WHY Shantanu Finally Scared The Hell Out of Me - Page 4

Originally posted by: napstermonster

If this Shantanu track is done right-- he can then be the Rudra in the mirror. The darker shadow of Rudra's hate, the darker version of Rudra's own obsessed love -- The demon-Rudra who is truly the version of the man in need of that psychiatrist's card.

Originally posted by: napstermonster

So far, He hasn't killed anyone.

Now, that is a perfect Villian. No wonder, we were sold to Thakur sa's potrayal in the first few episodes. But given Shantanu ji is here on a mission, to murder people, emotionally, tear apart their lives, while he smiles, with his dimples, deepening, he does now count into being a villain.

If anyone has been seriously damaged by his plans, it's been himself. And yet, today, Shantanu, for me, graduated from mildly irritating interruption to the Parud romance, and moved onto becoming full-on scary. And its not because of what he almost did-- its because of what he almost said. Welcome, Baisas, to my second analysis of the Rangrasiya's strangest villain, and the focus of my recent obsessive interest--Dimples McHulkman, Officer Shantanu Kumar himself.

Well, with what one says, is something that intrigues you, wouldn't it be easy if we could skype and not type 1000+ words wale long replies! (What we say is more important than what we do, as in type, our actions)😆😆 Sorry about the really lame, PJ. Kindly excuse.

Well, Shantanu ji has caught your attention, and you now have caught all of our, undivided attention. The very first line shows how deeply you are in awe of this character and are making us fall in love with him/or hate him to the core! (Typing as I read along, if not making any sense, kindly ignore)

At this point, I think we need to make peace with three things about the villain that were completely unknown until today's episode. Things that will affect PARO and RUDRA. Because now, frighteningly, Shantanu has started to interest himself in their lives, and not just in their deaths. Please bear with me if I cover old ground--- when someone interests me, I go deeep...

Shantanu ji is here to break the couple, for revenge, and is trying to be mysterious, charming and would do the damage, before anyone suspects a thing. (That is his plan, at least according to him, so his getting to know the couple on the first hand basis, getting all his doubts cleared,is going to help him execute his mission/operation faster and more sleekly)

(1) He IS a BSD officer: Had he been an infiltrator, a man who has murdered the original Shantanu to take his place, when he's talking to himself in his monologues, he would not have called himself "Captain." He speaks of himself with his title.Had this been an assumed identity, why would he do that when he's talking to himself? A slip-up by the CVs? It's a glaring one if it is, and I don't think it is that. The CVs are actually not too sloppy on this show, you won't see many bloopers in the surprisingly tight writing on Rangrasiya's script. He calls himself Officer Shantanu Kumar for the same reason Rudra addresses himself as Major Rudra Pratap Ranawat. Because that's his identity, his title. BSD.

Okay, so some say he has impersonated, but all your arguments, clearly conclude, otherwise.

I humbly beg to differ, I haven't watched the recent episodes, and for some weird reason I think might have an unbiased view.

If he were to infiltrate, don't you think he would be shaatir/smart, uttering things like Captain, Officer etc as it would give him a boost, to his self-confidence, that he may actually pull off something like this, without Rudra suspecting a thing. He might be trying his best to maintain the identify he might have stolen.

Given, he is not a BSD wala, but has done his fair part of the research, he would know Rudra and his Kaki sa have sharp ears, and would loom around, lurk around and if they hear him utter a single word, that could make them suspicious, then they would use it to their advantage, given the right opportunity and would strike back, see Shantanu ji's plan fall apart.

In short, he got so crazy or obsessed with the real Shantanu and actually believes he is, and is taking the convincing part to whole new level of perfection.

He did/does have VK Singh ji, Aman and the entire BSD under some sort of spell - Make them believe their own work (background check) was authentic and he is just a mastermind playing with their minds, too, Don't you think that would make him the smartest and most handsome villain in Indian TellyLand?

Hope I managed to stay at point and not deviate, I do tend to get confused and confuse others very easily.

Then there is the language he uses, very army like--- he refers to his "mission" when he is speaking of driving Rudra insane or when he talks of his "operation" when it comes to killing Paro. Of course, then there's the fighting skills, where Rudra, the strongman from the Baraat scene cant hold onto him. That speaks of army training. Finally, I trust V K Singh's words, and Aman's diligent background checking, even though they have clearly decided to piss me off by NOT giving me Cutie Pie Aman on TV--- ASR ki Aman ki tarah phone pein hi kaam chalana hoga. So V K Singh AND Aman have done background searches and are confident in Shantanu's abilities, and in his records. Those records must contain pictures, mission details. People who know him must be people V K Singh spoke to, to have this much confidence in the man. In this day and age, it's not exactly easy to replace someone permanently and not get caught.

