The hands you take and the hands you leave Part 63-Updated page 149

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 7 years ago

#871

@vidya Karna of MB never wanted the throne. He wanted the identity of a good archer. He wanted to be appreciated and loved for his talents, he did not wanted the world to tell him what he should do and shouldnt do. Narotham is also like that. He wants his identity. He is as conflicted as Karna. Just like Karna relinquishes the throne for Duri's friendship, Narotham has relinquished his identity for his half brother dream which he asked his half sister to fulfill.

But MB always gives credit to Karna, his identity was established, kunti told the world who he was. His brothers did his last rites and if I am right his son vrishakethu ruled Indraprastha.

So Narotham identity will come, he will get his place too. But not the way Sudha wants. Narotham will find it on his own.

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simran_singh_24

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Posted: 7 years ago

#872

The irony of emotional manipulation! It boomaranged on Sudha and her son.
wherever he is Vatsalya must be having the last laugh.
Adhi has become another player,that smile when he egged Anami to put sudha on agni parksha😆

Sudha seems to be getting encircled by all sides.

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Mangothyme

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Posted: 7 years ago

#873

What is the price of a dream ? is the name of today's episode.

The majority of us posting here are women I think and have not had to fight for the right for education, a job. We probably had dreams of what we wanted to be when we were young and we were told if we worked hard we will achieve it. So we studied hard and got our dreams. But those were our dreams, our hard work directly affecting our achievements. So the price we paid was our hard work and affected our lives directly and perhaps that of our family.

But what if the dreams were big that affected millions of lives and for the better. Which would give them not luxuries, but basic necessities like health care and education which we middle class take for granted. But if you are fighting for food, water and shelter, things like education and health care are luxuries. What price will or should an individual pay if they had the power literally with the stroke of a pen to change the lives of thousands in this case. There will no money problem, enough will be given for a lifetime. But the price is the identity.

The story I can think of as a parallel in the MB is the story of Ekalavya. This is one of the stories where I get angry because it is so unjust For Arjuna to become big Ekalavya had to give up his thumb. In fact tricked to give up his thumb. Throughout MB people who do not belong to good lineage like Ekalavya (he was Krishna's cousin by birth but was adopted by a Shudra), Karna have to pay the price because Arjuna has to win. The outcast land up with Duryodhana and then they ultimately say they have to be killed to restore Dharma. But how is it fair if these individuals have been trampled on, their achievements distorted because one person should be big. It creates resentment and it is justified. I am highly sympathetic to people like Karna and Ekalavya because they were wronged in the first place. They are justified in wanting revenge. If these people must be punished then why wasn't Yudishtra punished ? He is one the weakest, spineless characters. If he is Dharmaraj I don't understand or want that Dharma.

My idea of Dharma is one where caste, birth have nothing to do with achievements. What happened today to Narottam was so wrong. They are grooming Anami to be this big Arjuna, to take over Royal Steel. But it is at the expense of Narottam. There are some hurts no money in the world can heal. Tomorrow if the LM folks build this hospital and school it will be under Vatsalya's dream fulfilled by Anami. But the price paid was by Narottam.

The Taj Mahal is a beautiful structure, a monument of love. But it is also a tomb. It hides death, makes it beautiful but it is still a grave. It also hides evil. The price paid by the builders were their hands. The price paid by Narottam is his name. Shahjahan was also imprisoned by his own son. That is Karma for me. So who knows what price LM wasis will have to pay for the price of Narottam's name. It will not just be money.

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shruthiravi

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Posted: 7 years ago

#874

One thing I have to tell. There was only one difference between Arjuna, Karna or Ekalavya whatever it is. For Arjuna the glass was half full, while for others it was half empty. We always say this person suffered for Arjuna, this person suffered for Arjuna what is so great about Arjuna. Nothing, only the attitude.

Life was not easy for him. He was a prince born in a jungle. He won the hand of a woman in swayamvar whom his mother asked to share between 4 of his brothers. Did Karna shared his wife. Answer is no. He didnt.

