~!@!~ThE uLtImAtE WiNnErS~!Ashi-Yuvi!~ - Page 12

Originally posted by: aditya_rikh

i'm again posting a reply which is not related directly to the debate.sorry for that.

i never said that only u have used strong words,or u have done wrong,i pointed to each and every person who has crossed the limit according to me.and mind it it was a debate on the couples,and as ashita once said that behind the cover of the debatepeople are defaming ashi,ie an individual character,that's what my exact point is.from both sides,points have been raised that defame a single character or his/her other relations.debate wasn't on whether ashi or tia is a good daughter.was it?...well just wanted to remind u daat i didnt start dis debate on ashi tias relationship wid deir parents or of deir being grt frnds...i..just defended ashi...and wld continue to do daat n every possible way.........

i hope u got my point,and i again say it's not just u.as far as your saying that i shd take the last call of my staying in the debate or not,thanks but no thanks.i'm walking out.but still no offences.outside this thread,i.e in any of the others u'll still find me as a friend.maybe i'm not that"MATURE" as is required to bear the heat of the debate which would get worsen as the debate moves on.

Originally posted by: devilangel

nd coming to mads's point.. how is ashi yuvi's relationship different at all? best friends turning into lovers is practiclaly the case everywhere...

ummm...actually this statement proves tht u havnt been watching Remix carefully...or atleast havnt been following Ashi-Yuvi's story-line carefully...

Their relationship was NEVER "a case of best friends turning into lovers"...wat I stated was tht-"they can be best friends AND passionate lovers at the same instant..."

n this is wher their relationship is different frm other relations....

they are different like the north and the south pole

of course they're opposite as north n south pole...n if u've ever heard of the phrase "opposite attract" u'll kno their relationship....

yes tia ranveer;s relationship is cliche as well.. but the major difference is that it was intense.

if the definition of "passion" n "intensity" is holding each other's hands always...cuddling in corridors...n always staring into each other's eyes...then Ashi-Yuvi fail miserably in it....coz they dont need to display their passion everytime they meet in corridors...dont need to say "I love u" thousand times to each other to let the other kno of their love for him/her....their passion is evident in every action of theirs...n the fact tht we didnt get to see many of their so-called passionate scenes...well,we all know who the reason for tht is...😡😡😡 no point in repeating it again n again n again....

i mean all the crying epis where tia returned ranny's gifts and stuff just showed you howintense it was, and how passionate they were for each other. they defied all the un written rules in the imaginary so called rulebook of love by dating milions of other guys and girls.. but they always came together.. and never did one of them forget the other..

the main difference here is tht...Tia-Ranveer NEVER managed to forget their relationship...where as Ashi-Yuvi gave their relationship a new identity...tht of a friendship....n they grew more mature with every instance...evn they tried to date other guys n gals...but they always had feelings for each other which though they never brought them in the way of their friendship...even after Yuvi was unsuccessful in gettin Ashi back to him...he didnt keep on trying...he understod her point of view...n waited till the end for her reply...but at the same time...he didnt ditch her...he was always her friend...always ther for her wenever she needed him...n same goes for Ashi...