Okay, I am going to carry on, to try to, lay an opinion - Shantanu ji might not be a BSD wala, even if he was, he might be disgruntled one, thrown out from the academy type, officer.

His language, that is a total giveaway, bang on observation, Napster ji!

But the same word is used by crazy fanatics, people with an obsessive nature, who want to get the deed done, and wouldn't mind getting professional training in martial arts! 😆😆 That is taking the imagination, too far. But please, bear with me.

Okay, so we know he is Varun's brother and is too, maybe from the Sarhad Paar, so he might have learnt how to combat, as a civilian, wanted to protect his village, from all the wrong-doings and then he learnt about his brother being murdered and that turned his passion to vengeance. He then, maybe wanted to justify his brother's crime, make peace with it, prove that all of that was sham - In short, he was the "Paro" then, refusing to let go and assume stuff.

So he took the initiative and learnt things and carefully planned the revenge - And yes, in my silly terms, that was was/ is his "mission" - Get justice for his brother, Varun. So in the attempt, he may have approached VK Singh ji's friends, enrolled himself in the BSD, to garner army-like, officer skills, and got banned, maybe intentionally, got himself suspended, having the "operation" was to be conducted by him alone, and now, he had got to learn a trick or two and was going to use/implement this newly-learnt expertise. In this deal, he got to know the loop holes, network with people, who he could use later to conduct his operations.

So how could he be caught, when indirectly he is on the side of the BSD, put the bad ones, behind bars, it doesn't make sense now , as his HitList has the wrong names on it!

Oops, I forgot I was arguing he is impersonating, and may be isn't the real Shantanu.

Okay, in that case, he must have know the actual Shantanu quite well then. The MG (mysterious guy we do not know his real name, in this case) would have been a normal civilian, a person who knew about Thakur and his evil plans, ensuring the secret remained so, for 17 yrs, until the real Shantanu, the concerned, wise, pada-likha, sheri returned fellow, (like NK type from IPK) figured stuff out and this MG made sure things were "taken care off'. Courtesy : Thakur sa's orders/His own villiage panchayat.

Okay so making a man disappear, with Thakur's guidance, was easy - Blame it on the BSD. The actual Shantanu gone, with the evidence he may have collected and the MG takes his roop, effortlessly, and to live up to the expectations, and to maintain the authenticity of BG check he had a face transplant, thus convincing VK Singh ji and Aman. (This being the extreme case, when logic is thrown out of the window!)

With ideas flying in all the possible directions, and clearly making no sense, I would like to move on, without bothering you any further.

(2) He does NOT know anything about Parud : Beyond--- "murderer =Rudra" and "wh**e= Paro." Nothing about them, as people, or about their love story. That's strange, if he was aware about Varun's entire death story, he would have to know that Rudra guarded Paro to keep her safe, to be a witness to his arms smuggling case, where the main suspect was her dead husband, Varun. If he was a part of Thakur's terrorism circle, wouldn't he already know all this anyway? Every last man working with the Thakur knows what happened at the Baraat Massacre, and its aftermath-- including how, and why, Rudra and Paro are together now.

Okay, Rudra's plan was to fake Paro's death (an extreme plan, giving she refused to say anything, sign papers etc) and make everyone believe the last witness is dead and the case is closed, which temporarily convinced Thakur and Thakurain. So the suspect - dead, witness - now, all dead. So basically case, closed. So if Shantanu was keen on finding out what happened, and he was a non-BSD wala, he too would have been fooled and landed on the same conclusion. Simple as that.

So he being an a caring person, let's assume, wouldn't let things go and would dig further, until he uses his inside sources to find out Paro is alive. He does not immediately strike.

He waits, gets his facts straight, tries to target Thakur, for having conducted the marriage procession that got his brother murdered and then Rudra, like you brilliantly point, murderer. Even Paro, did mention the same a few days back, when Rudra is furious, that she married the guy who killed her so-called husband etc..

All I am trying to point out, with anyone XYZ on that scene, who is not in the BSD would truly believe that Rudra, hastily took the shot, put an end to all of it, irrespective of the outcome, he was protecting a civilian, Paro. To be honest, Paro did not actually witness the murder, she had barely opened her eyes, it was the gun shot she heard, that terrorized her and then, he knew he had a witness, and his mission hadn't failed entirely. She was the piece to his puzzle, even if she refused to nudge.

