupa Athene. She is not evil like Sudha, but to me I can understand evil. They will be vanquished. But I do not excuse good people who knowingly do bad.

One of the greatest quotes to me is "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing".

We see it in the Mahabharata. The way I understand it Dushasan, Duryodhana , Karna, Shakuni were the main players in egging and the actual act. They were evil. But what is so disappointing to me is Drona, Kripacharya and most especially Bheeshma. Now I am sure there are a hundred ways why their stand was justified, why Yudi keeping his wife as a pawn is justified by the laws then. But there is only one justice since the time of MB and even now. Disrobing a woman is wrong. Evil triumphed that day because good men did nothing.

Bad things will happen to Ladoo, Anami, Narottam because of Satrupa's actions. If she had just given into Vatsalya's dreams a lot of good would happen. Poison is the same in drops or cups. We will avoid it. Sudha is pure evil, but Satrupa is the most disappointing because she is good and she is doing it for the wrong reasons.

I see so many parallels in the actions of Satrupa in QE. The movie 'The Queen' deals with the days after Diana's death. The struggle to accept her, give her a place in the royal family even after her death and not give her honors like lowering the flag, a state funeral is played out vividly. She was given that in the end because the public and thus the government demanded it. The BRF actions backfired badly and was the result that triggered the change we see today in them.

Speaking of evil, our Pujan chacha is playing Darius on Porus. Anyone know how it will affect RKC ?

I agree Mangothyme that Ekalavya was meted out injustice. Not by Arjuna, he was zealous , ambitious , young student of Drona. Drona ,with his wisdom and experience need not have reacted like that. He could have convinced or taught this as another lesson to Arjuna. He did 'Adharma' out of his selfish motive of avenging his insult by Drupada through Arjuna and Paid for it in the battle of Kurukshetra. In case of Karna , true he was probably the best amongst the three , Arjuna, Eklavya and himself. He was wronged by his mother. And she suffered for it. Ekalavya's dreams were dashed because of his misplaced sense of loyalty to a Guru who actually did nothing for him.Ekalavya 's 'Adharma' was his lack of self confidence and self respect and a desire to be known as a disciple of a famous Guru.

Arjuna did not know that Karna was his brother. Karna lost his Shakthi because of his association with Duryodhana , being fully conscious of his misdeeds, slaying of a mere kid 'Abhimanyu' flouting all rules and maryadas. MB is full of these credit and Debit of Dharma and Adharma.

Arjuna did not build his dream at the cost of these two

Anami has every right to test Narottam. Afterall he has been using her throughout. I don't think she will allow him to sign in the end. In fact Vatsalya has paid dearly, with his life ,for his dream.He has paid for the kind of person that he was. Narottam is paying no price,If he is it is because of his mother and Baldev.

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#885

@usha I wouldnt want anyone to be like Satrupa, though I connect to her, I am not sure whether I will chose her path. Because all said and done she is not yet thankful to pandit and pandithayan. She is not evil like Sudha, but she has a long way to go to become a role model.

If I had seen a character in TV in recent times whom I had admired was Durga of EHT. She was one hell of a character. Nithya's fight to get justice for her sister was one hell of a theme. Another character that has impressed me was Shobha from POW-Bandhi Yudh ke.

Third was Zubiya from Yakeen ka Safar. To be frank both protoganists of this show Asfandyar and Zubiya were so good, what a path, what a journey is what I had called that show.

Dev of EHT was also good. A male lead who was not overpowering. So was Iman of POW. In RKC I am looking forward to Anami-Adhi path crossing with Dheeru and Satrupa.

@mangothyme for one Anitha who committed suicide I have come across of 100s of girls and boys who were in much worse situation than her , who had fought their way up, who had made use of the oppourtunities. Who were willing to look at open doors than the closed ones. This I am not telling just like that. I am an active member of the CSR wing of my MNC and I handle the education track. We provide financial assistance, teaching, mentoring students from socially deprived backgrounds. Neither this thread, nor this forum is enough to pen those stories, the journey of success without deviating from the right path. Yes Krishna was the difference of Arjuna's life. He kept Arjuna in right path because Arjuna believed in him. For those who believe in Krishna or any other God the only thing I know is that the Lord will send support in one form or another so that they dont stray from right path to achieve their goals. Only thing needed is that trust, a will to stand up for oneself, patience and perseverance.

Yes Anitha didnt get NEET she committed suicide. Marivelu Thangappan lost his leg, he came from a poor family and he fought his way to bring gold medal to the country in Paralympics. I still remember the speech of Sushil Kumar post his bronze medal victory. Nobody knew him before he won the medal. There was no masseur for him which is much for a wrestler. But everyone came to him when he got the medal.

