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Posted: 16 years ago
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Sorry Rupali, I could not post what I know earlier. I was sick and because of that I've was a little cranky too. I am better now and I will post what I know. I have not read all the posts on this topic. This is what I know about the Shiva-Sati story.

Tulsidasji has included this story (also found in other purans) in Ramcharitmanas also. I hope Sita11, if she is still on the forum, can post the dohas 48-103 which is where the story of Shiv and Sati is told. It looks like Tulsidasji wrote this story at the beginning of Ramcharitmanas.

Sati is actually the Divine mother or Shakthi who took the human form of Sati and was born as King Daksha's daughter. Daksha was a prajapati (mind born son of Brahma) and very arrogant. Sati also had another name Gauri because she had the golden color of tumeric or fair skinned. Sati was also called Daakshayini because she was the daughter of Daksha.

King Daksha wanted to marry her off to some great king but Sati wanted to marry Shivji. She knew that Shivji lived the life of an ascetic and decided to do tapasya to reach Him. She goes to the forest, against the wishes of her father, to do tapasya. There she lives the life of an asetic. In the course of her tapasya she lives on only one bilva leaf a day. Later on, she gives up even that bilva leaf and fasts; all the while doing pooja to the Shivling non stop. Because she gives up eating altogether to attain Shivji, Sati is also called Aparna.

Shivji is pleased and decides to marry her. Daksha is angry, because his daughter went against his wishes and married an ascetic like Shivji, and cuts her off from the family. He does not like Shivji and he is always insulting his son-in-law.

When Daksha performs the yagna he is supposed to honor all the Gods. He refuses to honor Shiva. Sati wants to go to the yagna. Shivji tells her that they are not invited and they should not go. Sati insists that she should go because invitations are not necessary between family members. Shivji is upset but does not forbid her. He refuses to go with her. Sati goes to her father's yagna and insists that her husband be honored in the yagna. Daksha is very rude to his daughter and tells her that he will not honor Shivji and he also asks her to go back.

Sati gets very angry at the insults of her father and decides to stop the yagna. She jumps into the sacrificial fire of the yagna. When she jumps into the fire, the yagna becomes impure and the yagna is stopped. Shivji becomes very angry at the loss of Sati and creates Virabhadra and Badrakali to destroy all the people at the yagna. The 2 ferocious creatures create havoc at the scene of the yagna. Shivji cuts off the head of Daksha.

Shivji is then supposed to have carried the charred body of Sati on his shoulders and does the raudra (angry) tandava dance. Since this would destroy all creation, the devas ask Vishnuji to intervene. Vishnuji uses his Sudarshana Chakra and cuts up the charred body of Sati into many pieces. The pieces of the charred body fall into the earth. The pieces where her body fell are considered Shakti peets and they have become pilgrimage centers. When this happens Shivji cools down. He then forgives all the people at the yagna and restores them to life. Even Daksha is restored to life and he is made the king again.

Before she jumps into the fire, Sati prays that she should be reborn again to a father who is worthy of her respect and not to a person like Daksha. In the next birth, she is reborn as Parvati (I think this means "of the hills" or something similar). She is called Parvati because she is the daughter of Himavan who himself is a great Shiv bakht. So, she gets a father she can respect in her next birth.

Sati, Gauri, Dakshayini, Lalitha, Parvati, Durga, and many many names are all different names for the same mother goddess we call Shakthi. Sati, Parvati, and such are just her human incarnations.

More to come...


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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Chandraketu

One problem I have with the 'vidhi ka vidhan' is that it makes sense to say that after a task is completed - be it successfully or unsuccessfully. To invoke 'vidhi ka vidhan' either before, or use it as an excuse to gloss over evil, defeats the purpose of either people undertaking anything in the first place, or provides a copout against punishment of evil.

