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Kalapi

@Kalapi

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Posted: 12 years ago

#11

Koolsadhu, I am glad that you decided to come to this forum and share your thoughts on the current Ramayana. I am rather one of the few, who wants to hear a different version or the story that isn't told commonly. I am more interested with facts that aren't popular than just watching something blindly, for me understanding and appreciating a different angle in the story interests me more generally. Anyway, One of the things I personally feel is that when they show epics, the produces tries to villainize a character to the extent that it loses all qualities. To me, Ramayana is actually a political account of an epic fight that took place long time ago (Sorry, I know the avatar angle, but that angle was given by us human to coronate a hero). Now, of course, as a political drama, the side that wins the war will of course, glorify themselves and demonize the country they conquer. As far as I know, Ravan is held in high esteem among many people to this day, and find that a show fails to show a balance view'I rather like to understand the political environment for the story that unfolded and what might have lead to that ultimate war...

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Kalapi

@Kalapi

Dazzler

Posted: 12 years ago

#12

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000
It matters to me as a viewer . I have been asked this question twice by now and i can come up with only this answer . I see no reason why it should not matter to me coz it did not matter to some . And nowhere have i said that his love is as equally great and unconditional as Manodari's ...all i said is he loved her , respected her advice though did not always act on it and this was coz constantly he is shown as being irritated with her . They have made a similiar wrong caricature of Indra in Devon ka Dev Mahadev so i thought of mentioning this fallacy if Ramayan CVs r reading us . Instead i found that my post was interpreted as though i admired Ravana and explanations were advanced to me about how bad he really was . I know all that , my bad that i spoke up against a flaw i felt was being shown . No more on this subject , enjoy the show .

Koolsadhu, I hope you will post, I guess I am not that religious for I tend to take everything with a bit of salt and evaluate with my experience and my appreciation of my religion...I rather enjoy contrary opinion, even if I don't agree always, for it teached me different angle that I haven't explored...why can't we just be objective and talk about a show without being judgemental - in reality we do not know the other person's background...

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Incense

@Incense

Sparkler

Posted: 12 years ago

#13

yaa ofc everyone has right to express his /her opinion...likewise one could disagree to it...maybe i m the only person who didnt understand the significance behind cave scene...I didn't find anything wrong if lakshman protected sita in the cottage rather than hiding her in a cave...rest of the scene was in accordance with epic and they presented it exceptionally well...…Mandodari's role is short in the Ramayana but very important. She is described as a pious and righteous royal lad there is hardly anything special that Ramayana has written about her except that she warns her husband to return Sita and has enough influence to prevent him from killing her…in the epic mandodari appeared after sita's abduction Mandodari always stood by him. Even when Ravan's actions lead to the death of her son, she stands by her husband. She knows that he has terrorised the world and abused women by his excesses, yet she stands by him. She appeals to her husband to change his ways but when he refuses she does not abandon him. She separates her judgment of him as a man from her duties as a wife. By standing by his side, she does not condone his actions nor encourage them. There is a dispassionate detachment between her opinions and her duties... same is the case with ravana though he loved mandodari but he loathed her ideologies and her advice he didn't pay any heed to it until it was too late...

lets wait and watch how PH describe their relation we cant decipher their relationship by one or two scene…..and wen I say major version it implies valmiki Ramayana tulsidas ramcharitmanas kamban Ramayana krittivassi Ramayana ragnanthan Ramayana …….they are the major version it's a common fact….isnt it ?...

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Janaki

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

All i am saying is it is not necessary to show that he snapped at everyone he had a difference of opinion with ...in the Sita issue he had a difference of opinion with almost each family member he loVed dearly

Ravan had a volatile temper. I do not find the Sagars' depiction of him wrong, because Ravan insulted many of his family members who warned him in the issue of Sita. He insulted Kumbhakarn by calling him a coward. He kicked Vibhishan in the Raj darbaar and exiled him from his Kingdom. He insulted his own mother by accusing her of harboring cowardly thoughts despite having a son like him. He even insulted his maternal grandfather who advised him to release Sita. In fact, he threatened to kill Mareech (who was his maternal uncle) if he did not become an illusionary deer.

These incidents are all written in Valmiki Ramayan. After reading this much, do you think Ravan would have hesitated to yell at Mandodari whenever she counciled him to release Sita?

I am not saying Ravan did not love her. He did love her, and he may have even respected her wisdom as you mentioned, but in the issue of Sita, Ravan was not ready to listen to anyone. He criticized and yelled at anyone who differed in his opinion, including Mandodari, his mother, and his own dear brothers whom he also loved.

I respect your opinion and thank you for posting it in the forum😊, but it's just that in this issue I feel like the Sagars' depiction of Ravan is accurate. He was known for his volatile temper towards everyone in his family, including his own mother let alone his wife.