If someone chose to fight it out, if someone uses the right way to hog limelight and if someone else is deprived of their rights, the one who hogs limelight need not have build their dreams someone's else dreams. They build it due to their hard work and their ability to trust, and walk the right path with patience.

We will differ in perspective because I can never celebrate running away from problems and claiming those problems as the reason for choosing the path they choose to attain what they wanted. I prefer those who are willing to face the problems head on, who are willing to jump in fire having the confidence that they can come out of it successfully. Agnipareeksha is not for sob stories, Agnipareeksha is for the one who has courage and conviction. And I have seen enough people who have gone through successful Agnipareeksha's in real life to have my faith firm in my choice and have given me courage to tackle many problems in my life without wavering from the right path. The most important thing I have learned from experience is that life is unfair. But how you deal with unfairness decide whether you live or die.

@Shreya Narotham has not chosen yet. He is somewhere broken, Anami will have to give AP as you said to gain back that trust. Anami wanted to take AP of Sudha, but Adhiraj tells Sita had to take AP to prove her purity. I had also talked about AP for Anami. Now it looks like her AP is to win back Narotham. Only she can win him back. Coming to Satrupa she can never give Narotham the place of Vatsalya, Anami or even Ladoo. But she can definitely help him to carve out his identity not as someone related to LM, but as someone whom LM will be proud to be associated with. Sudha can never give him that. She will only use and destroy him.

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#886

Irrespective of all my talk of justice and injustice I can connect with Karna, I can understand why he did what he did, and I had tried buckets of tears when he falls in Kurushetra. I am even empathetic

towards duri, even understand Shakuni. But the people I could never understand or support is Bhishma and Drona or even Gandhari.

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Usha

@usharanganathan

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Posted: 8 years ago

#887

Karna is my favourite character too. But his plight was because of kunti and Karna himself.Not Arjuna.

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#888

yes Usha, Karna's plight was because of Kunti and his actions, Arjuna was not responsible for what happened to him. I dont know how many will agree with me on this aspect, but I had found this aspect very intriguing and interesting in MB.

Karna's foster father was a charioteer. Karna had never wanted to be that or in a way he himself never respected that profession as he rebelled and moved to become an archer. Lied to parasurama to get knowledge, joined duri to prove himself as archer, he did everything to let go off that suthaputra tag.

On the day of decisive battle with Arjuna, Krishna sat at the role he had so vehemently rejected that is that of a charioteer and made Arjuna win the war, while the charioteer Shalya played a key role in karna's fall by discouraging him, insulting him while Krishna encouraged Arjuna to fight.

If you look another aspect Krishna was also a prince, Karna was also a prince. Krishna's foster parents belonged to cow herding community. As a child Krishna did cow herding. He never disrespected his foster parents profession even after he knew who he was. He became the prince but throughout the life he kept the peacock feather on his crown which his mother Yasodha used to keep for him, he had the all the delicacies of palace available still butter was his favourite food. He respected his foster parents and adapted to the life style of his birth parents to do his duty. He changed, yet he didnt change. He was Devaki nandana yet Yasodha ka dulaara, he was Vasudev sutha, also Nandnandana.

But somewhere Karna could never warm up to the profession of his foster father Athiratha. I dont think he even tried to understand what that role was, how to do it. He expected respect from others for his merit, but he never respected the merit of the profession his father practiced. That was one of the reasons I had felt that led him to wrong choices and placed him where he was in the end.

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Usha

@usharanganathan

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Posted: 8 years ago

#889

Exactly Shruthi. He became the best Archer of the world. For all his valour and good qualities he had one biggest draw back, his self pity.He was handed a rough deal by destiny. He always pivoted his actions on his deed of destiny. Arjuna had many shortcomings , but he always introspected and off course had Narayana to guide him. This Nara Narayana concept of MB makes me relate to it better than Ramayana.Highly idealistic behaviour is very hard to digest at times

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Srividya

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Posted: 8 years ago

#890

Shruthi off this track but in a related topic let me tell you that the professional education scenario in Tamil nadu sucks. There is more stress on money than merit. I am an educationist in the states most backward district. I see children like Anitha are being victimised by the lobby like Narottam is by his mom.,.

A decade or so ago the state abolished entrance exams and the board exam became all powerful. There are more seats available in professional colleges than students appearing for exams and every bootlegger and goon has begun running institutions.

I have seen schools with no labs conducting practical exams and produce full score. Invigilators use what's app to share question papers and answers are circulated it is a mafia that is growing in the sector and the opposition to Neet is not as some people are making it out to be.

Ihave been in the field for almost 3 decades and can tell you that the scenario is grim.