~!@!~ThE uLtImAtE WiNnErS~!Ashi-Yuvi!~ - Page 10

Originally posted by: coolniyu

hallo 😛
sooo the talk is abt real n unreal is it..i bliv i myself strted tht topic in the opening pt of this deb8 😉...plz dnt mind bt im not gonna play quoting quoting bcos im too lajee 😆...will jst type up evrythin i feel abt hw real or unreal evry1 frm the crial is 😉
well so far ay fans hv bin saying tht tia wears too much make up so shes unreal..and tr fans sed tht no no she cares fr her frnds so she is real.....well if u ask me its the other way round..bcos she cares abt make up n looks she is real and bcos she cares so mch abt her frnds she is sort of unreal 😆...w8 ill explain tht in a bit...ill jst examine each of the foursome in increasing order of "reality" shall i 😛:

ranny:
contrary to wht evry1 says,tht tia is most unreal and ashi is most unreal, i think ranny,by far,is the most unreal of the four 😕...the reason being is tht hes so darn good...think abt it...hes an extremely loyal n faithful son,brother,friend...agreed he was brought up in an extrmely simple environment,and hes got a deep rooted set of principles frm wich he'll never waver....fine, thts all well n good...but isnt thr even a limit? thr seems 2 b no bad quality in him 😕...bliv me i thot n thot but cudnt cum up with one single bad thing abt this guy....so isnt thr anything lyk being TOO good? yea hes broken the rules so many times he was willing to do anything to revenge the person he thought was the cause of his dads deth...but still in the whole picture hes one of the most saintly charecters and i find it evr so slightly unnatural..so my rating on the reality scale fr ranny would be 4/10
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Originally posted by: smritisashi

waoooo...awesmely stated..umm..mads.......daats d same point which i have made in my replies.....daat wenever tia ranveer had broken up dey had always hated each other..so much so daat dey couldnt even look in each other eyes.....speaking doesnt even cme in d question...dere were so many times wen coz of deir problems...remix suffered.......rember d time wen ashi uv were planing a remix concert in deir joint presidents party...daat time both tia and ranveer were unwilling to perform together.....but ashi uv had never let deir personal fights disturb other thngs.......dis was very much proven in d ashi ranveer sceen just after d elections wen ashi says daat she hates uv so much daat she cld quit d band...yet she couldnt coz d band needed dem........daats d level of maturity reflected in dese two carechters..........and what moree........d first break up said it all........ashi had forced herself and uv daat cme what may...deir past wouldnt affect deir frndship...and dey wld continue to be wid each other in good and sad times.. ...........in ne relationship...like is d most important thng.......as d saying goes.......lust is easy...love is difficult...but like is d thng which matters.........and ashi uv liked each other so much daat deir break ups and heart breaks couldnt cme in between deir frndship................

............and ye many people hav called ashi rude..and self centered and selfish.......but i want to point one tng out......daat she was d one who was d most phillanthrophic of all...she had a real real real soft heart which was vulnerable to d miseries of others.......remember leo........its not easy to luve a street child just like daat...and certainly its not easy to love him so much daat her mum gets convinced to adopt him.......and what she did for d old age home was seen by all........not only dis she was always always wid her frnds wenever dey needed her.........rember d sanganer concert...it was only by her moving and inspiring speach were dey able to collect 47 thousand rupees..........adding a mare 3 thousand rupees to d huge amount and den hiding it as if u hav done smethng grtt...was shear silly...dose three thousand rupees could hav been added by neone present dere.....sid ashi uv varun pre...all were awesmely rich.......but widout ashis speach d real amount wouldnt hav been collected............so dere wouldnt hav been ne need for d three thousand added by tia........

gr8 point u've put across smriti.👏........now thts the beauty maturity n uniqueness of my fav couple 4 u........n tht bit of diff btw ay n tr as smriti has mentioned(wich i hav highlighted in red).......gives an idea tht ay cud b really silly n two lil kids at most times......bt even after a break up......remaining frnds n being ther 4 each other n importantly nt letting it affect nebody else or the band is the greatest maturity two individuals can share wich tr lacked !

Originally posted by: aditya_rikh

hey where are u all(t\r fans). 😆 seriously it is getting almost 10 on 1.
i seriously haven't got much time to reply to each and every point raised out here.and as far as uniqueness is concerned,point raised by divyashimix(divya...i guess).
why is it that anybody has to be unique to be loved,to be better.
clicheis boring ,but is loved,and it is cliched only because it has been loved again ad again. again n again untill wen ??😕😆😆dusnt stagnancy cum after a certain point......untill wen r we supposed to see same old..... rich girl poor guy stories........u urself said it cliched is boring🤢

it has beeen reiterated that tia\ranny are an old fashioned romantic couple,and i agree.so where is the point of uniqueness crop up. k does tht mean u hav accepted tr hav got nothing unique😉

waise i'll try to put a bit more into tyhe debate,answer a few questions tomorrow

kk im here supporting TR even tho i havent visited the forum in so long..