Originally posted by: smritisashi

just by qouting names of sme unheard movies would not make d ashi uv track cliched or watever u call it...........m surprised u had to think so so so hard to find d names of dese movies......i can write a dectionary of d millions of movies wid d same ultra boring tia ranveer track...........one more thng......ashi uv never fell in love after fighting......dey fell in love thorugh deir fights......daat was d expression of deir love...to be frank......deir love was too too too special to be forgotten even in times wen dey were fighting.........dnt u rember d sceen...wen ashi was accusing uv of cheating in d elections........even amidst such a strong heated up argument...uv couldnt stop himself from snatching and kissing her hand.... if u had read my reply well u would have know that i never questioned uv's feeling for ashi....i did say that he was always concerned when she was sad.....what i did say was that ashi never reacted like that....ashi adviced him only as a friend....there was never any concern that she ever showed that was beyonf friend ship..it was uv and only uv in their relation who did that why...could ranveer or tia hav dared to do dis in such circumstancee....they have done this in their own way too...even after ranveer blasing tia for stealing his money...she did get roses and give them to him...because she cared abt him...because she didnt want him to leave........considering u r actualy questioning d other persons integrity and new found victory........... well all ranveer cld hav said was...aap ek plastic ki gudiyaa hai...and aap hume samajh nahi paaii...n craap.....all wage sentances.......but uv.....uv did dis...u knw why...coz he knew from inside daat ashi was his..she was meant to be his ..... and daat even though ashi was accusing him from outsied...but he knew daat...from inside ashi knws daat he isnt guilty....if ashi knew inside he wasnt guilty what the hell was she trying to do....time pass or acting or what...if she knew he hadnt done anything for sure why the need to accuse him??...why the need to imply that she didnt trust him...when u say she did???...but tia ranveer....well dey always seem to forget daat dey loved each other in fights......why...just coz u hav faught doesnt change d person or d feelings...but why couldnt dey understand dis...and always started hating each other so much...daat d whole maurya seemed to notice......as i siad before...ashi uv fights always braught smiles on peoples faces......sid and vrinda being d persons who perhaps enjoyed dem d most insted of being troubled...whenever ashi uv fought sid or vrinda or anyone else for that matter had this "oh m god here they go again....now we have to stop whatever we r doing or were going to do and sort this"...getting this feeling isnt being happy....its feeling burden with the need to solve silly fights all the time....of two mature ppl (mature....acc to u)......but ranveer tia fights...had lot of high melodramatic backgrnd music......two people staring at each othr...as if dey wld right now kill d other...deir so called superb chemistry...suddenly being replaced by flames of anger...and d passionate words of intense love....tia tumahre bina rah nahi sakty...aap hamary sabse bady khushi hai.....and blaaa blaa....were replaced by...aap ek khokaly insaan hai.....tum ek sabse bade looser ho...........waaooooo...what intense love..right....and what d amount of care...wooooo..m zapped....but zapped wid d whole hypocracy of deir love........ well for ashi uv dey were always always wacko n pyscho.....daats called intensity of feelings...ok so intesnity of feelings in fighting and calling each other names....hmmm intereting!!!..well atleast tia ranny said some good things about each other ..even though they got silly when they fought...but AY constantly called each other wacko pyscho loser darpok fake he-man and what now.....only on RARE occasions do they manage to say something good about each toher......which dnt chaneg every second day...so calling each other names are mocking eachother is intensity according to u ...and this is the insentity of their feelings because they dont change....so dislike is intensity if their feelings...or is it putting each other down???........what more..uv even praposed her in dis fashion...tum hi wo ek ladki ho jiske saath main ladna chahta hun........ love isnt about fighting...yes their are fights in love...but they dont take center stage....the sentence u have quoted makes it seem even clearer that the loved to fight more than anything and they couldnt find anyone better to fight with so they got together.....prooves daat dere was no space of hypocracy and contradiction in deir love..it was always always dere..for everyone to see...clean and straight forward...... as for d chemistry between ashi and uv.....well i just want to say one thing daat dere wouldnt have been ne so called chemistry between karan n shweta...had shweta been taller daan karan.........daats what deir chemistry is all about physical perfection......but for ashi uv perfection doesnt matter.....coz deir love is strong enough to take care of ne imperfections.....even wid such major hight differance...which is a major flaw..according to many many stereotype and prejudiced people..raj n priya..managed to rock d screen.....daats where lies d differance.....in real and dramatic acting........i dont remember anyone citing that as the reason for lack of chemistry or feelings between AY..so dont know where u got that from.....also dont get ur point on how chemistry between shweta and karan would all of a sudden change because of height....the chem between tia and ranveer is because they r so expressive about their love...and shweta and karan r good enough actors to bring those bits about their charachter thru....AY on the other hand never express their feeling of love....there is rarely anything beyond friendship to see with them....atleast not with ashi.....

