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Riddikulus thumbnail
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Posted: 15 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: SValeCalGal

That's very charitable of you, so thanks! It's also comforting to realize that rather than a diatribe (aka 'a rise') as a response, someone may strive to explain what about the show is so endearing ... I already granted that part of those who love/adore/live/breathe it are very likely of a different generation ... but I also admitted to having an almost incongruous liking for the zany (and this show was advertised - to me - as a likely candidate) ... at this point, I have not come away with a deep appreciation for whether this serial is supposed to be drama or comedy ... perhaps somewhere on that continuum ... I wasn't especially moved in either direction ...
Hmm...well, I think the continuum point would explain it best. It is drama, and it is comedy as well, but both are understated. After years of seeing the kind of shows that pack the Indian telly at dinner tables with my mum or visiting aunts and grandmothers, what I appreciated most about Rishta was its subtlety. And for me, that applies to all aspects of it, including the comic. You mentioned mirth as a part of intellectual stimulation. Well, mirth is also a subjective response, I believe. What I find funny you might find lame, and vice versa. And the thing with Rishta is, it has a very toned down sense of humour. It's more witty than funny most of the time, shall we say. And while it may not make me roll on the floor all the time, it does make me smile quite often, and yes, occasions a guffaw at certain moments as well. But that's my response, and I'm not saying everyone does or should respond in the same way. It's subjective, like I said earlier. And I also wanted to add that to your age-group point. My mother likes Rishta.com, as do most of my friends' parents, other than those who still prefer the great Indian daiIy soap. This is what I meant by a generalised conclusion. Can't hold good for everyone, necessarily. That's also the reason why I don't see your liking for the zany as 'incongruous'. Don't quite agree with a normative understanding of the human being. Every individual has likings and reservations, and I tend to look at them as a part of who he/she is, regardless of what is socially seen as what he/she should be at a certain age. Liking the zany or even the slapstick doesn't make one any less mature. At least that's the way I see it. I think you're also making a similar point on this front, since you are yourself a living instance of this 'incongruity'.
Ah yes! I see the misunderstanding here ... 'mean' is that long forgotten middle school mathematical concept ... it's also known as the 'average' ... ergo, mean age = average age ...
Aaah. Thanks for clearing that up. 😊
Much obliged to you for putting it simply ... now, I like what you say in terms of 'food for thought' (which of course, as you rightfully point out, provides intellectual stimulation - of varying granularity) ... I also grant you that I have not seen the serial since its inception, but if I extrapolate based on what I saw yesterday, I should remain unmoved ... but enough about me ... tell me what were/are these morsels that caused/cause you to cogitate ... and about what ... there's something I'm missing ... and I hate being left out in the cold 😔
The episode you watched was focused on Rohan and Isha, as is every episode, actually. But one of the differences between this and its predecesors is the client. This time, the client seemed more like an extra limb for humour (debatable as its efficacy may be). In the earlier episodes, the client has had a very central role in the trajectory of the episode, aside from the sub-plots with the other characters. That's another count on which Rishta scores for me, but more on that later. I'll stick to the client, for now. A couple of episodes ago, for instance, the client was a successful businessman, smart, polished, charismatic and 4 feet 11 inches tall. Predictably, he was turned down by every girl they found for him at Rishta, until one of the prettiest girls on the list came in to ask them to arrange for another meeting, and take things forward. Here's where the bit I like comes in. That while on most shows, this would be the point to harp on the old adage of never judging a book by its cover, Rishta took the same adage one step further. The girl produced an old passport photograph of hers, when she was 19 years old and obese. Having been mocked all her life, she understood that what lay on the inside was more important than what one saw on the outside. That covered, the news was broken to the client. And the client turned the offer down. Why? Because he was at an age where he wasn't growing any taller or shorter. But the girl could go right back to what she had been in that photograph. Having been mocked all his life for his height, he didn't think he could handle more mocking for his wife's weight. The episode ended with Rohan and Isha's faces, stunned and quite revolted. The point then made was that while a book is often better than its cover, it can be alot worse too. I've put it a little simplistically here, but it can be read as a very pertinent statement on human nature, as well as society. This is just the one instance I'll count out, to illustrate why I like this show. There are more, but I think this one should do for now. 😊