• yes i agree tr is cliched to some extent.. as in rich girl and poorguy fall in love.. but even AY is completely cliched. i mean how many stories have we read about a bet beween two guys to see if they can go out with a girl..and then the guy goes and falls in love with her actually and then she comes to know about the bet.. thats enough cliched as well.
• and how can u say that yuvi ashi never let their personal problems disturb anyone? if you dont remember, they would constantly abuse each other when ashi came back from her 'confinement' (after sid told her that yuvi did all this cuz of a bet).. and the concert i sanganer was a success ONLY because tia and ranveer played.. as soon as they heard their song, they realised that this is more important than anything else.
• and tia ranveer have been given much more footage than ashi yuvi. they had more fights and jealousies but thats only because their love is a lot more passionate.. everytime they try to forget each other they somehow manage to fall in love all over again.. that never happened with ashi yuvi. i mean sometime in the middle they didnt even show the ashi yuvi whistle background for some months.doesnt it mean that their relationship isnt strong enough?
• and ranveer is NOT unreal.. he came to maurya with a fierce determination to take revenge on sumit ahuja.. how can that be unreal? yes he was too saintly i agree , and yes they showed way too much about it. but what we fail to understand is his pain for which he is doing everything..at the end he did realise that he had made a waste of every search.. but it was all because of his damn ferocious love for his father,.. and i dont see how that is unreal.. now ashi SHE IS unreal.. i mean cumon she uses sarcasm as a defense mechanism. she doesnt want to show anybody how she feels..she acts like a complete brat thinking she is superior to everyone.. that is unreal. it clearly shows evryone that she is pining for something and her atitude is only a cover up for her very unstable character.
• nd coming to mads's point.. how is ashi yuvi's relationship different at all? best friends turning into lovers is practiclaly the case everywhere... they are different like the north and the south pole and as i mentioned in my first point, everything in their relationship is cliche. yes tia ranveer;s relationship is cliche as well.. but the major difference is that it was intense. i mean all the crying epis where tia returned ranny's gifts and stuff just showed you howintense it was, and how passionate they were for each other. they defied all the un written rules in the imaginary so called rulebook of love by dating milions of other guys and girls.. but they always came together.. and never did one of them forget the other..

phew! im tired.. i hope i didnt offend anyone 😛 and i wud be back with some more defense later😳

shreyasi

Originally posted by: devilangel

kk im here supporting TR even tho i havent visited the forum in so long..