about daat sanganer concert...i hav stated it very clearly....see which post u r replying to before blasting on and on about something..i didnt talk abt the sanganer concernt!!!!..daat if ashi uv werent dere...daat wld hav been a flop show...and people wldnt hav restrained demselves from throwing eggs on d princes..and den everybody wld hav been bothered..by her endless cries of my skin my nails and what not.......oh.thaank god ashi uv saved us frm dis torture......😃.........well u said...daat dey had hav a fight just a few mins back and obviously dey wld be effected....to remind u of one thng....ashi uv always had fights before evry concert...with AY fights were the main thing they thrived on ??....not love....but did it ever ever embarresed remix in a way daat dese two so called passionate lovers did......rember daat time wen uv had refused to play for d band...and ranveer tia had sung deir song in d pub wid ashi...at daat time remix was in troble...and uv was mature n sensible enough to be dere and make up for his mistake....rember it was coz of uv daat remix was saved from a show down...... and forgetting everythng all he concentrated on was d performnce......but ranveer tia...wel first dey insult d crowd and d title track.....and den wen ashi manages to subdue d angered crowd...dese people are such kiddos who need to be wooed wid deir peppy song to sing properly.....there was a huge difference between those two situations...uv had quit band coz of his dad....he realised he couldnt live with out the band...and they were having problems too...so when he came back he didnt have a problem to break into a song....before the sanganer concernt both tia and ranveer were hurting....and it was naturally difficult for them to break into a peppy song when they were so far away from that feeling....so they took some time to regain composer...and then joined it...frankly life wnt always give dem frnds like ashi uv who wld always be dere to save d situation and giv dem choices....when u call them friends..arent u supposed to help them out???...infact tia even helped ashi and uv out when she and ashi were ennemy....before ashi went out to london...just because vrinda asked her too....tia covered up for ashi so that arjun wouldnt find out and punish her......and as for d so called moneytory help.....daat help could hav been provided by neone..ashi uv sid ne damm one...if she realy wanted to help him...why did she refuse to cme to sanganer at d first place...yes tia did tell ranveer that she came only because of her friends....but no one not even ranveer truely believed it....if tia had come only because of her freinds she didnt need to stand in front of the bulldozer...something which no one else did....she didnt need to secretly help ranveer by giving money when ashi uv and ranveer were busy talking to the landlord....her friends didnt ask her to do that..she did that because she didnt want ranveer to lose in front of the landlord..why did varun had to call ashi insted of tia for help...thats because varun had earlier been only close to ashi .....in ranveer's group...aman and ranveer were the ones who interacted with tia more...varun rarely did that....why did she screwed performace initialy..because she was still hurting inside...still angry with ranveer for not even meeting her once before going away..hurt because he went away from her ...with a chance that he would never return.....why did she wasnt d one to stop d crowd frm going...mayb had d first performance not been screwed..dere wldnt hav been ne need for tia to show her generosity......we all know that the concert went really well....so lets not get into fictitious situations just to prove that tia didnt care.....d fact is dis one incedence proves d deapth of deir imayurity and d lack of real feelings in tia ranveer......do u rember ne one incedent wen sid had gone to tia for helping uv out.....has sid gone to ashi to ask for help with uv??....i dont remember that ever happening!!!......noo coz deres no such time in ashi uvs life wen deir egos were more importent daan d other person's well being.........every single time when tia and ranveer were not well...they stood by each other ...not matter whether they were broken up or what....they couldnt see each other hurting....they didnt let their egos stop them either...

ne further discussion.....coz ashita had explained it very effectivelyy...........i guess u hav missed daat post...plzz do read...u wld get all ur answers.........