He was made a slave by his elder brother. His friend told him to choose between his power and himself. His friend who is called Narayan didnt protect the child he loved so much who was brutally killed in Chakravyuha.

Did Arjuna complain, did he hate kunti, did he hate Yudhi, did he question Krishna. Answer is no. He took life the way it was, he accepted what life gave him. When life threw stone at him, instead of hitting back he caught it. He became the fragrance of Lord Krishna because of whom Bhagavad Gita happened. He asked Lord direction when he was in pain. He followed the direction. He owned up his actions. It was not the situation that defined him, he defined the situation.

Karna, Ekalavya was always victims the world saw. But they never saw Arjun the husband who was a victim, Arjun the brother who was a victim, Arjun the son who was a victim, because he never told sob stories, he masked it with a smile. To see Arjun as victim, Abhi had to die.

You always have the path of using the fire to burn others or become a lamp, whatever situation you are in. You can committ a mistake but defining your circumstance to support a crime doesnt really make you a victim. Then the victim becomes the criminal.

People easily relate to sob stories because that is what 99% people do. Because of x,y,z circumstances I did certain things. I am not bad. It is the remaining 1% those fighters, those real victims, those many times are bad in front of the society who really the need the support because they dont know how to tell they are victims or present a sob story.

This is my perspective, people can make many perspective out of MB. For me I had always followed glass is half full attitude of Arjun.

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Mangothyme

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Posted: 7 years ago

#875

Originally posted by: shruthiravi
One thing I have to tell. There was only one difference between Arjuna, Karna or Ekalavya whatever it is. For Arjuna the glass was half full, while for others it was half empty. We always say this person suffered for Arjuna, this person suffered for Arjuna what is so great about Arjuna. Nothing, only the attitude.
Life was not easy for him. He was a prince born in a jungle. He won the hand of a woman in swayamvar whom his mother asked to share between 4 of his brothers. Did Karna shared his wife. Answer is no. He didnt.
He was made a slave by his elder brother. His friend told him to choose between his power and himself. His friend who is called Narayan didnt protect the child he loved so much who was brutally killed in Chakravyuha.

Did Arjuna complain, did he hate kunti, did he hate Yudhi, did he question Krishna. Answer is no. He took life the way it was, he accepted what life gave him. When life threw stone at him, instead of hitting back he caught it. He became the fragrance of Lord Krishna because of whom Bhagavad Gita happened. He asked Lord direction when he was in pain. He followed the direction. He owned up his actions. It was not the situation that defined him, he defined the situation.

Karna, Ekalavya was always victims the world saw. But they never saw Arjun the husband who was a victim, Arjun the brother who was a victim, Arjun the son who was a victim, because he never told sob stories, he masked it with a smile. To see Arjun as victim, Abhi had to die.

You always have the path of using the fire to burn others or become a lamp, whatever situation you are in. You can committ a mistake but defining your circumstance to support a crime doesnt really make you a victim. Then the victim becomes the criminal.

People easily relate to sob stories because that is what 99% people do. Because of x,y,z circumstances I did certain things. I am not bad. It is the remaining 1% those fighters, those real victims, those many times are bad in front of the society who really the need the support because they dont know how to tell they are victims or present a sob story.

This is my perspective, people can make many perspective out of MB. For me I had always followed glass is half full attitude of Arjun.

Sorry Shruti have to disagree with the bold. It is easier to relate to injustice because it is just that. When someone has to give up something because of their khoon or khaandaan or because they have no money it is injustice it is not a sob story. The direct parallel I can tell in today's world a story of a poor girl called Anita who committed suicide because she could not get a medical seat. She worked hard, got high marks, was from a poor family and got low marks in the NEET. What is the price of her dream ? Money was the price that was demanded and the price was her life. Everything from economic circumstances to birth made her fail. Her hard work hard no value. She is a Ekalavya. That is not a sob story, that is a real victim. The world will always be sensitive towards those people. Those are victims. Those are the people in Royal Steel that will be directly impacted by the school and hospital. The people Anami will help. But the question here is what is the price ?