yes i agree tr is cliched to some extent.. as in rich girl and poorguy fall in love.. but even AY is completely cliched. i mean how many stories have we read about a bet beween two guys to see if they can go out with a girl..and then the guy goes and falls in love with her actually and then she comes to know about the bet.. thats enough cliched as well. .......hey....as far as i rember daat bet lasted for mare two weeks....right.......and remix for two years.......ashi uv had much much much more in deir lives daan just one bet.......daat bet came and was forgotten wid time.....and den dey moved on to more mast funa and adventure.....but tia ranveer were still stuck in d old saga of melodrama........ d how can u say that yuvi ashi never let their personal problems disturb anyone? if you dont remember, they would constantly abuse each other when ashi came back from her 'confinement' (after sid told her that yuvi did all this cuz of a bet).. and the concert i sanganer was a success ONLY because tia and ranveer played.. as soon as they heard their song, they realised that this is more important than anything else......well dis realization hit dem only when ashi uv were smart enough to think of a romantic song to woo deir emotions.....what does dis proves....before na jane dey had sang remix...but ranveer tia had no emotions for deir own title song which was supposedly d national anthem for remix.....dey were so irresponsible and at such a crucial stage....so much so daat coz of deir lack of interest d crowd had almost started hawlling and dispersing....den it was only n only ashi who had stopped d people from abundoaning dem....... so precisely had ashi not been dere..daat concert wouldnt happend only......agreed ashi uv have had deir own set of problems......but dey always knew how to deal wid it effectively and maturedly....... and tia ranveer have been given much more footage than ashi yuvi. they had more fights and jealousies but thats only because their love is a lot more passionate.. everytime they try to forget each other they somehow manage to fall in love all over again.. that never happened with ashi yuvi. i mean sometime in the middle they didnt even show the ashi yuvi whistle background for some months.doesnt it mean that their relationship isnt strong enough?.......well...i dnt knw what to say.....u hav certainly hit d wrong chord.......ask d ashi uv fans how we felt through all dose months.....neways m not here to braag abt my anger and despair ovr d injustice done to us......but all i can say is daat even wid d minimal amount of footage given to dem....dey could show us d deapth and d intesity of deir carechters...i realy wonder at times daat had dey ben given more screen space dey could have only added to d blissful magic which ey hav created.......i am realy surprised daat tia ranveer needed so much of lime light to prove deir love to the viewers so much of space.....daat ultymately dey ended up d space of remix itself.......its a well knw fact daat d season 2 of remix had a very bad rating in terms of trps.....and coz of daat it ultymately had to be wound up.....as u said urself daat dey were d main focus coz of deir ontense love.....guess d intensity was too much to digest.............all i want to say daat dis is no basis to judge d amount of passion and vigour in a couple......it was all and all shrishty arays fault.... and ranveer is NOT unreal.. he came to maurya with a fierce determination to take revenge on sumit ahuja.. how can that be unreal? yes he was too saintly i agree , and yes they showed way too much about it. but what we fail to understand is his pain for which he is doing everything..at the end he did realise that he had made a waste of every search.. but it was all because of his damn ferocious love for his father,.. and i dont see how that is unreal.. now ashi SHE IS unreal.. i mean cumon she uses sarcasm as a defense mechanism. she doesnt want to show anybody how she feels..she acts like a complete brat thinking she is superior to everyone.. that is unreal. it clearly shows evryone that she is pining for something and her atitude is only a cover up for her very unstable character.........unstable.....how can ashi be unstable....she doesnt even wear heals..........well if u call beeing independent.....brave and strong to be unstable....den yeee she was compltly unstable.....coz dese qualities were d highest in her amongst d entire lot......i myself am tired of qouting d incedents in which evry body had cme out of troble just anddddd just coz of ashi....u call being straight forward as unstable den yee she was one....coz cme what may she did not have it in her to stoop low and talk abt people behind deir backs.....nebody can talk behid bac but it needs lot of curage and carechter strenght and stability to hav d pwere to tell ur frnds deir bitter truth.....compliments r not rarely found...but one who can criticize u at d right time is ur true frnd.....and daats what ashi was.....always........true honest........and she never hid her true self from neone.....she was always crystel clear.....to her mum.....to uv.....to vrinda..to mp....to ranveer....it was just daat she prefered to fight her own battels....rather daan making a fuss abt filthiest of things as a nail paint.......and to gauge ashis feelings all one neede was to step out of deir self centered world and look in her eyes....which always carried her truth.....
• nd coming to mads's point.. how is ashi yuvi's relationship different at all? best friends turning into lovers is practiclaly the case everywhere... they are different like the north and the south pole and as i mentioned in my first point, everything in their relationship is cliche. yes tia ranveer;s relationship is cliche as well.. but the major difference is that it was intense. i mean all the crying epis where tia returned ranny's gifts and stuff just showed you howintense it was, and how passionate they were for each other. they defied all the un written rules in the imaginary so called rulebook of love by dating milions of other guys and girls.. but they always came together.. and never did one of them forget the other.. passion and intensity are two very subjective thngs..and dey cann differ for every individual....for me dere cannot be a better and more passionate expression of luv daan daat of ashi uvs......in case of tia ranveer it was nothing more daan staring nd romantic dances and dinners.....frankly.....life has much more to it daan just mare chemistry......and ashi uv depicted many many many phases of life beautyfully....

phew! im tired.. i hope i didnt offend anyone 😛 and i wud be back with some more defense later😳

shreyasi

no offence implied to neone....and m happy finally smebody came forward to fight....

Originally posted by: devilangel

kk im here supporting TR even tho i havent visited the forum in so long..

• yes i agree tr is cliched to some extent ( r u serious when u say some extent...I mean have u read all the previous posts...there r more than enough reasons given above to prove that it wasnt cliched to some extent....infact just giving it a benefit of doubt I can only say that mabbe it was real only to some extent.. as in rich girl and poorguy fall in love.. but even AY is completely cliched. i mean how many stories have we read about a bet beween two guys to see if they can go out with a girl..and then the guy goes and falls in love with her actually and then she comes to know about the bet.. thats enough cliched as well. sorry but I dont agree to this as well....agreed that mabbe it could have been shown in some movie or something once in a while...but I wouldnt call it cliched.....cliche is something that u see every now n then....n the rich girl poor guy stories have been going on ever since the film industry started.....n they r being shown even now.....whereas honestly I dont think the bet thing that u have brought up is actually shown or has been read abt to such an extent....also what u 4get is that leave alone the revenge part...every other aspect of the tr relationship was cliched.....u see it in every kekta show....but with ay everything was different n unique.....for details read the previous posts
  