as for ashi calling pri motyroly.....well i dnt think its nethng wrong in it...and above all..pri never ever felt hurt once wen ashi called her dis..did pri come and tell u that she wasnt hurt???..any normal person would be ..because this way u r only bringing their fatness in focus......u knw why...coz being obesse and fat is not a curse....it may not be a curse..but u cant make fatness = to what that person is either....by calling them that.....are u implying that because fatness in not a cruse and not something to be ashamed of ..its ok to call someone "fat" "fatso" whatever ...to bring their whole personality down to that...yes tia was wrong in focusing too much on that...and thinking its important....but then none of us have claimed that she wasnt....but that doesnt again change the fact that by calling pri motiroli ashi was defining her whole personality as fatness ....atlest tia did see other aspect of her personality....ashi seemed to be stuck only on fatness.......certainly not to such an extent daat u feel ashamed of urself...and ashi did dis to let pri knw daat deres nothng to be ashamed of.......yes definately its a health abuse...and u shld try n get rid of it...but in daat process u shldnt loose ur self confidence.....for tia being fat is smethng of sheer shame..smethng one shld hate to such n extent daat u start hating urself.....smethng of disgust......had she ever ever cared for her angels in true sense she wldnt hav always kept on bragging abt her looks..her dresses....her hair-style...wen she knws daat her frnds are not as pretty as she is.....now what wld u call dis as.....love/care......naaaaaaaa...to me it just seems showyy pompusness...it just reflects d extent to which one can get selfish.......well as i said before...ashi was always always bothered abt people...and she knew daat pri was a sweetheart at heart...rember she even forced additya ot dance wid pri on her bday...is that guesture supposed to negate years of calling her motiroli?

...and if d so called angels were so well bound by deir bond of love...den why was it daat either meher or pri was always influenced by people like shy and latty.....dey were regarded as d weeklings...daat is smeone who cld be easily strayed frm deir belief...well pri and meher even played d roles of bullets for dese people......why did pri willing caused problems in tias life.....why..... d answer is coz dis is probably d fakest kind of frndship ever potrayed.........frndhsip is based on trust rather daan material thngs like clothes make-up and hair styles..........had dese three trusted each other den dere wldnt hav been ne probs btw tia ranveer..shyla could never hav succeded in her schemes....i mean dis is so so sleezy...how cld shyla even dared to use pri against tia.....could she hav dared to do dis wid ashi n vrinda..for daat matter even wid sid n uv...NO WAYS........coz dey had a frndship which had no space for outsiders...vrinda or mp wld never ever believe nethng said abt ashi...and same goes for varu n ranveer n sid n uv...........coz dese people hav faith in deir relationships......if vrinda or mp was in troble ashi was strong enough to handle dem on her own and if pri was in troble as always tia ahuja needed ranvvers help to sort it out.......why was pri more open to ranveer dan tia..why couldnt she trust tia compltly...well d answer is straight..coz tia ahuja didnt get time frm herself and her fashion parade to see daat dere were loopholes in her frndship......just by calling urselves angels and shwoing ur bond to d whole mauryaa...by a sleezyy kiss...does not mean daat u deserve to be called d best of frnds........for daat u need attitude...and belief...to carry forward a frndship..,,frndship which does not depend on beauty and make up...but is based on ture feelings..of trust and above all..respect.......only such frndhsips can be continued for a lifetome.............had tia given her frnds more time daan she gave ot herself or to ranveer.......maybe snitches like shyla wld never hav ruined her nights and caused her dose nightmares of dances and pimples...........yes meher and pri were weak....but u cant blame that on tia...lets not forget that tia was the only one who forgave them and again stood by them and cared about them as friends even after they hurt her betrayed her....that does show that she was took effort and did really care about them....yes pri listened many a times to ranveer more than tia because she had a soft corner for him....and tia even when she and ranveer had broken up forgot all that to focus on and help pri....just because pri and meher didnt give their 100% to their friendship doesnt change the fact that tia gave 100% to her friendship....the truth is ...if mp and vrinda had hurt or betrayed ashi like this she would have never forgiven them...she would have cast them aside....but tia still cared about pri and meher after this....doesnt that show she was dedicated as s friend...in friendship or any relation...all u can do is give it ur 100% u cant govern or dictate how much effort the other person puts in....tia put in her 100%...she did her best....how many would have back-out when they realised that the person that they like...is also someone that their friend likes....would ashi have given uv up ??? so lets stop blaming tia for mistakes that meher n pri did....as for the angels title and the kiss....even if its silly....it doesnt define their friendship...even ashi does silly things like talking to pumpkins...does that mean she is just that???