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Posted: 15 years ago
#12
Don't wish to denigrate anyone on this forum, so apologies at the outset in case there are bruised feelings ...
Loving this serial could very well be a function of the mean age of the viewers ... oh ... my guess would be - not exceeding mid 30's ... very likely even younger ... we oldies do get crusty as time flies by ... ending up fully fossilized ... which is where I would put myself ... except ... I have a real penchant for the korny, looney, and zany ...

😆 dun wanna sound mean but if u r over that age then dun watch it😛.. coz for sure there vl be generation gap and as a result u wont take this prog in a positive way and vl start bashing evry scene of it.. however i wudnt generalise coz i know ppl who are abve 50's n still love this prog n wudnt miss it ne week..

So ... on someone's urging, I watched my very first episode ... the not especially interesting tango between Rohan and Isha as they dance around ex-boyfriends (fellow plays 'Shiv' in the other YSR production ... see below) and soon to be ex-girlfriends ... annoying clients incapable of finding their soul mate ... and the va va voom vixen ... gosh, what was her name?!! (obviously eminently forgettable) ... geez louise ... as old as the hills ...

havent u ever met a guy whose fussy abt pity thngs?? well if u hvnt then so sorry coz i need to tell u that yes some guys are really crazy enuff to believe thngs like " curly hair gurls are confused!".. if showing true thngs don't make ne sense then better dont watch it n comment😃. n sorry i dun find netng wrong if someone breaks their r/ship of their career! i appreciate ppl who give career more importance than an affair.. n there is no wrong in thinking to b together with ur old crush!
Young Mr. Shastri (?): spellcheck comes in handy from time to time ... 'tis spelt 'grateful' not 'greatful' (yup, not even in American 'English')...

N please noone is going to sue YRF productions for a spelling mistake...everyone does a mistake none of us are perfect right😆..

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Posted: 15 years ago
#13
Don't wish to denigrate anyone on this forum, so apologies at the outset in case there are bruised feelings ...
Loving this serial could very well be a function of the mean age of the viewers ... oh ... my guess would be - not exceeding mid 30's ... very likely even younger ... we oldies do get crusty as time flies by ... ending up fully fossilized ... which is where I would put myself ... except ... I have a real penchant for the korny, looney, and zany ...

😆 dun wanna sound mean but if u r over that age then dun watch it😛.. coz for sure there vl be generation gap and as a result u wont take this prog in a positive way and vl start bashing evry scene of it.. however i wudnt generalise coz i know ppl who are abve 50's n still love this prog n wudnt miss it ne week..

So ... on someone's urging, I watched my very first episode ... the not especially interesting tango between Rohan and Isha as they dance around ex-boyfriends (fellow plays 'Shiv' in the other YSR production ... see below) and soon to be ex-girlfriends ... annoying clients incapable of finding their soul mate ... and the va va voom vixen ... gosh, what was her name?!! (obviously eminently forgettable) ... geez louise ... as old as the hills ...

havent u ever met a guy whose fussy abt pity thngs?? well if u hvnt then so sorry coz i need to tell u that yes some guys are really crazy enuff to believe thngs like " curly hair gurls are confused!".. if showing true thngs don't make ne sense then better dont watch it n comment😃. n sorry i dun find netng wrong if someone breaks their r/ship for their career! i appreciate ppl who give career more importance than an affair.. n there is no wrong in thinking to b together with ur old crush!
Young Mr. Shastri (?): spellcheck comes in handy from time to time ... 'tis spelt 'grateful' not 'greatful' (yup, not even in American 'English')...

N please noone is going to sue YRF productions for a spelling mistake...everyone does a mistake none of us are perfect right😆..