• and how can u say that yuvi ashi never let their personal problems disturb anyone? oh really..ppl were actually affected....this is news to me.....if u dont remember not a single person has ever come forward to help them with their personal problems....mabbe ranveer did at times....but it wasnt like he was spending sleepless nights over it....eventually it was only ashi n yuvi who supported each other thru out whenever the other faced any probs...be it the divorce of yuvi's parents...or ashi getting to know the truth abt her father...or even the bet for that matter....it wasnt as if the entire maurya high is only thinking of sorting out their differences leaving aside everyting....like they did for tia n ranveerif you dont remember, they would constantly abuse each other when ashi came back from her 'confinement' (after sid told her that yuvi did all this cuz of a bet)..I already replied to this....like I said I dont think anyone spent sleepless nights over them..trying to resolve their their differences....so I dont think their abusing eachother affected anyone in anyway and the concert i sanganer was a success ONLY because tia and ranveer played.. as soon as they heard their song, they realised that this is more important than anything else Again I wanna just ask u one thing...r u serious.....I have the vid if u wanna watch it....my dear the whole point here is that if ashi would not have convinced the public to stay back not a single soul would have been present to listen to their song after the fiasco tht tia n ranveer made of the Remix title track....so tia n ranveer making the show a success is nonsense.....as for tia n ravneer giving more importance to their song...well ashi n yuvi were generous enough to play that song or else the so called realisation would have never occured
  
• and tia ranveer have been given much more footage than ashi yuvi. am glad....am really glad that alteast one tr fan is honest enough to admit this they had more fights and jealousies but thats only because their love is a lot more passionate..well I have just one thing to say to this....if acco to u more fights means more passion then I dont think anyone could be more passionate then ashi n yuvi...coz no pair in the history of Indian Television would have had as many fights as ashi n yuvi did....so there u go......n mind u ashi n yuvi's fights were even more than tia n ranveers fights n jealousies combined everytime they try to forget each other they somehow manage to fall in love all over again.. that never happened with ashi yuvi.well u know what shreyasi they never fell out of love to fall back again in love....the only means thru which they knew to show their love was thru their fights.....n they fought with eachother right from the start of the show till the end....be it their serious fights to bring each other bak on the right track or the cute lil funny fights that they had so often....that was the basis of their love for eachother.....n so like I said falling in love once again is out of question coz they never fell out of love 😳i mean sometime in the middle they didnt even show the ashi yuvi whistle background for some months.doesnt it mean that their relationship isnt strong enough? well u mean to say playing the pairs background music actually signifies the strength of a relationship😕.....how bizarre is that.....n anyways rather than playing the ashi yuvi whistle tune for every damn scene of theirs so that ppl get bored of it....like they did of the tr background score I prefer it to be this way.....coz since it wasnt played so often it was far more special to the ashi yuvi fans...n they enjoyed it to larger extent too.....n I think the no. of posts that ppl would open everytime it was played...reflected it😳
  
• and ranveer is NOT unreal.. he came to maurya with a fierce determination to take revenge on sumit ahuja.. how can that be unreal? yes he was too saintly i agree , and yes they showed way too much about it. but what we fail to understand is his pain for which he is doing everything..at the end he did realise that he had made a waste of every search.. but it was all because of his damn ferocious love for his father,.. and i dont see how that is unreal.. now ashi SHE IS unreal.. i mean cumon she uses sarcasm as a defense mechanism well who doesnt use sarcasm in todays world.....n moreover I disagree that she was sarcastic all the while....she was more of the kind who would call a spade a spade n theres nothing wrong in it...I have defended that aspect of her character already in my previous post. she doesnt want to show anybody how she feels well she does that only when she is sad abt something....if something is disturbing her....n I dont think theres anything wrong in it...dont u hide things from ur mom n dad when u think that it would upset them....but whenever she was happy abt something...whenever she achieved something she displayed her feelings openly....infact she was an open book....whether she was happy or she was sad one could read it thru her eyes....she could never hide anything esp from her mom n her close friends like vrinda n ranveer what was needed was only the vision to read it..she acts like a complete brat thinking she is superior to everyone well theres no question of thinking...for me she was superior to everyone 😳...n as for the brat part...well she never acted like a brat...she was a brat...for her life was having fun...playing pranks....doing mischief....enjoying life to the fullest...n if u look arnd u ...u will notice that 80% of the ppl r like that....n if her being a brat can help remove ppl like mitra from college...can make ppl like yashwant dev straight...can sudhrofy jumbo then whats wrong in being a brat.....if this is hte case then she has full right to be superior to everyone... that is unreal. it clearly shows evryone that she is pining for something and her atitude is only a cover up for her very unstable character.complete misinterpretation of her character on ur part.....wish I could defend this but I would have to make a really long post for it...n cant do that right now
• nd coming to mads's point.. how is ashi yuvi's relationship different at all? best friends turning into lovers is practiclaly the case everywhere..ha...this is where u go wrong.....theirs was never the case of best friends turning into lovers...u think they were best friends in season 1..they were more like enemies...but they then fell in love n then remained as best friends....so u see its not the same case as u mentioned... they are different like the north and the south pole and as i mentioned in my first point, everything in their relationship is cliche. yes tia ranveer;s relationship is cliche as well.. but the major difference is that it was intense. i mean all the crying epis where tia returned ranny's gifts and stuff just showed you howintense it was, and how passionate they were for each other. they defied all the un written rules in the imaginary so called rulebook of love by dating milions of other guys and girls.. but they always came together.. and never did one of them forget the other..well for me returning someones gifts n sobbing doesnt prove the intensity of ones love....and for the dating bit...well if ur love is so intense....if u stare at eachother endlessly for hours on end.....then y date other ppl...even when they were dating other ppl their staring continued......n they werent forced into dating other ppl.....tia wasnt under pressure to date arjun...she could have left him anytime.....ranveer wasnt under pressure to date reva or shyla....they dated them just for hte heck of it.....n so I dont think this in any which way proved the intensity of their love