and now coming to ashi sonya.........firstly.....i am realy realy sad for u...coz amidst ur luv for tia..u hav forgotten to notice d beauty of d relationship which dese two people share........well u said..ashi was rude to sonya.......if u called being naughty and outspoken as rude..yee she was d rudest child bhaggu had ever created.....and thank god daat she was rude...coz dis added to d magic daat dis pair created...at least it wasnt draggy and patheticly boring as d summet tia scenes.........................yes ashi sonya hav loada and loads of problems...but dnt u think its pretty natural daat a relationship has sme flaws..i guess amidst d so called perfection of tia ranveers relation u hav forgotten daat in reality deres nothng called perfect...u learn fmr d imperfections to move towards perfection.........well its very much normal and natural for ashi to get jealous of her mum..considering daat even her frnds and people of her age..giv more attention to sonya just coz shes ultraa beutyful.....and ashi couldnt help but think its sonyas fault..even if u dont like tia or give her credit for anything...altest give sonia some credit....sonia was always nice and helpful to every single friend of ashi's she was somethings more understanding of their feelings...so what was so wrong with them liking her....is it u or is it ashi who is not giving sonia so to be more than just being beautiful??...why did ashi need to think it was sonia's fault?? .and as for sonya..well she was strong enough to make her daughter realize daat beauty..especially outside beauty is not importent...its what one carries in deir heart and mind which matters...sonya was always always ashis strength...and ashi knew dis......u dnt always need to shout to all daat u love him or her......... it was very very evudent in each and every sceen of ashi sonya daat what d other means in each others lives.........i smetimes thank god daat tia didnt hav a mother.......{though it was unfortunate daat she didnt hav one..coz every child desrves one}.....coz if unforutnately her mother was more beautyful daan tia..den tia wld hav definately commited suicide...tell me wld tia hav ever been able to bear all d boys staring at her mum and ignoring her...considering d fact daaat she was always attention savyy...no ways..she wld hav hated her mum to all possible limits of hatered......again...please dont jump to conclusions....tia did care a lot and sonia..and loved her so a extent may be like her mom...she was the closet thing tia had to mom....tia knew sonia was beautiful...but that never ever made her jealous of sonia or made her care any less for her...infact she stood up for sonia with her dad.......but ashi and sonya were mature and tooo too special for each other to giv importance to such petty issues..to sonya her mum-mum was d most beautyful girl bhaggu had ever created...and to ashi...her mummaaaa...was d best mummy possible...........and as for sonya leaving d country...i want to remid u daat ashi was not even aware of her mum leavoooong d place till she gets phone call frm cookie......and den what...all she needed to do was tel her mum daat u arnt going newhere leaving me all alone in dis zoo of animals.......well daat sceen in which she had stopped sonya fmr going had even surprosed and shocked summet to a statue...i wonder how cme u dnt sem to rember it............i remember the scene..i also remember that ashi was the one who was making sonia leave....by hurting her...by lashing at her.....there were so many times when sonia tried to comunnicate with her...try to make sense...but ultimately she had to decide to leave again for ashi's sake...i am surprised and shocked as to how u could forget this!!!!

