DOTW-Big confusion-Shiv-Sati story & Swayamvar BOw

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rupali pandey

@rupalip

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Posted: 16 years ago

First I thought to post in Doubts and Discussions thread
but I am full of confusion
so better discuss separately...

I m full confused
THey are showing SItaji telling story of SHiv-Sati to Luv-Kush 😲
but it all started only after Satiji met Ramji In Forest when he was searching Sitaji..
Ok may be later Ramji told all this to SItaji ...

but confusion is
Shiv ji after all this dint acccpted Sati Mata as wife
and started doing mediation
for long time
and after that all Daksha Yagya part happened...
so how come Sitaji telling all this
when everything happened simultaneously ....

Also abt Dhanush

From ananyacools post of Doubts n discussions
Virabhadra isn't shown at all I would have been nice if they'd shown
Shivji using a bow to destroy ,Daksha yajna and then Sitaji mentioning
that the very same bow was given to king Janaka ,which Ramji lifts
at Sitaji's swayamvar

How is it possible????

then how the Shiv-Sati Story started with
Ramji (when Ramji searching Sita mata)?

Please Solve this mystery .....

Edited by akhl - 16 years ago

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@chatterbox

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Posted: 16 years ago

mujhe nahi pata bhai

gyaani logon ka intezaar karo dear

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Radha nandhini

@cooljan

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Posted: 16 years ago

i am also having the same doubt .hope someone clears it for all of us😊

jai sitaram

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rupali pandey

@rupalip

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Posted: 16 years ago

Originally posted by: cooljan
i am also having the same doubt .hope someone clears it for all of us😊

Ya sure
I am also waiting ...
Well its there in Tulsi Ramayan that they worshipped Ganesh ji before anywork
and Ganesh ji is the son of Parvati Mata and rt noe in Ramayan Time
Sati Mata was the wife of Shivji
But like we know about Kalki GOD from books
so we can have his temple from now
and we can worship also
so same way
Ganesh ji was worshipped
This is just what I felt

rest we have great people here
they ll clear all

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MannMeRamBasale

@DamRyeong

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Posted: 16 years ago

yaar itna knowledge to nahi hai...par puri ramayan mein inhone shiv ji ko parvati maiyya k saath dikhaye hai....fir ab sati mata kahan se aa gayi????????

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akhl

@akhl

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Posted: 16 years ago

Long back in this forum and before that in Zee TV Ramayan forum I answered a question, which is relevant for this question too.
I will search for my answer. If I can find, then fine. Otherwise, I will type again.

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akhl

@akhl

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Posted: 16 years ago

Most of things were mentioned in scriptures even before they actually happened.

There is a story in Brahm-Vaivart puran that Lord Ganesh's one tooth was cut off in a battle with Parashuram. Parvati gets very angry. Lord Vishnu comes there. He says to Parvati that the name Ekdant is already mentioned in Vedas for your son. So Vedas contained the name Ekdant for Ganesh ji even before the incident because of which he got that name.

From scriptures, people came to know the story. Not only that, even though the scriptures were talking about future events, the tense used is past.

A question can be asked as to why past tense is used when the even will happen in future? There are several reasons for this:-
1. If we remember having seen something, then we say that it happened in past. Right? These scriptures were written by trikaldarshis, who could see future as if it already happened. So they used past tense.

2. Whether we say that the event already happened or we say it is happening at present or we say that it will happen in future - all of these are correct because of multiple universes and also because of similar incident repeating in different kalpas.

The scriptures talk about multiple universes. Ram's incarnation and many other divine leelas(plays) happen in these universes. Moreover, even in the same universe, Ram incarnation has happened many times.
So similar leelas happens in different universes and at different times in the same universe. But these leelas are not exactly the same. Major parts are same but there are also some small differences.

In one universe, Ram gets born. At the same time, in some other universe, he gets married to Sita. In still some other universe, he fights with Ravan. And so on.

Incarnations within same universe at different times also have some small variations (this is called kalp-bhed).

In one incarnation, Ram kills Ravan very easily. In some other incarnation, he seems to take more effort in killing Ravan. In some incarnation, he behaves very much like a human being. In some other incarnation, he shows more of his divine opulence.

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@chatterbox

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Posted: 16 years ago

wow avi

that is some detailed answer

i have one short statement

vidhi ka vidhan they all say

shivji tells now also whatever has to happen will happen its already there for them to do it

guess this cud be the basic meaning right

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akhl

@akhl

Dazzler

Posted: 16 years ago

Yup. Though it is a concept difficult to digest because vidhi ka vidhan and free will seem to go against each other.

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Vrish

@Vr15h

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Posted: 16 years ago

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One problem I have with the 'vidhi ka vidhan' is that it makes sense to say that after a task is completed - be it successfully or unsuccessfully. To invoke 'vidhi ka vidhan' either before, or use it as an excuse to gloss over evil, defeats the purpose of either people undertaking anything in the first place, or provides a copout against punishment of evil.

Obviously, gods can't micromanage things, which is why they put things in 'autopilot', if you will, and only intervene when things become out of hand. Like Ravan. When he was busy supressing good in the world, nobody excused him on grounds of 'vidhi ka vidhan'. When Sita was abducted, Rama didn't just let it go on grounds of 'vidhi ka vidhan'. So why is it 'vidhi ka vidhan' when Manthara plots against him, or the Avadhis start slandering Sita?🤔 Answer: it isn't, if one goes by Valmiki; it is, if one goes by Ananda Ramayan or any of the other wack jobs out there.

Since this story isn't there in Valmiki, trying a rational explanation of this wacko creation by the Sagars isn't really necessary. In fact, I don't recall Rama saying 'Vidhi ka Vidhan' anywhere in Valmiki - does he?

When Lakshman returns to Rama (7-52), he tells him, "According to your orders, I have left Jaanakee on the bank of Gangaa, near Vaalmeeki Muni's beautiful Aashram, and I am coming back just now. Hey Raam, Don't be so sad. Kaal's Gati is like that. People like you should not worry too much. Treasures get empty, progress changes into fall, people meet to separate and the end of life is death. Therefore one should not have too much attachment to sons, friends wealth etc, because they are made for separation. You are able to teach to all Lok, then why you yourself are so unstable? Ideal people like you do not feel attachment on such occasions. When you can console other people then it is not a big thing for you to control yourself. therefore you be patient and feel strong."

That's very different from the 'vidhi ka vidhan' line that is religion to the Sagars. If we simply follow Valmiki, none of this junk from other sources need confuse us.

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