The hands you take and the hands you leave Part 63-Updated page 149 - Page 86

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Posted: 7 years ago
Today is an episode who is a parent for me.

First Narottam. There are few instances of him interacting with Baldev. One is as a small child in the very first episode. He looks at his father in the huge crowd who is cooing at his legal baby heir. Gayathri signals a servant lady to take him away. Narottam who is barely a baby himself does not want to go but is taken away by the servant. The second is when Baldev comes to meet Sudha and Narottam is in the room. He says Papa when Sudha asks who is there. Akash Gill is such a good actor that he infuses that one word Papa with so much longing you can feel the longing of Narottam in it. Was he even allowed to call Baldev Papa ? How was it to grow up seeing Vatsalya call Baldev papa with all the rights and have him respond with great love ? Pujan is a good father. Avdoot and him have a great relationship. How must it have been to watch that father-son duo ? Narottam does not betray Baldev even to Anami when he stood by ordering Pujan and Avdoot to hit him for bringing Sudha. He has accepted Baldev as his father even if to Baldev he is a mistake. So what is the price that will make Narottam sever the bond ? He is a person who beat himself with a whip before the Pagdi ceremony of Avdoot the day Satrupa brought Anami to LM. Was it because of the money or because he will never be acknowledged as Baldev's son if he adopted Avdoot ? Narottam will always be Baldev's son through blood, but what side he takes in the battle will come if he has some link to LM I think and no amount of money will change that .

Second Satrupa. There is a scene the night Anami is brought to LM where Vikram takes the gun given to him by Pujan and goes angrily to Anami who is sleeping under the tree. Satrupa sees Vikram from the balcony and runs down to save her. By the time she gets there Vikram is not there, Anami is sleeping peacefully and Satrupa breaks down in relief. Until she remembers Guruji. She rushes to his room to find Vikram threatening Guruji with the gun. Satrupa steps before Guruji and tells Vikram he is her mentor and father and says he has always treated her not like a bahu but as a beta. The word Beta is used by Vikram as well in that scene. Beta not Beti. Son not daughter. Satrupa becomes the defacto son of Vikram, a man who supposedly can't stand women in power. Even today Satrupa ignores Gayathri and looks straight at Vikram. . Vikram tells her that day that they will stand on opposite sides of Kurukshetra. A parallel I see in MB is Bheeshma and Arjun. Arjun could never kill Bheeshma but he could mortally injure him taking him out of the battle and Shikandi was the one who stood before him to make it possible. Will Narottam be the Shikandi to take out Vikram finally and will this action of Satrupa be the turning point ?

Last of all Anami. Today Satrupa and Anami had a real conversation in the guise of telling a story. They talked about hurts and for the for the first time Anami indirectly refers to Satrupa as mother with no Matlabi qualifier. Mother, not once but twice. They talk about someone they love in common. Vatsalya. But the mother in Satrupa disappears and the LM bahu takes over. What I get from this is, for the mother in Satrupa to come out, the LM Bahu persona must die. Satrupa will have to choose to sacrifice LM over Anami. A clear choice. Only then will Anami acknowledge her as Mom.

Very good episode. Tomorrow Ladoo is kidnapped. The only song that comes to mind is 'Dhoom Machale'. The poor kidnappers. This kid will create such ruckus. 😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
@Mangothyme the LM bahu is what protects Vikram and LMs reeti, neeti, parampara. That bahu has to go. Every step mother has to take over. Satrupa warms up with Ladoo, infact everyone warms with that child. Slowly but surely he will bring out the mother in her. He will bring out Satrupa the woman, who has to let go of the burden of carrying the reeti, neeti and parampara of LM at the cost of her conscience. She has to allow those deal making paramparas to die so that something new, something good can happen both to LM and RS.
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Posted: 7 years ago
IF swallowed my post.