now let me come to d strength of tia and sumeets relation...daat relation was so so so so strong daat tia ahuja always needed sonya ray to console and woo her.....or to manaofy her dad.....its because sonia was like a mom to her...and everyone needs a mom...as for tia sumeet's relation no one claimed that they understood each other completely or could talk with each other on everything...how could they when sumeet wasnt even ard for tia most of her life...what was wrong if tia asked help from sonia who she looked up to and cared a lot abt....why was it daat ashi never ever once taken ne help fmr sumeet..at least she hadnt called him n cried her heart out..why....because she was never close to sumeet....did she ever truely spend time with him to get close to him for that to happen????..coz for her..her mum was more daan enough and she trusted her mum compltly to rest her pains on her n just her.........just coz u r d child doesnt mean u hav to obey to each n every thng.....ur parents can be wrong and only ashi has d guts to point it several times to sonya.......i agree whats wrong is wrong no matter what....but how many times has ashi accussed sonia and pointed fingers at her when she wasnt really wrong....sonia cared so much for ashi..covered up for her...stood up her...was that where sonia was supposed to have made mistakes?? learning is a mutual process and it doesnt depend on age..does it?...........as for sumeet tia..d basic trust was absent fmr d very bignning....again...trust develops with time...sumeet was never ard most of tia's life....the only love she got was from kailash kaka....u al might say its coz of d gender differance..but had tia loved him ardently daat gender differance wldnt hav matered.........sumeet had to lie to tia so many times...he had to lie to her abt pallavy initally..coz he cldnt share it wid tia..why..coz tia was very possesive abt her dad...and very imature too....i am guessing u forgot the time when tia tried to send sumeet on a date with gloria so that he would be alone.....again...yes tia was immature sometimes...but there have been times when she has show great maturity...and tia isnt the only one who has been immature...ranveer, ashi and uv...all of them have done that at one point or other...did a lot many ppl also point on when standing up for ashi that she was a skool/college student and she couldnt be expected to he mature and perfect all the time...then y expect it from tia??....they again tia was more upset about being lied about...about this being hide from her...not about there being someone in her dad's life...this was the only point she always highlighted as well...in case u forgot....dere r umpteen amnts of examples where both sumeet and tia needed help pf sonya ot understand deir relationship..in fact it was only coz of sonya daat d ice broke between father n daughter...again...because they had never spend enough time with each other to understand each other....u cant expect their relation to the the same as ashi and sonia who had spend all their life together...sonia was their for ashi always...making time in all the acting....sumeet didnt do that ...he moved his office home to spend time with tia only after she went into college..season 1 start......but in case of ashi sonya..dey never needed a third person..yes vipul had interfeared..coz all he neede to do was to realize ashi her feelings..i mean...ashi had joined maurya..just n just to be wid her mum..maurya whihc was a jail for her a nd she hated lamost everyyytng abt it......yet she did dis for her mums sake...... what more proof do u want of her love for her mother.........just by providing money and clothes n makeup one doesnt becomes a good parent .....sumeet realised that and thats y he moved his office home..and just by obeying to d so called rules n regulations one doesnt becomes a good daughter.....does continuiously accusing someone whose only focus is u make one then??....d strength of ne relation cmes frm d ability to handle each other widout d help pf neother person...if u see the later part ....tia and sumeet worked on handling everything on their own...they talked to each other to clear things...like when girls and boys were staying together and sumeet was upset....or when sumeet misunderstood that tia and ranveer had kissed......to love each other so much..daat u dnt need to be reminded in every visit daat u love d person......actions hav always spoken much more daan words..and same goes for ashi sonya........which by far hav been d best ever expression of mother daughter love showcased ne damm where................didnt it say that tia loved sumeet a lot when she decided to forget her problems with ashi because she realised sumeet and sonia were lonely and would be happy together...wasnt that actions speaking louder than words as well in tia sumeet relation???

No offence implied to anyone.......its just a clash of views guys..i realy dnt intend to hurt neone...but i wld not leave ne scope to defend my ashi uv.............

Originally posted by: lamina

I really really really want to know how AY fans define intensity and passion....!!! because according to some of u its putting feelings into action...for some its not physical at all...its emotional

please please please let me know what u mean !!! for some its the fights...for some its just not showing it...for some its 'some' actions....