Obviously, gods can't micromanage things, which is why they put things in 'autopilot', if you will, and only intervene when things become out of hand. Like Ravan. When he was busy supressing good in the world, nobody excused him on grounds of 'vidhi ka vidhan'. When Sita was abducted, Rama didn't just let it go on grounds of 'vidhi ka vidhan'. So why is it 'vidhi ka vidhan' when Manthara plots against him, or the Avadhis start slandering Sita?🤔 Answer: it isn't, if one goes by Valmiki; it is, if one goes by Ananda Ramayan or any of the other wack jobs out there.

Since this story isn't there in Valmiki, trying a rational explanation of this wacko creation by the Sagars isn't really necessary. In fact, I don't recall Rama saying 'Vidhi ka Vidhan' anywhere in Valmiki - does he?

When Lakshman returns to Rama (7-52), he tells him, "According to your orders, I have left Jaanakee on the bank of Gangaa, near Vaalmeeki Muni's beautiful Aashram, and I am coming back just now. Hey Raam, Don't be so sad. Kaal's Gati is like that. People like you should not worry too much. Treasures get empty, progress changes into fall, people meet to separate and the end of life is death. Therefore one should not have too much attachment to sons, friends wealth etc, because they are made for separation. You are able to teach to all Lok, then why you yourself are so unstable? Ideal people like you do not feel attachment on such occasions. When you can console other people then it is not a big thing for you to control yourself. therefore you be patient and feel strong."

That's very different from the 'vidhi ka vidhan' line that is religion to the Sagars. If we simply follow Valmiki, none of this junk from other sources need confuse us.



Yes, Chandra there is Viddhi Ka Vidhan in Ramayan I think. Need more time to find the reference I remember reading.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Story of Parvati:

After the "death" of Sati, Shivji goes into a cave and starts meditating at a place called Gangavatra in the Himalayas. At that time, the demons Tarakasur and Surapadma are devastating the earth. Shivji is needed to kill the demons.

At this time Parvati is already grown and she is very pious thinking of Shiva always. Naradji tells her about Shiva meditating in the caves Gangavatra. The place was supposed to have been very beautiful with the Ganga running near by. So, Parvati decides (with her father's consent) to serve Shivji. She serves him daily but Shiva is in a deep meditative state and does not notice her. Now the devas need Shivji to "wake" up from the meditative state to kill the demons Tarakasur and Surapadma.

They call Kamdev/Manmatha (god of love) and ask him to shoot an arrow at Shivji when Parvati is nearby. It is spring time in the Himalayas and the place where Shiva is meditating is described very beautifully. Kama goes to Shiva's cave with his wife Rati and shoots his arrow when Parvati is nearby. Only, Shiva becomes very angry and opens the third eye. Kama turns into ashes.

Rati is heart broken at the death of her husband. She asks all the devas and Parvati to bring back her husband. Parvati blesses her and tells her that Kamdev will be reborn and she will marry him. I think Kamdev is reborn as Krishna's son Annirudh in Dwapara Yug and he marries Rati.

Shivji smears the ashes of Kamdev on himself and disappears. Parvati is very upset and tells her mother that she will do extreme tapasya to attain Shiva. Her mother is worried for her but Naradji comes and asks her to do it. He also gives her the panchakshara "OM Namah Shivaya" to help her meditate. Parvati goes to the same cave that Shiva was meditating in before the appearance of Kamdev and starts her meditation and tapasya. She is supposed to have lighted fires all around her in the height of summer and eventually she even gives up eating altogether. The heat generated in the world by Parvati's tapasya becomes too much to bear. The devas pray to Shivji and ask him to take Parvati as his wife. Shivji decides to test Parvati. He goes to the place of her penance in the guise of a Brahmin and questions her. He then asks her why she wants to marry an ascetic like Shivji who smears ashes on his body and who has no material things to offer her.