Gonna be brief

Satrupa said there was shadow of evil in the palacve where the princess was born.Did she know that her other kids were killed?
Laddo fell on to the bed after shooting the imaginary badies, if not in the current track will he die later on?
adhi is trained in mind games too,

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Originally posted by: Athene

@ Manasi (I hope that's your name): I don't think Narottam ever had any brotherly feelings for Vatsalya. For him Vatsalya was a competitor, the heir of LM, and a brat who rubbed it in Narottam's face that he was the heir even though he was the second born child. At the same time though I feel that Anami will manage to evoke those emotions in Narottam as she has managed to touch his heart. Narottam has come out of his shell and stood up to Adhiraj to save Anami, stood up to Sudha when she mentioned that Anami has to die, and even cried (in reality) to what Anami made up about Vatsalya's diary. Not only that, but Satrupa, in her bid to get Narottam on their side, has also touched Narottam.

Narottam is basically a child starved for love and care. He's not a mean killing machine like Sudha thinks he is. He hates Lal Mahal and the family only because they've always hated and demeaned him. But show him some real care and love in your usual way and he'll realize that not everyone is as bad as Sudha made them out to be. That's why he's gotten confused when it comes to Satrupa. Because Satrupa hasn't suddenly become all lovey dovey. She still maintains a distance, but she stopped his beating, cared about him enough to bring him a blanket, and noticed his small habits and hobbies, in her usual way. That's really all Narottam needs to see. That these people stay in their character, but become more familial with him. Satrupa has hit it on the mark. Narottam is an easy sway because despite all his hatred, all he needs is love and care.


@ Mangothyme: I still feel that Narottam doesn't have Vatsalya or even know where he is. There was a scene between him and Anami where he told Anami clearly that if he had known Vatsalya was going to die then he would have done something to save him and I think he even said he suspected Pujan. Anami (at that time) was perceptive enough to read through lies and she was able to tell that Narottam wasn't lying. Not only that, but in a further scene Narottam reported this to Sudha in an innocent manner. It suggested to me that Narottam has no idea where Vatsalya is and believes Vatsalya is dead.

On the other hand you raise a good point about Purushottam. He might have hidden Vatsalya away. I felt a bit in the present that he doesn't trust Sudha, but I brushed it off thinking it was just because of bad audio or video. But I went back and watched it again to be sure and I felt that again. It was a weird sensation, but it happened as Sudha said that you have to talk to Narottam and Anami has to die. Purushottam almost seemed like he was ready to roll his eyes at that as if saying "another murder, seriously woman". Purushottam is smart. In fact clever. There's no way you are declared dead and remain hidden for so many years if you aren't clever. Even now, Adhiraj is just grasping at straws. Dheeru is unsure if the video is actually Purushottam or not (though I do suspect that's an act because Dheeru is a lot smarter than he appears). Whatever it may be, Purushottam is not one who will go down with others. He'll go down because of his own mistakes. Somewhere I feel he also suspects that Sudha's intricate planning will get her caught so he may not have killed Vatsalya as an insurance policy for himself.

But then I go back to my original point about Satrupa. Vatsalya was Satrupa's world. Would she really perform his final rites and be so broken without seeing Vatsalya's dead body? Vatsalya was killed in an accident. There was no explosion. The car didn't go down a ravine. Nothing. The body should have been found and handed over to the family. And if the body was handed over to the family, then why weren't we shown in? Alternatively, if the car did explode later or get pushed down a ravine, then why weren't we shown that as a cliffhanger? And if Satrupa hasn't seen Vatsalya's dead body, then how did she accept that he was dead? Why didn't she try to find his dead body? Somewhere I feel that Vatsalya is dead and if he isn't then Satrupa knows about it.


yeah , love & care he needs majorly .