N P.S: its spelt as 'ITS' not as "tis"😉

Edited by priya_al - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
#14
N P.S: its spelt as 'ITS' not as "tis"
Child - before you take on a crusty old fossil like me (but I do laud you for being so intrepid 😊) ... do consider that my reach goes surprisingly far into the past ... albeit not as far back as this guy ... commonly known as Will Shakespeare ... or as some would have it, Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford ... (and I believe people who advocate this, present a very compelling case ... should you be interested, I can point you to the right documentation) 😊
To be, or not to be (from Hamlet 3/1)
To be, or not to be: that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
Oh ... and one more thing, if it were its I chose, it would rightfully have been it's ... its is a different species (could be Genus, although I don't think it would be Family ... just a bit of literary systematics ... kinda as a joke 😉)
Edited by SValeCalGal - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
#15
but you carry one..all the best..👍🏼
Cheers! Thanks for taking even the nanosecond (or was it a picosecond?) from your frenetic schedule to pen this ...
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Posted: 15 years ago
#16
Originality is a myth. Has it ever occurred to you that ur Devil Wears Prada and Bridgets Jones' Diary are also inspired by elsewhere?
Mahi is someone we relate to and she has a special place in our hearts.
But of course if u dnt like it, dnt watch it. Simple as that.
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Posted: 15 years ago
#17
Hmm...well, I think the continuum point would explain it best. It is drama, and it is comedy as well, but both are understated.
Nandini (I assume that's not just a moniker), thanks for your substantive response ... I luvs repartee (and those who are chomping at the bit to comment on this ... don't ... I do a lot of stuff for effect ... even at my age ... slang is OK) ... 'tis ... oops ... it's always refreshing to discover those with a different bent of mind 😊
Now ... enough of that digression ... understated is it? Hmmm ... always thought I had a good nose for that sort of thing (or maybe I've been deluding myself and it's only food I can sniff out) ... you know, I don't capitulate easily ... so I'll give this show another shot ... and then decide which way to head (I have my suspicions already) ...
Well, mirth is also a subjective response, I believe.
Cannot argue with that ... well ... nah ... I changed my mind 😊 ... actually there's a decided cultural component ... just to illustrate ... a young Japanese woman (I'm a Nipponophile) who had actually been in this country for a fair length of time commented on the fact that American humor that was laced with 'sarcasm' routinely eluded her ... she could not, as hard as she might try, understand what was funny about this exchange:
Person 1: I have to go to Hawaii next week for work ...
Person 2: Oh! Gee! Life's so hard ... hunh?! 😆
One would think that this would be hackneyed by now (since I'm a crusty old fossil), but it still makes me laugh (or maybe the part that tickles me is that not every one gets it!) ...
That's also the reason why I don't see your liking for the zany as 'incongruous'.
Well ... like I confessed ... I say things for effect ... 😊 No, the point was - I don't discriminate when it comes to humor (other than Monty Python -which has never made me hum along ... although John Cleese himself has been outrageously funny at many other things) ...
I think you're also making a similar point on this front, since you are yourself a living instance of this 'incongruity'.
Methinks I'm smelling a compliment here 😆
This time, the client seemed more like an extra limb for humour (debatable as its efficacy may be).
Ah! See ... I knew we would be rubbing noses soon ... or is it seeing eye-to-eye? Gosh ... I'm getting my sensory modalities all mixed up 😆
Indeed ... the client did not come across as funny ... he needed to have a screechy whiny voice for starters (actually kinda like Cleese in 'Fawlty Towers') ... and the ending was especially lame ... him meeting up with the woman who had all but a nervous breakdown at being rejected (hunh?!) ... I mean, they might have at least opted to having her hair in curlers as she greets them at the door (get it? Since he had such an aversion to her curly hair) ... and I found that whole bit about the woman who walks into work so inappropriately clothed wanting as well ... for one thing, why does a bimbo always come in female clothing (pun intended)? Never see them show a man sauntering in with his shirt unbuttoned down to his navel (that's plenty ugly ... cannot think what else might be doable with a male bod) 😔 ... and there appears to be needless 'cross-talk' between this show and the other Chopra production 'Mahi Way' ... the part where 'call so-and so for a good time' ... Mahi was contending with exactly that a couple of episodes ago ...
A couple of episodes ago, for instance, the client was a successful businessman, smart, polished, charismatic and 4 feet 11 inches tall.
He was?!! You mean ... not even tall enough to have a Napoleonic complex?!! 😃 Was it this same fella they met up with and coerced into meeting the 'divorcee'?! He didn't look like he was even shorter than me .. Yikes! 😆
Having been mocked all his life for his height, he didn't think he could handle more mocking for his wife's weight.
Oh! You mean, he wasn't prepared to grow sideways?! 😆
I've put it a little simplistically here, but it can be read as a very pertinent statement on human nature, as well as society.
Deep runneth the superficial! Hurrah!
Edited by SValeCalGal - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
#18
coz for sure there vl be generation gap ... however i wudnt generalise
Each day, I find myself falling more easily prey to being addled ... so which do you want to be ... sure ... or general (which suggests ambivalence) ...
havent u ever met a guy whose fussy abt pity thngs??
You know ... I cannot say I have ... I hate persnickety ... more the pity ... eh? 'tis 'petty' ... but to typo is human, so don't take this 'admonishment' to heart - OK?
some guys are really crazy enuff to believe thngs like " curly hair gurls are confused!"..
You can't be serious!!! I mean ... you actually know some fellas who are so deranged?!
n there is no wrong in thinking to b together with ur old crush!
Oh dear! Oh dear! You got me all wrong ... they can show all of the above, some of the above, none of the above ... no skin off mah nose ... it's just not particularly novel!
Originality is a myth. Has it ever occurred to you that ur Devil Wears Prada and Bridgets Jones' Diary are also inspired by elsewhere?
It is?!! They were?!! Blast it ... there I go again! I'm wracking my brain ... I've watched many an old movie and nothing is surfacing ... so enlighten me ... if you have the inclination ... and the time 😉
But of course if u dnt like it, dnt watch it. Simple as that.
May I think about that for a bit?!
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Posted: 15 years ago
#19
LOL you really do have issues with Mr. Chopra's TV productions, don't you?😆.....