phew! im tired.. i hope i didnt offend anyone 😛 and i wud be back with some more defense later😳

shreyasi

Originally posted by: anvesha rulz

firstly SHREYASI ---- AWESOME REPLY!!! 👏

now lets come to the points of discussion

1) CLICHE: hmmmm so AY story for the guy betting on the girl and then falling in love with her isnt cliched....!!! ok lets give egs of some movies.....tezaab, afsaana pyar ka, barsat, yadon ki barat (it was the girl who bet in this one)...this are just some movies that come to my mind..serials have follwed this track as well...but hold on....this is not the only cliche in AY story..its also about girl n guy meeting...then fighting like crazy first and then falling in love....i dont think i need to mention any movies on this one...there are loads of them....if not movies...every single kekta kapoor show has this story in it....i accept that TR story is cliched...but that doesnt make AY story any less cliched either

2) AY breakup impact: did we forget poor Sid here who got stuck in their fights so many times...or did we forget vrinda!!! ashi and uv didnt spare one occasion to fight...they didnt even leave rehersals out of it....ranveer might not have spend sleepless nights over AY problem...but neither did AY spend sleepless nights over TR problem....when AY spend that one night on TTMO...TR spent it on the romantic date for AY and the letters and what not

3) falling in love out of love...etc...i will differ slightly with shreyasi here...in saying that TR never fell out of love...even when they tried to hate each other be angry with each other..they never succeeded at that...they could not stop themselves from loving eachother not matter what...they would get hurt seeing the other person with someone...but still couldnt hate eachtother....even when they dated eachtother....they could never truely care abt the new person....couldnt get over each other...AY one the other hand seem to manage to do it pretty easily....uv was actually bothered when shyla liked his friend...or when latty didnt turn out like her wanted her too...TR had never bothered abt that...they could never truely focus on the new person...with uv ashi...there were so many times when the went back to "i will kill u" mode that its hard to say that they didnt fall out of love...they just stopped caring about each other as more than friends...and sometimes even as friends...like when they were only focused on revenge as was the case with the tennis match or the spider...AY might have fought more than TR but their kind of fighting was only passion to win not passion toward eachother...they would get really unsensitive/uncaring towards each other during these times...enjoying hurting eachother....that really bothered me

4) Ashi-unreal : i dont think ashi is unreal....but she is also not someone that i would want to be friends with..and this is just my opinion...but even i agree that she has a big superiority complex....she thinks she is above everyone and like to put everyone else ard her down...mock them...i could have tried to understand her being sacrcastic with tia...she was enemy acc to ashi...or even pri..who she constantly called motiroli inspite of knowing that this was a problem for her...may be because she was enemy camp...may be uv fell in the same camp acc to her....but where did her mom fall then...her mom truely loved her...yet ashi hurt her so many times...hurting sonia once or twice would have been a mistake...what do u call it when it happens over and over again....ashi hit on her prof because he was interested in sonia...she continued to go after puneet even after she knew he liked her mom...she brought such a situation that sonia had to think of leaving the country....she published in new paper that sumeet abused sonia....what was that!!! forget sonia...ashi has so many times be so involved in her problems that she never saw the major problems that her friends were in ....most of the times she needed to be told of this...even when she realised she was in love with uv...there were so many times when she put him down....why do that then??? she has been called brave and someone who is willing to take risk for her friends in that switching id case...but wasnt she risking uv and ranveer's lives then...not her own really...and if she cared abt them..shouldnt she have been more careful....afterall...its one this risking ur own future...but something else risking the future of ur friend and the love of ur life....its said that such times require quick action....would that be the case even if it meant u destroy the lives of those close to u....what would have happened if they were never caught...uv would have ended with sci degree and ranveer with arts because they were attending classes in each others name...would that have solved anything....if the plan had worked and they hadnt been caught..what was uv going to do with the sci deg...how can ranny actually going to make a career studying sci when he had a arts deg at the end of maurya??? acc to ashi she is always right....she never accepts that she is wrong...anything which she doesnt like ends up being a point to rebel..without even realising that not everything she hates is necessarily wrong....even vipul prof pointed this out to her...

