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Posted: 11 years ago

#31

Our Jallad needs to give less power to his mom to hurt him , intentionally or unintentionally. Less breakdowns please, don't like Ashish's expressions when he cries. There is too much mobility in his facial muscles not a controlled contortion I would expect to see. Sorry that's me being a meanie.

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Sunara

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Posted: 11 years ago

#32

Originally posted by: MoronsKiMallika
Every suffering is different.

Every person's reaction to it is different.

Not all human-beings are made of steel. Not all human beings are candyfloss.

And to tell someone to 'Get Over It' is

INSENSITIVE.

PLAIN INSENSITIVE.

sorry Vicky i am annoyed and sorry for offending u.. with the disparity of portrayals i feel as if they r hiding and not showing her pain as they expect women to need less sympathy than men.

its not just this show.. i think i tried to generalize too without taking names as its not allowed here.. it was more about the portrayal of men with mummy issues in Indian shows these past few yes..

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CravingKhana

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Posted: 11 years ago

#33

Originally posted by: MoronsKiMallika
Every suffering is different.

Every person's reaction to it is different.

Not all human-beings are made of steel. Not all human beings are candyfloss.

And to tell someone to 'Get Over It' is

INSENSITIVE.

PLAIN INSENSITIVE.

I am actually shocked at this thread. Since when did pain and suffering become topics of debates and OPINIONS? Its such a de-humanized thing to do.

Errr Not that i am the mouth piece for the TM

but to her credit she is debating or rather commenting about the portrayal of a character...

and the lack in comparison of another and I assume that is up for debate and discussion

As in terms of opinion we go about making it whether it is OK or not...

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lovely

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Posted: 11 years ago

#34

Originally posted by: Sofna
I understand where you're coming from Sunara.

Rudra has been portrayed as emotionally fragile. He simply hasn't moved on from that phase in his life. It happens to many people. His only relief stems from the tears he sheds when remembering his mother. His occupation is an outlet to figh his inner demons, eliminating betrayers.

Women are emotionally stronger. We can channel our hurt effectively. But then again it depends on the person too. His father never attempted to console his young child, instead heaped bitterness over his raw wounds his entire life. We all need someone, somewhere to stroke our head & reassure us there is still goodness around & Rudra has never had that... is it unbelievable then that he cannot be a mess within?

I agree. paro knows the reason and has had a chance to grieve for her parents. She had a

Loving mami and sister in her life. Rudra had no one. Emotionally he is still stuck at the age where his mom abandoned him. If she had left letting him know the reason, he would be angry but would have gotten over it. You cannot compare paro and rudra's grief and pain.

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Guinea

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Posted: 11 years ago

#35

Sunara ...to be honest , a little shocked with your post.

He cannot " get over it " ...his whole adult personality is shaped by the incident which happened in his childhood . He is unable to form any relationships atall with anybody because of that . It has scarred him totally ...

Also in the context of the current story where he might be meeting his mother soon , it makes sense to show the scene of him linking the song with his childhood ...

Paro , inspite of losing her parents has grown up in a loving environment and except the nightmares she gets ...is not scarred as far as her childhood is concerned.

Yes , I agree with most that her pain should be shown too ...they should find a context to show it as well like the flashbacks when she was being dressed and she remembered her wedding with varunsa ...that makes for good viewing.

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Sunara

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Posted: 11 years ago

#36

Originally posted by: CravingKhana

Errr Not that i am the mouth piece for the TM
but to her credit she is debating or rather commenting about the portrayal of a character...
and the lack in comparison of another and I assume that is up for debate and discussion
As in terms of opinion we go about making it whether it is OK or not...

thanks for telling that! cz i was not belittling the pain., it was more about the portrayal as a whole on Indian TV series i have a problem with. NOT with the pain n their way of dealing! But more about the glorification of the male leads' (as in plural) pain and brushing away the pain of the female leads..(again plural)

i didn't take any other names here as we r not allowed to.. so i tried to generalize while keeping it within the show so that mods won't close it as comparisons outright r not allowed.