..would be really helpful if u also highlight some scenes to help understand....because at this point in time the definations seem to be contradicting one another!!!...may be then it will be clear to us where this AY intensity and passion really is....

sure....will define n explain intensity n passion for u....

well acc to u...n acc to some other stereotypical ppl..."passion" is defined only by immense physical actions...n extreme cuddling...n hand-holding...n stuff like tht...well let me also tell u tht...ther's a very thin line between tht kind of passion...n lust...(u hav forced me to use such words here) neways, so do u want to call TR romance as passionate...or full of lust?? ...wen u want to say tht passion is all abt being physical?? N the intensity of the feelings(acc to u) can only be defined by returning so-called gifts...or by staring at each other...by cuddling together in corridors...the intensity of feelings is wen the person u love rejects u...n yet u cant do nething abt it....yet u cant stop loving him...yet u cant giv up on his friendship....tht's intensity ( as shown by Yuvi in the scene wher Ashi says No to Yuvi) n as u constantly complain tht Ashi doesn't hav any intensity of feelings...well,her intensity of feelings was very much evident wen she came to kno abt the "bet" incident...n she broke down...the scene between Ashi n Sonia...if tht's not wat u call as intensity...then I dunno wat u consider as intensity of feelings....its not difficult to go away frm the person u love...yet she did tht....

Jus coz Ashi doesn't show it always...doesn't mean tht her feelings r not intense...if crying ur heart always n showing ur feelings 24X7 defined the amount of feelings u hav...then 80% of the males shud be considered as heartless humans...coz they jus dont show their feelings...!!!

well...AY passion is something really really beautiful...n yes...its the compilation of everything tht u hav stated above...their passion is in their fights...their emotions...their true understanding of each other....their every action...their every small deed they do for each other...the wat they stand against each other jus to correct the other person....its all the proof of their true love for each other....n passion only arises frm true love...n being physical is not the only way of showing it...n if u think tht being physical with each other has got lot to do with being passionate abt each other...then let me tell u...tht maybe u still havnt come out of the "mills n boons" era...!!!

Jus coz they're not holding hands n cuddling each other 24X7 doesn't mean tht AY r not passionate...the way they show their passion is diff....n if u dont hav the vision to see it...then I think u r really unfortunate...

just by calling urselves angels and shwoing ur bond to d whole mauryaa😡...by a sleezyy kis😡s...does not mean daat u deserve to be called d best of frnds........for daat u need attitude...and

can you please explainthis term sleeezy ... what is so sleezy about tias frienship kiss.. do you even the know the meaning of that word.......and if so how is that implied to tia and her friends.

Originally posted by: mads

sure....will define n explain intensity n passion for u....

well acc to u...n acc to some other stereotypical ppl..."passion" is defined only by immense physical actions...n extreme cuddling...n hand-holding...n stuff like tht...well let me also tell u tht...ther's a very thin line between tht kind of passion...n lust...(u hav forced me to use such words here) neways, so do u want to call TR romance as passionate...or full of lust?? ...wen u want to say tht passion is all abt being physical?? N the intensity of the feelings(acc to u) can only be defined by returning so-called gifts...or by staring at each other...by cuddling together in corridors...the intensity of feelings is wen the person u love rejects u...n yet u cant do nething abt it....yet u cant stop loving him...yet u cant giv up on his friendship....tht's intensity ( as shown by Yuvi in the scene wher Ashi says No to Yuvi) n as u constantly complain tht Ashi doesn't hav any intensity of feelings...well,her intensity of feelings was very much evident wen she came to kno abt the "bet" incident...n she broke down...the scene between Ashi n Sonia...if tht's not wat u call as intensity...then I dunno wat u consider as intensity of feelings....its not difficult to go away frm the person u love...yet she did tht....yes its difficult to stay away from the person that u love...but what abt when they make amends...isnt it true love then to forgive them...didnt uv try to make amends...true love doesnt have place for stubborness or ego..dont u think? tia forgave ranveer even after knowing that he was there to take revenge....ranveer forgave tia after the whole misunderstanding thing...because their love was more imp to them then ego...if ego becomes more imp than true love....then what happens to the passion that arises from that love??....