5) intensity of love: intensity of love may not be in staring at each other...but i feel its surely there in case when u hurt when seeing the other person hurt...when u would rather that u go through the pain than the person u love...when not being able to be with that person hurts....there is loads more to intensity in love....and TR showed this always...all these things...in AY only uv showed this to some extent....it didnt would be really bothered when ashi was upset...with ashi when uv was upset...it would more or less be freinds kind of advice....she was ...a slight bit sad...but never hurt hurt when uv was hurt....as for tia dating arjun....she did that partly to get over ranveer...or rather try to get over thim..and partly to show him that her life went ahead aft his revenge thing....she wanted to stop dating arjun...but she was scared because arjun had warned her that he was going to hurt ranveer..there was a time when she would be really scared and ask ranveer if arjun did anything to him...as for shyla...ranveer never dated her...abt reva...he dated to make tia jealous...just like uv dated latty and shyla to make ashi jealous...ashi too just like tia dated aditya to get over uv...

so lets go over the ashi-yuvi romance once again

they had a complete hate to love relationship.. and tell me how is that not cliche? i mean in basicaly all the tv serials in the indian television its hate to love..ekta's KTH sujal kashish for ex. they hated each other's guts, and then suddenly there was a bet by sid and yuvi.. and lo and pronto! they fell in love. isnt that cliche? and smiritisashi.. the bet was the reason.well more or les.s. why they fell in love. and that is one of the biggest cliches of twenty first century.. and when you say that they dont let personal problems bother the others.. again this proves how wrong you can be. i mean take for example the holi scene. ashi and yuvi got into a fistfight almost and ranny and the others had to come separate them. and i bet that didnt ruin the oh so festive mood.

and ok lets forget background music and eye contests and talk about reality. what, may i ask, is so real about ashi? she is obviously quite emotionally disturbed if she feels the need to be sarcastic to everyone for everything.. i mean ok i agreee tia is a snob and takes wayy too much time for girly things but that doesnt giv u any right to be sarcastic about everything. how many times in the serial has she directly answered a question with the relevant answer.. maybe twice or thrice. after sometime it just gets worrisome you know.. only some one unstable could use so much sarcasm as a defense mechanism.. its reverse psychology that whenever youre too angry or too happy or too sarcastic its because you want to hide how you feel. and the only time she let it show was when ay broke up after the bet thingy.. and vrinda understood her..granted.. but it toook a hell lot of persuasion and she has insulted vrinda to be a goody two shoes so many times. i mean you do not insult your best friend like that... if it were me, i would've slapped her and gone.. but that again is my opinion. i never once said that short dresses and stilettoes are real, but ranveer is.

ohh.. and when we talk about the sanganer concert.. for god's sake, they just had a fight a few minutes before that where they hurt each other by denying each other's feelings. so how can you say that they will be in cheery and on cloud nine spirits for the concert. and also tia helped ranny monetarily which was her sweet way to make up for everything.. it still shwoed that she cared for him.. unlike yuvi who didnt even invite ashi to the beach house of sid for eg. because of 'revenge'.. they took revenge way too many times on each other .. and it sounds distinctly ekta kapoor familiar. (again KTH.. kashish married sujal to get revenge on piyush's death)

and one more imp point is that no one even cared to think how TTMO or other things done by ay could hurt tr. i mean ranveer was seriously hurt when he realised that the leter wasnt written by tia. did they stop to think about that? NO. all they thought about was to get them together, not caring how many people they hurt in the proces.. they tried to get tr together loads of times.. and thats one of the reasons why tr got more footage. and tia only tried to set ay up a few times. and that didnt hurt anyone.. the idea was just ridiculous. and no matter how cliche it was.. one thing good about tr was that they cared about each other enough to give them the first priority which is more than what i can say about ay.

shreyasi

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now lets come to the points of discussion

1) CLICHE: hmmmm so AY story for the guy betting on the girl and then falling in love with her isnt cliched....!!! ok lets give egs of some movies.....tezaab, afsaana pyar ka, barsat, yadon ki barat (it was the girl who bet in this one)...this are just some movies that come to my mind..okie no doubt that they had that bet story… but that dosen't mean that AY story is clichd… as ashita said…clich is something that is showed over and over again…well in this bet case… u mite hab seen it but not over and over again …and whereas TR being clichd goes… well I can give u list of movies where a rich girl falls in love wid poor guy or vice versa…serials have follwed this track as well well I don't know ne tv soap that did bet thingy except Remix…i.e. AY's story…and infact I would say that serials have followed track of TR story…or TR hab followed the track of those soaps… nd I could even name them… well no doubt that all of the kekta soaps have like a rich gurl luv poor guy or vice versa...but hold on....this is not the only cliche in AY story..its also about girl n guy meeting...then fighting like crazy first and then falling in love....i dont think i need to mention any movies on this one...there are loads of them....if not movies...every single kekta kapoor show has this story in it...well I do agree tht it was kinda same but the plot of AY was totally different and so I don't agree that it was kinda clich… Basically in this movie stories… the boy luv the gurl from the beginning or gurl luvs the boy from the beginning but the other person doesn't because of their ego…so they fight with each other… but AY's story was kinda different than tht….i accept that TR story is cliched...but that doesnt make AY story any less cliched either