So staying on point, Shantanu obviously falls into that XYZ category and did not/does not know the entire story. He was a brother who knew about the mishap, refused to attack immediately and chose his moment wisely, maybe had his eye on PaRud there after and waited for the right moment to strike - when PaRud would fall in love, live a happily married life. He would then create havoc and make them, maybe feel the guilt, confess etc.. Thus having his "mission" accomplished.

So yes, he knows everything about PaRud that he is SUPPOSSED to know, to help him dissect their relationship, just as he can humor himself, knowing they have paid the price for his brother's death.

Today, Shantanu asked about how Paro ended up with Rudra--Their love story, their background, why she married HIM. If he knew what his brother was doing with Paro, and why he was killed, and how she ended up with Rudra, why was he asking, with genuine curiosity? He is starting to see the difference between the two people he's here to kill, and he has started asking questions about WHY these people are together, anyway. Previously, Paro's life story did not matter -it was enough that she was Varun's evil, shameless widow, and she deserved to die for betraying his sainted brother. Today, he asked her--- WHY..and that is hugely scary.

Okay, Varun was a manipulator, he spoke lies, got some us to fall in love with him, with his heart-felt sweet talk and pretty much legally married Paro. So yes, Shantanu must have been a victim of the same mellow talk, being he was a family member.

Being brothers, they do share a bond and when they grow older, they reach a certain stage, where they are mature enough to discuss their future - as in women, girls. So Shantanu, must have had this curiosity to know abt love, romance etc, with Varun giving him advice, he must have pictured someone perfect and would have eagerly waited for that moment, human nature.

So now, fast forwarding to the current scenario - he is drawn to Paro, giving he is meeting the girl of his dreams, so he cunningly, uses his brother's traits to sugar coat things, his feelings, intentions and is pretty much laying the ground for his future with Paro, having being over-confident, that Rudra might end up dead soon.

Her physical presence it making him vulnerable and he is not realizing the same, she is oblivious to all of this, he is trying to analyze, introspect to see if he is good enough for her, good enough as her Major Saab.

Okay, I have to be brutally honest, he might be falling in love, and he is going to regret it! The scary part is, Paro might fall for his sweetness, and term him as a brother! He has photographs, videos, and what not of the couple, while he is trying to remain focused on his "mission", but after getting to finally meet them, he thought he could outsmart the both of them, but the tough is just getting tougher and he is finding it harder to concentrate.

P.S - This part I completely forgot that he is an impostor, I went with the idea that he is the real Shantanu, here for revenge.

People have argued (brilliantly) that is Shantanu is a terrorist and a woman trafficker, he is not about to care about Paro's possible rape and destruction by Varun. He would not be able to see Paro as anything beyond Varun's property. Varun bhaiya ka cheez tha, aur escape kiya. Kafi hai, to hate the woman, to want to destroy her. But today, when he compares Paro, the deep, calm river, with the firecracker Rudra, he asks--- how did you end up with this man? If he knew anything about the whole Baraat episode--- where Varun was the man Rudra was protecting Paro from, or why Paro ended up a witness for Rudra, or even why Rudra killed Varun--- he'd be knowing the answers to why Paro and Rudra are together, too.

So who is this guy? Can he be trusted? Does he know Thakur? Did he know about the Sarhad Paar Scheme? Is he here to avenge Varun's death - with knowing the whole truth or not? What is the deal? These are some of the questions some of us are finding it hard to wrap our heads around. (At least me, I haven't watched the last 8 episodes or so!)

So first and foremost, all the baisas who have put forth the idea that Shantanu is a terrorist and had evil plans - 👍🏼 It makes sense, he is involved in the Thakur scheme, that would bring back the old story line, help maybe, introduce, the character Nandini and it's high time Aman gets some decent screen space. And if it's Aman bhaisa and Nadu jija romancing - Sune pe suhaga!

Senbon ji - Aap sun/dyaan de rahi hain na? This one was for you definitely!

It would be mostly a repetition of what I had said in the earlier para - Shantanu is starting to like Paro and is finding it damn hard to concentrate on murdering her as well Major Saab, especially when he trying to be like him. So he is using all the poetry he can get his hands on, afterall - It's the same Paro who melted, including us all baisas, when Varun ji tried his hand at the same! So yes, he is trying to gain her trust, some smart and wise baisas, have mentioned the same, and in the end, he is one going to pay the price for wining their support and trust!