mads ...u were the one who said intensity and passion was action...so i asked u what did u mean when u said actions...acc to u intensity of feelings is when one person reject u and yet u cant stop loving them....well by ur own defination that TR are very intense then...not because they look into each others eyes...not because they cuddle...because when they broke up...when they felt that they had been betryaed they still continued to love eachother..always...when tia thought ranveer was dating her for some revenge and later on when she found out abt it..or later on when raghu wrote that letter in ranveer's handwritting..in each case she thought ranny didnt love her..yet not once could she stop herself from lovign him...just like ranny who continued to love tia even when he thought she had gone out with him for a bet .......even then they couldnt stop being there for each other when the other one was in real trouble..was hurting....then as per ur definations TR are really intense about their feelings ....and it wasnt easy for TR to be away from eachother then ...but even they did it...

according to me love between two ppl is intense when u have so much love in you for that person that u cant hide it in u anymore....it comes out...through expressions..whether its emotionally or physically is based on the person that u r....and if i look at AY from this perspective...i see uv's expression of his intensity...but with ashi its extremely rare...

Jus coz Ashi doesn't show it always...doesn't mean tht her feelings r not intense...if crying ur heart always n showing ur feelings 24X7 defined the amount of feelings u hav...then 80% of the males shud be considered as heartless humans...coz they jus dont show their feelings...!!!

well...AY passion is something really really beautiful...n yes...its the compilation of everything tht u hav stated above...their passion is in their fights...their emotions...their true understanding of each other....their every action...their every small deed they do for each other...the wat they stand against each other jus to correct the other person....its all the proof of their true love for each other....n passion only arises frm true love...n being physical is not the only way of showing it...n if u think tht being physical with each other has got lot to do with being passionate abt each other...then let me tell u...tht maybe u still havnt come out of the "mills n boons" era...!!! again...y r u assuming that tia ranny love is restricted only to cuddling or staring...

for me passion is something that u hold above u....more imp than u....something that u give urself to....so if its passion for music...its when u can give urself completely to that art....when its passion in love...its surrendering urself to love...to the feeling of love within u...and this doesnt have to be physical...yes passion is related to true love...

true love is having the courage to be urself ,with all ur imperfection, with the person u love...without the need to put a brave front...and know that their feelings for u wont change no matter even if they c u at ur worst....its being ok with being vulnerable in front of someone...allowing them to see ur weak side...ranveer and tia know each other's imperfections...many a times they share their insecurities only with each other no one else....when ranny lost the volleyball match...tia was the only one he shared his hurt with...and tia was the only one who understood it without him saying it....everyone else was roaming ard pissed at vicky...he has been vulnerable and broken down with tia when she told him abt his dad...no one else ...she was there understanding him and supporting him....tia too lets ranveer know abt her imperfections...accepts them with him...something she wouldnt do with everyone....ranveer too knows what tia truely is..he know that under the facade of fashion and make-up she is really a emotional and simple girl at heart...this isnt something which she lets everyone see ....and something which not everyone has bothered looking at....yes they have stared at each other...yes they have cuddled...held hands...but thats not the only way they have expressed their love...tia and ranny too have the courage to point out to each other when they r wrong...they saw each other broken down, hurt, angry...at their worst...and yet they couldnt stop loving each other then

with ashi uv..uv is ok being vulnerable with ashi....with letting her see his imperfections....but ashi usually isnt...she has to be strong always...even in front of uv...she isnt exactly comfortable with him seeing her weaknesses

Jus coz they're not holding hands n cuddling each other 24X7 doesn't mean tht AY r not passionate...the way they show their passion is diff....n if u dont hav the vision to see it...then I think u r really unfortunate...if u feel that tia ranny passion n intensity is only abt cuddling n holding hands or being physical...then even u dont have the vision to see their love or to accept that their love is true....then even i think you are really unfortunate

Originally posted by: aparna_1988

just by calling urselves angels and shwoing ur bond to d whole mauryaa😡...by a sleezyy kis😡s...does not mean daat u deserve to be called d best of frnds........for daat u need attitude...and

can you please explainthis term sleeezy ... what is so sleezy about tias frienship kiss.. do you even the know the meaning of that word.......and if so how is that implied to tia and her friends.

...exactly aparna....