You have to give charity because of a pure heart. If you give it in a matlabi way like Satrupa does there is always a stain on it. Both ways will benefit the people equally, but someone pays the price in the second one.

For Arjuna to win, Ekalvya, Karna who were his equals or even superiors in skill were asked to sacrifice. Arjuna was skilled but his victories have a kalank, a stain. Karna and Ekalavya achieved it despite the price they paid. Why should I not be sympathetic towards them ?. They are victims who rallied despite the price that was unjustly demanded from him. Arjuna was victimized by his family, his mother, his brother, not by Karna or Ekalavya so how is it fair ? That is unjust. His evil family. But he always had Krishna in his corner. The price was always paid by others. Abhimanyu with his life finally to make Arjuna angry.

There is a saying 'But for the grace of God go I'. Krishna was the difference in Arjuna's life. Victims are always there be it rich or poor, But if you build your dreams on someone else's tears it is not good. It is not Dharma to me. It will never be and something I will never understand till I get to heaven probably.

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Usha

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Posted: 7 years ago

#876

Shruthi in my opinion most of the women will have to become Satrupa, the one with seven faces, at the demand of various situations.I fully empathise with this character. We might not have an empire to defend or protect or live up to, like Satrupa. In our own space we face situation similar to her.Life hardly gives her any choice.

Narottam never aspired for the throne.All he wanted was love affection and acceptance.His mother never allowed him to accept LM as his home.

Satrupa has placed Sudha, Narottam and Anami in a dilemma.Narottam has come out of the situations by agreeing to sign.

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SavageMinion

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Posted: 7 years ago

#877

@ Newbiesoapfan and Shruthi: Sudha pushing the decision to Narottam looked to be a ploy to bring him back to her side in full. In the past while we've seen Narottam has let his emotions overtake his mind and he's become more and more inclined towards Anami and Satrupa because all he wants is love and recognition and he started getting that. Sudha used this offer as a chance to show Narottam that the sister he had started caring about doesn't care about him. In way she wanted to see what his decision would be and to bring him fully back to her side. But somewhere Sudha has lost Narottam completely.

Like you said Shruthi, Narottam agreed to sign, but is giving Anami Vatsalya's dream as a charity. Now the onus is on Anami to prove that Narottam means more to her than Vatsalya's dream at this time. It's not about giving up Vatsalya's dream fully, but about taking a step back, putting it to the backburner, and regaining Narottam's trust that she just lost.

On the other hand, Sudha has lost Narottam as well. She wanted Narottam to say no. To demand his rights. But he agreed. Whether it was emotionally or not, she never expected this of Narottam. It's rattled her cage and that's why she's probably now out to kill Anami. Because Anami has ruined her entire plan and upbringing of Narottam.

I do hope though that this situation gives Narottam a good idea of who is really on his side and who is just using him. In a way everyone is using him, but somewhere Anami and Satrupa are now on his side. Sudha can never be on his side. For her, he's just a means to an end.

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deejagi

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Posted: 7 years ago

#878

Guys I still think Anami has seen only one part of Vatsalya's dream which was truly his.. but I have my doubts on an added page to that dream which demand's Narotham an equal place that of Vatsalya's.

Neither Anami nor LM refuse that when they have fulfilled one dream.

It's not plain glass but a tinted glass. Unless we go to the other side or the lights are on in the other side, we can't see the things clearly.

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Mangothyme

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Posted: 7 years ago

#879

Astitiva. Identity. We all have it. What is it made of though vs supposed to be made of ? Do Khoon, Khandaan, last name, education, color of skin, wealth supposed to give people identity. So many people are eliminated from opportunities for no fault of theirs because of caste, being poor, not of a 'good family'.

Well Diana was of a good family. Young, virginal (which they tested to make sure), aristocrat, from the right family. Khandaan, khoon, naam. She married into a "good family". It does not better than a royal family that too an heir. That is what all little girls supposedly want. A fairy tale, to be swept off their feet by a real life prince and life HEA in a castle.