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vita93

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Posted: 11 years ago

#37

I have a two-sided feel to this point in particular. I'm guessing it has to do with one's coping ability. I mean it seema as though Paro has managed to cope with it well, given her loving circumstances. No doubt thoughts of her parents drive her to the point of fainting, but she has had a good support system. With her mausi, the Thakurain and so on. While definitely no replacement for her parents, they have loved her to the best of their abilities.

On the other hand, Rudra has been lived his life through harsh circumstances - I'm guessing he more or less suppressed any feelings he had regarding his mom's betrayal. And now that he's returned home, he has to deal with them all at one shot - his home, his family, his mother's memory vegera... I have no experience at all in such matters, but I guess it would take some time for a grown man to adjust too as well. It took his dad 15years to want to convince him women are ok - wonder what that must've done to him growing up.

On the flipside, I would definitely agree with you on the lack of Paro's development. At the very least if not for her dead parents, wouldn't she cry for the family she has been taken away from?? Don't give me the "headfast strong nari" pitch - strong doesn't mean stone hearted ok. If Rudra is one to break down behind closed doors, I don't see at all what is wrong with her shedding tears over her situation. No matter how well you seem to accept your fate, won't you at least remember them? And the wedding flashback don't count ok, that was just one event in a life she's lived - I'm pretty sure it won't kill to show some other aspects of her life she definitely misses.

As it is, the show is still young and there's much more to go. I'm hoping further tracks would allow him to resolve some of his issues with his mother when he actually comes face-to-face with her. And if not for anything else, Paro has shown to sympathise with him on that end - so she would probably be the one to help him tide through it.

Edited by vita93 - 11 years ago

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FascinatingSanz

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Posted: 11 years ago

#38

Originally posted by: Naach_Basanti

Men don't cry? When did men become robots?

😕 where did I say men don't cry ??????

I said I am annoyed because he cry often

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DiyaS

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Posted: 11 years ago

#39

I understand where you're coming from, Sunara ... I don't object to showing Rudra's pain, but I ALSO want to see Paro's hurt in this situation, where she is the victim on all fronts, and has no recourse to any comfort whatsoever. And today I definitely felt her pain was shortchanged ... so I also felt impatient with Rudra's tears.

The makers need to strike a balance ... they did it beautifully in the first few weeks of the show, but they are leaning too much to Rudra's side now ... and that is a big mistake, because Paro and her pain will connect more with the audience. More women watch these shows than men, and Paro's situation is something that many can relate to ... but it is being glossed over.

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tattle-tale

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Posted: 11 years ago

#40

Originally posted by: MoronsKiMallika
Every suffering is different.

Every person's reaction to it is different.

Not all human-beings are made of steel. Not all human beings are candyfloss.

And to tell someone to 'Get Over It' is

INSENSITIVE.

PLAIN INSENSITIVE.

I am actually shocked at this thread. Since when did pain and suffering become topics of debates and OPINIONS? Its such a de-humanized thing to do.

I don't think it's a question of dehumanizing Rudra, MKM.

Nor do I think the TM is debating his suffering-- she is commenting on his inability to deal with his pain and thereby how his actions are coloured by his past.

That seems like a perfectly legitimate thing to be talking about.

I am probably terribly insensitive, but I find myself tiring of this effort to wrench sympathy by giving the male leads a traumatic past, and milking it for time immemorial. Without going into the rights and wrongs of it, it is lazy story-telling.

I like the occasional hints they drop where Rudra is aware of how damaged he is. Those moments are rare and genuine. And it speaks of a more complex characterization process.

I am not going to compare Rudra and Paro-- they are two very different characters. But I do feel it is a valid point to consider when some viewers not only stop empathizing with the characters, but also start getting annoyed with their actions.

Are we slowing down too much? Are we being repetitive? Is the direction poor? Could the acting improve? I am certainly forced to consider these possibilities.

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