Parvati is angry and defends Shivji. Shivji is pleased and reveals his true self. He then says okay to marrying Parvati. Since Parvati's father and mother are okay with it they give their daughter away to Shivji. From this union is born Karthikeya (worshipped as Muruga/Skanda in South India). Karthikeya becomes the head of all the devas and destroys the asuras like Tarakasur and Surapadma.

There are many versions to these stories just like other Indian purans and epics. I have written one version.


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Posted: 16 years ago
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Khalrika

Wasn't the reason for Daksha's enemity w/ Shiva an occasion when all the Brahmins did a major yagna at Prayag, and when Daksha entered, everybody rose to respect him except Shiva. Since Shiva was obviously superior to Daksha, he didn't rise, since Daksha's 'punya' would have been eroded had he done so.

Vidhi ka vidhan was certainly not there in Uttarkand. It may have been in Ayodhyakand, but I don't recall. But do let us know wherever you find it.

And thanks for your account of Sati above. Hope you're better now!

P.S. Kama-dev was born as Pradhyumna, and Rati, who was in search of him, took the form/avatar (not sure which) of Mayavati and took up service with the rakshasha Shambhara, who had kidnapped Pradhyumna from Rukmini when he was a baby. After Shambhara was killed, Mayavati married Pradhyumna, and their son was Anirudha.

Incidentally, when Shiva & Parvati were in love and conceiving Kartikeya, that was when and where the Budh-Hila story in the Ramayan took place.

Edited by Chandraketu - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Durga

Durga is just the warrior aspect of Parvati. She took this form to fight the demon Mahisasur. Because she killed the demon Mahisasur, Durga is also called by the name Mahisasuramardhini (meaning the slayer of the demon Mahisasur).
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Chandraketu

Khalrika

Wasn't the reason for Daksha's enemity w/ Shiva an occasion when all the Brahmins did a major yagna at Prayag, and when Daksha entered, everybody rose to respect him except Shiva. Since Shiva was obviously superior to Daksha, he didn't rise, since Daksha's 'punya' would have been eroded had he done so.

Vidhi ka vidhan was certainly not there in Uttarkand. It may have been in Ayodhyakand, but I don't recall. But do let us know wherever you find it.

And thanks for your account of Sati above. Hope you're better now!

P.S. Kama-dev was born as Pradhyumna, and Rati, who was in search of him, took the form/avatar (not sure which) of Mayavati and took up service with the rakshasha Shambhara, who had kidnapped Pradhyumna from Rukmini when he was a baby. After Shambhara was killed, Mayavati married Pradhyumna, and their son was Anirudha.

Incidentally, when Shiva & Parvati were in love and conceiving Kartikeya, that was when and where the Budh-Hila story in the Ramayan took place.



Yes, I think u r right. I did not write all the details just the broad version of the story of Shiv-Sati/Parvati.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Guys, please excuse the atrocious grammatical and spelling errors I am making while writing the stories. I am still kinda sick and I am not proof-reading my posts.
It is pollen time in the US and I hate spring time. My eyes itch and are swollen like ballons, I am constantly sneezing and I have fever. I am very cranky right now. So, if I write something weird, please excuse that too.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Khalrika

Looks like you need a daisy-cutter!!!😉😉😉

Just kidding - hope you fully recover. I know how it is - this time in Sunnyvale, there are some places just saturated with those pollens

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: Khalrika

Guys, please excuse the atrocious grammatical and spelling errors I am making while writing the stories. I am still kinda sick and I am not proof-reading my posts.
It is pollen time in the US and I hate spring time. My eyes itch and are swollen like ballons, I am constantly sneezing and I have fever. I am very cranky right now. So, if I write something weird, please excuse that too.

Hope you get perfectly well soon, Khalrika....... Dont bother about your proof reading. Most of us do not do it..😉.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Thanks Chandra and Deepa. I am feeling much better today. I am walking around with this mask over my nose. 😆 Now I know how that rakshas felt, the one who had Luv-Kush's arrows stuck up his nose. 😆

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