I'd love to know....what exactly qualifies currently under your definitions of great intellectual stimulation on Indian TV? I'm genuinely curious :-)

I won't call these two shows the epitome of perfection either but I would hardly dismiss them as 'stilted' or lacking intellectual stimulation....infact I think they are quite intelligently made that way and do provide food for thought in every episode....they are very today's generation....I find so many identifiable elements in so many of the characters......the only thing they are lacking in is the heavy dose of melodrama and over the top characters/situations mostly found in the abundant saas-bahu soaps on TV.

Finally, I'd just say that you are welcome to your own opinion ofcourse but to dismiss the crowd watching this show as 'simpletons' wasn't really needed either.
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Posted: 15 years ago
#20
Each day, I find myself falling more easily prey to being addled ... so which do you want to be ... sure ... or general (which suggests ambivalence) ..

😆.well dun wanna comment on neone's age its none of my business
You know ... I cannot say I have ... I hate persnickety ... more the pity ... eh? 'tis 'petty' ... but to typo is human, so don't take this 'admonishment' to heart - OK?

well if u havent then as i said u hvnt come across ne guy who falls into that categ. ! n yeah thnx for the correction😆.. hvnt tken it to my heart!
You can't be serious!!! I mean ... you actually know some fellas who are so deranged?!

well yesh i have come across those kind of ppl who r highly
Superstitious , rader i say stupid enuff to believe in myths..
Oh dear! Oh dear! You got me all wrong ... they can show all of the above, some of the above, none of the above ... no skin off mah nose ... it's just not particularly novel!

yeh its not a novel so then just njoy😃 then y to analyse a show just on basis of tat.. some thngs happen in reality n some dun... esp. some progs like rishta.com are just for entertainment n nt for scratching our heads.
bt of course if u dnt like it, dnt watch it. Simple as that.
May I think about that for a bit?!

well if u dun like doing somethng or watching sumthng its better u dun do it! there is no pt of getting a headache for urself.. its for ur gud only😃.. u shudnt do sumthng forcefully...

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