2) AY breakup impact: did we forget poor Sid here who got stuck in their fights so many times...or did we forget vrinda!!! ashi and uv didnt spare one occasion to fight...they didnt even leave rehersals out of it...Well if you forgot…then let me remind you that their fight is one of the reason that's making them special… and I don't think I need to tell more coz we already discussed that how important their fights are….ranveer and tia might not have spend sleepless nights over AY problem...but neither did AY spend sleepless nights over TR problem...Yes they did! And we already said to you that how many times they helped TR… when AY spend that one night on TTMO nd even after their 2^nd break up… UV did try to patch them up....TR spent it on the romantic date for AY and the letters and what not jst that!!! Romantic date and letters… and that too coz remix was ending… or else we all know that they all wouldn't even hab bothered to do that!!!

3) falling in love out of love...etc...i will differ slightly with shreyasi here...in saying that TR never fell out of love...even when they tried to hate each other be angry with each other..they never succeeded at that...they could not stop themselves from loving eachother not matter what...they would get hurt seeing the other person with someone...but still couldnt hate eachtother....even when they dated eachtother....they could never truely care abt the new person....couldnt get over each other...okie then why did tia put ranveer into so much trouble…by helping arjun…nd y didn't tia trust ranveer in that kidnap thingy? AY one the other hand seem to manage to do it pretty easily....uv was actually bothered when shyla liked his friend...u mean kevin? Well…tht's how uv's nature is… and for ur kindly info. He wasn't bothered that she liked Kevin… he was jst upset coz she cheated on him or when latty didnt turn out like he wanted her toowat part you talking bout? And ya he was never really interested in latty or shy… it's jst how he is…and well we all know how he is…so I needn't say nething...TR had never bothered abt that...they could never truely focus on the new person...well I agree…but never did AY could focused on other person… it's jst tht they aren't showing it…but you could jst tell…with uv ashi...there were so many times when the went back to "i will kill u" mode that its hard to say that they didnt fall out of love...well if they go bak to tht…doesn't mean tht they did fall out their luv…they were still in luv wid each other…and you can jst say and we have proven this many times… how many more proof you want more? Well if you still want we can give you… we have no prob. they just stopped caring about each other as more than friends...and sometimes even as friends...okie then tell me who helped uv to get his guitar back? Who was opposing UV in elections jst to get him on right track? Who was there wid uv when he missed his mom? Who was there wid ashi when she came to know about her father? Who was there wid ashi wen she missed sonia in December? And there are many other cases where they helped each other being friends and showing their love for each other! like when they were only focused on revenge as was the case with the tennis match or the spider... AY might have fought more than TR but their kind of fighting was only passion to win not passion toward eachother...they would get really unsensitive/uncaring towards each other during these times...enjoying hurting eachother....that really bothered me okie I would like to tell you that y we like AY fights… well I don't know…but their fights are sooooooo cute and silly that they make you laugh and their expression are way too cute… they show their love towards each other at the end of their every fight… and as far as Tennis Match nd the spider thingy goes… well I do agree tht ashi shouldn't hab done to uv…but being a egoistic gurl… she couldn't bear someone insulting her game! And tht's wat made her do that… even that spider thingy… well ashi punished yuvi nd uv took revenge and ashi took revenge wid uv…well we all luv this circle…it's sooooo cute and phunny!!! And if you see that cute fight at resort…the way ashi hugged uv saying "I miss u baby" well…this is wat we all AY fans like… their cuteness in their fight… and I certainly not agrre wid you that their passion is to win… well if you see their fights… you will find the passion of their luv towards each other… and which is wat we luv a lot…AY show their luv in each nd every way…weither wen they where dating or were fighting or were enemies or jst frnds… n as far as TR fights go…it's way too dramatic… I mean c'mon… season 1 was still tolerable…but season 2 was too much… slapping…kidnapping and stuff!!!