But reality is always more khadwa than a fairy tale. Everyone has problems. Rich and poor. The perfect family expected the perfect princess to pay the price. Hide their secrets like having a mistress. They said that is what heirs do. It is common. Accept it. Look at things you get instead. Global fame, applause, adulation, just be a perfect princess. Forget your dreams of love of your husband. But a princess is just a girl too, who only wanted her husband to love her.

What happened ? Nathija kya. It all exploded. Divorce, Badmani in the press, secrets being brought out into the open, all the things behind the fake fairy tale exposed. Diana paid the price. The Abhimanyu if you will. But today her son Harry is able to marry the woman he wants and loves. Her Astitva is Biracial,American,Actress,Divorced. Any one of that would have eliminated Meghan a generation ago. But today the Queen is forced to accept her. She needed to give permission. Two generations ago the Queen refused her own sister permission to marry a divorced man, she refused permission to her son to marry the woman he loved. Nathija kya hain ? The perfect princess broke the fake Chakravayuh. Today they have no choice but to give in.Neeti, Reeti, Parampara all fell with it. Satrupa reminds me of QE II. Her dedication to duty, the crown above all. The individuals of the family must pay the price she decides. Well, it will tumble down. If Anami marries Adhiraj will the LM wasis support her ? He is Dheeru's son, Baldev's enemy. Will Satrupa support Anami when she wants to marry, she went against Baldev for business, for money. The crown must win is wrong, very wrong. It is what gave Yudi the power to make his brothers and Panchali slaves. But it will change, the world does not work like that any more. Not for the British Royal Family or fictional RKC family. Thank goodness for that.

I keep seeing the British Royal Family and the Crown parallels in RKC. Quite fascinating to see.

Edited by Mangothyme - 7 years ago

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Mangothyme

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Posted: 7 years ago

#880

Originally posted by: Athene
@ Newbiesoapfan and Shruthi: Sudha pushing the decision to Narottam looked to be a ploy to bring him back to her side in full. In the past while we've seen Narottam has let his emotions overtake his mind and he's become more and more inclined towards Anami and Satrupa because all he wants is love and recognition and he started getting that. Sudha used this offer as a chance to show Narottam that the sister he had started caring about doesn't care about him. In way she wanted to see what his decision would be and to bring him fully back to her side. But somewhere Sudha has lost Narottam completely.

Like you said Shruthi, Narottam agreed to sign, but is giving Anami Vatsalya's dream as a charity. Now the onus is on Anami to prove that Narottam means more to her than Vatsalya's dream at this time. It's not about giving up Vatsalya's dream fully, but about taking a step back, putting it to the backburner, and regaining Narottam's trust that she just lost.

On the other hand, Sudha has lost Narottam as well. She wanted Narottam to say no. To demand his rights. But he agreed. Whether it was emotionally or not, she never expected this of Narottam. It's rattled her cage and that's why she's probably now out to kill Anami. Because Anami has ruined her entire plan and upbringing of Narottam.

I do hope though that this situation gives Narottam a good idea of who is really on his side and who is just using him. In a way everyone is using him, but somewhere Anami and Satrupa are now on his side. Sudha can never be on his side. For her, he's just a means to an end.

Sorry Athene, Have to disagree on Satrupa being on Narottam's side . If it is it's like the Dadi fake acting for me. I don't get it. Satrupa has demanded Narottam's identity from him. She is heartless and ruthless. She will put Anami in the line of fire for it knowing very well how ruthless Sudha is. She knows Ladoo could be in danger. She put all these people in danger. For whom ? Baldev. A person she has no relationship with. Who wanted to Dhakke marke send her out with Anami. It's laughable how Satrupa is holding on to something that does not exist. If she is fair she will get Narottam on her side, she will get Anami on her side. Instead she plays games. The LM Bahu side of her. That is why Satrupa must be brought down most of all. She is Jekyll and Hyde. The LM bahu persona is Hyde who does all this plotting and even keeps her dead son's dream as a pawn. Today Satrupa is Yudi. All the bad characters of both India and the West for me. 😆. For the good side to come, the one that plays with Ladoo, who was the mother of Vatsalya, the LM Bahu persona must die.

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