(3) He is working alone, and that is because he is NOT a terrorist:Because the reason for his hatred is so personal, the way he's going about it is so... passionate... I simply cannot buy that the Thakur or some terrorist group is behind this man. The Thakur is a sensible man. Terrorism is... well, a group activity governed by checks, balances and some form of leadership structure, a coherent large idea. This man is absolutely unbalanced. No one is helping him. His motive is inside his own head, and its just one thing---revenge for Varun. There is no other sane motive here. Not getting evidence away from Rudra, not messing up the investigation, not killing WITNESS Paro. Nothing to fulfill the Thakur's agenda--- he did not even recognize Mala, and had he worked for the Thakur, or even been a part of Varun's baraat, he would have seen her.

I think, Varun's younger brother is a mad Indian Army Officer. That's it.No link back to Tejawat, no link to Sarhad Paar--- if later, he helps Rudra (long shot) or reveals Varun's other connections because he is confessing or has been caught, or whatever---those will prove to not be direct links to terrorism. The chances are high that he is, simply, a crazed younger brother here for pure revenge, who knows nothing about Varun's arms smuggling, women trafficking and general all round assholi-ness. And being, well, MAD, even when he finds out, he will want to ruin Paro and Rudra, because by then, twisted as he is, he'll want Paro for himself. He'll want some of that still, calm peace. And there is no man more dangerous than a madman in "love."

Okay assuming, like I did initially, with Shantanu not being a Varun's actual brother, not in the BSD and he being active member of Thakur's Sarhaad Paar Scheme, he is does have the agenda of destroying the BSD and more, importantly the officer responsible for putting an end to it.

So yes, in this case, he has no personal vendetta, but I would try to implement, fit it in.

Even if Thakur has retired and on the look out of methods of survival, the MG (mysterious guy) is not that smart enough to pull off the scheme and continue, given the lack of resources and man power. So yes, his only way of attaining satisfaction is use his mind, skills and take what is rightfully his, according to him, Paro. Make her pay, for having him silence his friend Shantanu, given Thakur was the initiator, Paro the bride for that wedding, and he did have an eye on her, but did not know things would end up this bad. So yes, in the dumbest way possible, he is back to get back Paro, and is a mad crazy lover and will do anything to gain her back, and that too after having make Paro shoot Rudra for some reason. (This is really random, out of the blue thought).

In short - Paro accidentally fires the trigger and Rudra is injured and she tries saving him, alas, its too late. The MG reveals he is not Shantanu, but a guy who is love with her and tries to console her, and his villianigari overpowers his aashqui/deewanapan gets her arrested for the murder of her Major Saab!! The rest well, I have 🥺 the hearts or all possible PaRud fans and you still want more?

And yes, loneliness is what triggers this guy to take extreme measures, because only a damaged guy as him would do such a thing. Guess, he did get what he wanted, indirectly, got his revenge and also lost everything.

P.S - I apologize Napster ji, for assuming far too many things, and ending up with botched up narration.

Is it possible that he is a mole inside BSD, and works for the terrorists of Sarhad Par? That would STILL mean, he is a BSD officer, and therefore, Indian Army. That would still mean, he would be a terrorist group member, he would know Tejawat, and be aware of the entire Baraat history and the Parud love- story. A lot of people have asked me this--- if big brother Varun lived Sarhad Par, why would his younger brother be in the army? Well...a million Indians live abroad, and settle there too, for years. Does that mean their homeland is not India, their passports don't have the Indian seal, and their family members, cannot live and work in the army, back home?

Okay, Shantanu being an accomplice and Thakur's right hand man, while being in the BSD, is pure genius - Thanks Napster ji!

Joining the Army/Armed forces, is based on individuality, and not family history. So yes, Shantanu might be the accha baccha in all this, joined the BSD and then, his family members using his position, his influence, might have blackmailed the guy, and benefited from the same, maybe even tempted him, by promising him Paro as his dulhan, if he kept feeding them the required info, or it could be the other way around, he misused, his power - as rightly stated by you.

Why can't Varun be a traitor, in the truest sense of the word---born Indian, but still an arms smuggler because he is evil? Shantanu can even be a young brother unaware of his older brother's true work. Varun can still be part of the smuggling ring--- it just makes him that much worse, if he is Hindustani and still working for Sarhad Par. I don't think Varun is FROM Sarhad Par--- he's not Muslim, for one. So one guy is a traitor in the truest sense of the word, and the other is a revenge maddened psychopath.