4) Ashi-unreal : i dont think ashi is unreal....but she is also not someone that i would want to be friends with..and this is just my opinion...but even i agree that she has a big superiority complex....she thinks she is above everyone and like to put everyone else ard her down...mock them...i could have tried to understand her being sacrcastic with tia...she was enemy acc to ashi...or even pri..who she constantly called motiroli inspite of knowing that this was a problem for her...may be because she was enemy camp...may be uv fell in the same camp acc to her....but where did her mom fall then...her mom truely loved her...yet ashi hurt her so many times...hurting sonia once or twice would have been a mistake...what do u call it when it happens over and over again...well I do agree tht she did hurt sonia a lot of times…but this is wat Mom and daughter's bonding is…nd I do relate to ashi nd sonia's bonding… nd I can say not only me… mostly every teenage gurl will relate to this bonding…nd ashi nd sonia's relationship is very pure… they do fight wid each other…do get upset with each other… ashi do get jealous of her mother but at the end of the day…they are their to stand for each other… and I would say…that they are the most real pair of remix…yes even real than AY… I mean I just can't understand that y you pointed out Ashi nd Sonia's relationship as it's like sooo real… well I just don't want to say more…as I can write thesis on their relationship .ashi hit on her prof because he was interested in sonia...huh? wat professor? she continued to go after puneet even after she knew he liked her mom...well tht's coz she was jealous of her mom… I know tht she did wrong…but as well said tht ashi learns from her mistakes she brought such a situation that sonia had to think of leaving the country...Well I am saying this now like 10^th time tht ashi learns from her mistakes…nd yes this was the mistake she did nd she did apologize to sonia later….she published in new paper that sumeet abused sonia...well I know tht she didn't published that…it was sum1 else… I don't remember who… but I am 100% sure tht she didn't did tht…well sonia did doubt on ashi… but ashi jst wish…😉😆.what was that!!! forget sonia...ashi has so many times be so involved in her problems that she never saw the major problems that her friends were in first of all think before you say!!! Wat u mean by she never saw problems of her friends? Well she was the only one who hab been wid her friends whenever they needed… u name it… vrinda…MP…tia…ranveer…pri…sid…aman and many more yaar… I mean u can't say tht she ignored her frnd's problems…nd u r jst bringing one topic again…we already cleared out tht how much ashi did from her friends… ....most of the times she needed to be told of this...even when she realised she was in love with uv...there were so many times when she put him down....why do that then??? she has been called brave and someone who is willing to take risk for her friends in that switching id case...but wasnt she risking uv and ranveer's lives then...not her own really...and if she cared abt them..shouldnt she have been more careful....afterall...its one this risking ur own future...but something else risking the future of ur friend and the love of ur life....its said that such times require quick action....would that be the case even if it meant u destroy the lives of those close to u....what would have happened if they were never caught...uv would have ended with sci degree and ranveer with arts because they were attending classes in each others name...would that have solved anything....if the plan had worked and they hadnt been caught..what was uv going to do with the sci deg...how can ranny actually going to make a career studying sci when he had a arts deg at the end of maurya??? acc to ashi she is always right....she never accepts that she is wrong...anything which she doesnt like ends up being a point to rebel..without even realising that not everything she hates is necessarily wrong....even vipul prof pointed this out to her...well now I m tired of saying this that ashi learns from her mistakes!!! And even she agreed tht she did a mistake… nd she was ready to accept it!!! and I don't think I need to tell more…coz ashita's post said it all… nd if you didn't cleared tht out…than too bad for you…coz ashita's post was the most clear post without any flaws.

5) intensity of love: intensity of love may not be in staring at each other...but i feel its surely there in case when u hurt when seeing the other person hurt...when u would rather that u go through the pain than the person u love...when not being able to be with that person hurts....there is loads more to intensity in love...and TR showed this always...all these things...in AY only uv showed this to some extent....it didnt would be really bothered when ashi was upset...with ashi when uv was upset...it would more or less be freinds kind of advice....she was ...a slight bit sad...but never hurt hurt when uv was hurt...yesh you are very right tht u get hurt wen the person you luv is in pain…but tht doesn't mean tht you always have to show that you are in pain too… and tht's was ashi is trying to do… she do get very hurt…but instead of showing it… she is facing it and giving advice to UV… and that shows that how much concerned she is bout Yuvi… Ashi is someone who finds best friend in luv… and so is uv… so tht's why instead of showing pain…they try to stand for each other and support them… as for TR well they never stand for each other…they always cried nd do dramatic stuff… but never stand for each other… .as for tia dating arjun....she did that partly to get over ranveer...or rather try to get over thim..and partly to show him that her life went ahead aft his revenge thing....she wanted to stop dating arjun...but she was scared because arjun had warned her that he was going to hurt ranveer..there was a time when she would be really scared and ask ranveer if arjun did anything to him...as for shyla...ranveer never dated her...abt reva...he dated to make tia jealous...just like uv dated latty and shyla to make ashi jealous...well let me 1^st make clear tht uv never dated shyla or latty… it was just one day date…ashi too just like tia dated aditya to get over uv...and as far as aditya thing goes…yes she did this…but she never hurt uv using aditya like tia did with ranveer…

Sorry if i was rude!!!