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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: shruthiravi

@Mangothyme the LM bahu is what protects Vikram and LMs reeti, neeti, parampara. That bahu has to go. Every step mother has to take over. Satrupa warms up with Ladoo, infact everyone warms with that child. Slowly but surely he will bring out the mother in her. He will bring out Satrupa the woman, who has to let go of the burden of carrying the reeti, neeti and parampara of LM at the cost of her conscience. She has to allow those deal making paramparas to die so that something new, something good can happen both to LM and RS.


Absolutely yes. The LM Bahu has to go. Today Anami indirectly calls Satrupa Mom, multiple times. It is always Satrupa who has insisted Anami is like her so far. Today, for the first time Anami acknowledges a connection to her even though she says she does not lie like her mother. The mother in Satrupa should have been overjoyed, gone to bed and basked in the glow of her daughter finally thawing.

But what does Satrupa do, go late in the night to advice Vikram of ways to bring Anami under control. If she had not told of this plan I don't think Vikram would have come up with it, he does not consider Anami worthy of Vatsalya's dreams.

This is a scene from the Netflix series the Crown about Queen Elizabeth. In this scene she receives a letter from her grandmother who married into the family and was considered very dutiful. She advices QE on what her priorities should be as she prepares to become Queen after returning from a tour of Africa when her father died. This scene explains the conflict LM Bahu and Mom persona of Satrupa very well to me especially the line "The crown must win, must always win"

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnBjb5imPLY[/YOUTUBE]

But you see the consequences of that in the British Royal Family. Devastated lives when duty was put over relationships.
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Posted: 7 years ago
The episode was interesting on several counts. The sharp analysis of the theft and motives that could have prompted it. The promise of Pujan to Kamini that she is very dear and he would raise a monument worth remembering for her.
The conversation between adiraj and Sudha.
The adulation of Ladoo and his cameo with the gun.the collaboration of moment and daughter to create the story for Ladoo which became a perspective sharing and conclusion by Datrupa to present Anami with a deal. Purushothaman Sudha conversation were all aspects to thicken the plot.


Shruthi loved your analysis with reference to the MB.
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The new deal Vikku & Satrupa came up with is an interesting twist.
Hmm will Sudha barter her rights this time to escape from kidnapping consequecnes?
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This is what i exactly meant by satrupa pushes Anami towards Sudha. Anami was on the path of disbelieving her after seeing vatsalyas pic and the previous events before that. No but matlabi mataji as anami calls her has to go and make a deal for her to fulfill vatsalya's dream. in amami's eyes make a deal for her own dead sons dreams. What is Anami supposed to think of her. She will obviously think narottam & sudha are the wronged ones
And what does Satrupa intend to do with snatching away all narottam rights. push him more towards Sudha where as she was the one who was trying to get narottam towards her side by being nice to him. with this deal she is undoing whatever she has done to get narottam on her side all these days

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@simran Satrupa the intelligent woman would have def known about the dangers of LM when her twin boys died. Though she didnt know who or how, the woman's instinct, a mother's care would have given her premonition that made her go to guruji and take this step, though not literally as he suggested.
Coming to Ladoo falling on bed and his death, he falls on bed, a soft bed, to me it looked like if he falls, if he falters, someone or something as soft as that bed will be there to hold him so that he is not injured.

@mangothyme yes crown must win always. See this has been what that goes in MB also. The need to get a heir. Use of various ways to get the heir, to ensure the crown of Hastinapur has the final say. The reeti, neeti parampara that forces adharma in the name of dharma which finally results in the bloody war. Extreme demand of right and extreme demand of duty both over and above individual and relation is the cause of conflicts, wars. Duty and right can co exist only within loving relationship. It comes automatically. Both our epics Ramayana and MB teach us that. Love and trust is the basis of relations and only in that where individual and societal needs are balanced a good life happens, a good family is build, a good enterprise is build and a good nation is build.
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@naq the deal will push Anami more into the mess. See she cannot directly take Sudha, that means leaving Vatsalya. The bargain is Vatsalya dream. So Anami will have to think through it. How she will handle the choices. In a way Satrupa is giving her hard choices which life throws at us.

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