Varun, was definitely a part of the scheme, given he was ruthless enough to save himself by almost murdering his own bride, he knew Rudra would try to protect a civilian and would fall for it, so he was villianous enough, but he had no idea - Rudra was a bigger bad ass! V

Varun was a gaddar. He could have pleaded for his escape, maybe played along and say he has no part of the scheme and maybe even, fool Rudra that he was victim, instead, but he proved otherwise, by again, pointing a gun at the unconscious Paro, and ensuring he left and would dare to step again, in the same territory, given he was left alive. He did not remorse the loss of his fellow baraatis, he had to escape, he did not show, any shock, any sadness, any regret.

Wow, Napster ji, you summarized it so splendidly!

The Kumar Boys---just bad blood there, Baisas. Those had better be some damn fine dimples there, to make up for all this rot. Paro's life has always had Varun's death-shade hanging over it.Today, I realized--Varun is not the worst thing that can still happen to her--a man with this split a personality is truly a frightening enemy (and future stalker) to have. I am seeing a long run on this. Shantanu, unlike Laila, can stay as a good catalyst to Rudra's escalating, and permanent, need to protect and be obsessed with Paro, even after the Tejawat story ends.

Okay if Laila was in love with Rudra, that she didn't mind plotting his murder with Thakur, I am sure Shantanu is the perfect counterpart! What would blow our minds is if, Shantanu is working with Mala on this one!

Sure Rudra needs his daily dose to remind him that why he loves his wife, and why he is an officer protecting civilians first and then, a husband, given Shantanu has definitely crossed lines/boundaries.

If this Shantanu track is done right-- he can then be the Rudra in the mirror. The darker shadow of Rudra's hate, the darker version of Rudra's own obsessed love -- The demon-Rudra who is truly the version of the man in need of that psychiatrist's card. I'm liking this villain, Baisas. Dimples, layers, complexity, intellect, some good, competent acting. Dimples. Where do you ladies land ???

Okay - I would agree to this if Nandu jija is the darker version of Paro. Bas!

But I am loving the intricate way you blend characters, their personalities, and plus it would be a bonus to have the "BSD wala, ruthless" Rudra back in action, the romance is cool, but having Rudra - Rudra one on one - What a treat!

P.S - I am still to treat my eyes, with these so-called dimples! (I haven;t watched the episodes after the Teej, Paro on a jhula etc.. )

Let us assume that he is a BSD officer.

As far as we know, V.K Singh or some other higher ranking official has decided to bring in a new officer to protect Paro and they chose SK from Jammu for the job. I am sure it is not an advertised job. Does that mean that the opportunity just came knocking on the door for SK, who is about to take revenge on Paro and Rudra?

It is a farfetched coincidence, but I will buy it for time being.

General public may not know about Rudra's heroics at the border, the aftermath (BSD officers were killed in the operation) and Rudra's impending court martial. Am I wrong in thinking that other BSD officers have inkling about it? Meaning, SK is aware of some of it. No matter where SK is stationed, this is not a minor issue to go unnoticed in the inner circles of BSD.

O.K let us put this logic aside for a minute.

IMO1: If SK loves his brother and is out to take revenge. If he knows about his brother's death from the beginning, then it must be either through BSD channels or from someone who knows Varun and his so called wedding. In either case, being a responsible BSD officer (which we want to believe), SK must try to find all the details before taking revenge.

IMO2: If he recently found out about his brother's death, then, would a BSD officer in his right mind just go out to take revenge or find facts, work out a plan and then go out to take revenge? He already proved that he is not in his right mind by throwing a shoe/sandal on the cooker, in which he is cooking something to offer his dead brother.

IMO3: If he is a BSD officer and already knows about his upcoming job to protect Paro, then he should have been informed about Ranawats' move to a different mansion. He does not need to panic about it. Jobs of this nature will not be offered overnight right?

IMO4: Can anyone hide their terrorist activities from a loving younger brother that too, a BSD officer? Then I do not see a difference between SK and AnJHAli.😉

I did not read all replies to the original post. If I hurt anybody's feelings, I am really sorry.

Cheers...

Originally posted by: napstermonster

You know what? I never thought of that, actually-- though he does have orders from V K Singh to show Rudra, and perhaps he was hoping to frighten Paro one more time as a hooded stranger, and Rudra leaving threw him off.

To counter that though, we do have how he tracked Sunehri down right away (and that V K Singh checked into him, and confirmed his identity and his BSD track record). I think he was always planing to come into the Haveli, but maybe not so soon, and them moving forced him to come out of hiding and do his war directly from the inside--this is much riskier for him than being a stranger.


He started to establish the "trusted friend" routine with Suhneri immediately, which indicates he was planning his way into the house later on anyways, and simply moved up his plan to infiltrate the Haveli to deal with Rudra's sudden move.