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koolsadhu1000

@koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 12 years ago

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I am not conjecturing anything here . For me it is no question or assumption of whether he would have yelled at Mandodari bcoz he yelled at so many people . I am talking only about the facts i read ...and the fact is she was the one person he did not yell at but heard out though he did not act upon her advice he knew what she said was the truth .

I have been told till now that

Mandodari is not at all that important and hardly mentioned in the Ramayana . I must have read a different Ramayana then. She is a very important character was what i mistakenly felt .

That he found her advices loathsome . He did not act on them but no evidence to show he found them loathsome . Infact there is a grudging admission that she is correct ...his strange relationship with her was one based on grudging respect ...there is no explanation for it .

I have made this post bcoz i found the depiction of Ravan flashy and typical ...i thought they would change the way he was depicted just like the graphics have improved . But nope . He is shown as flashy as before ...the typical hee hee haa haa Rakshasa shown upto now in serials with the excuse that it is simplified for viewers .

The way he is shown sitting with his foot on Shani in his court etc ...is this an accurate description ? Hanuman has later freed Shani and hence Shani regards him as a guru but is this depiction correct ?

Pity coz for the first time they found a handsome Ravan ...one who suits the role . Like the super handsome Shiva in DKDM . Uptill now all the Ravans were middle aged and pot bellied . This one is perfect and magnificent .

Why this insistence that little details don't matter puzzles me as it is an epic they r filming , not any story . Of course they matter and some characters may be favorite of some but that doesn't mean other characters r unimportant and their depiction should be anyhow .

There was a Chaupai in the background when Ram stood alone in the battleground after vanquishing Khara and Dushana and their army of 140000 . Mangal bhavan amangal hari...

Richly deserved and very apt and beautiful scene ...him standing alone with bodies strewn all around him , resplendent in his glory . For me this battle brings out his real self the most compared to any battles he fought later .

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Janaki

@RamKiSeeta

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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000
I am not conjecturing anything here . For me it is no question or assumption of whether he would have yelled at Mandodari bcoz he yelled at so many people . I am talking only about the facts i read ...and the fact is she was the one person he did not yell at but heard out though he did not act upon her advice he knew what she said was the truth .

I think many of the points people have made in this thread are assumptions, because while Mandodari is definitely an important character, not too much was written about her in either Valmiki or RCM. There are only a few lines written about her in both excerpts.

Where in any of the major versions is it written that Ravan never raised his voice at Mandodari, that he listened to her politely? I'm not saying your assumption is wrong, but I'm merely curious on what basis you are saying that Ravan yelling at Mandodari is downright false.

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koolsadhu1000

@koolsadhu1000

Stunner

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Posted: 12 years ago

#17

Read expositions on the Ramayana and it was the same in each of them and i differ when it is said that she has an insignificant part . She had a major part and has watched his downfall helplessly . Regarding Shani ...there r 2 versions ...one is that he was imprisoned in the basement of Ravan's palace in a room with no windows as he had a ku drishti ...anyone he looked at suffered . There he lay till Hanuman freed him and he warned him that he would have to suffer bad luck briefly as he had looked at him , it was divinely ordained . Hauman calmly said that he had no fear .his abode was the feet of Shri Ram . Hanuman was succesful in destroying Lanka and Shani told him that he had an auspicious head and anyone worshipping him would not be affected by him [ shani] . This rubbish they r showing of Mandodari directly meeting his gaze and talking etc is not accurate at all , his gaze was avoided pointedly as it brought bad luck .

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Incense

@Incense

Sparkler

Posted: 12 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000
Read expositions on the Ramayana and it was the same in each of them and i differ when it is said that she has an insignificant part . She had a major part and has watched his downfall helplessly . Regarding Shani ...there r 2 versions ...one is that he was imprisoned in the basement of Ravan's palace in a room with no windows as he had a ku drishti ...anyone he looked at suffered . There he lay till Hanuman freed him and he warned him that he would have to suffer bad luck briefly as he had looked at him , it was divinely ordained . Hauman calmly said that he had no fear .his abode was the feet of Shri Ram . Hanuman was succesful in destroying Lanka and Shani told him that he had an auspicious head and anyone worshipping him would not be affected by him [ shani] . This rubbish they r showing of Mandodari directly meeting his gaze and talking etc is not accurate at all , his gaze was avoided pointedly as it brought bad luck .

i suggest to read valmiki and ramcharitmanas the show is majorly based on these two versions and these twoo versions hardly depicts mandodari...😳 cant help if these versions didnt mentioned their relationship

@ red its quite a strong word for the show... lots of ppl love the show kindly avoid these words ...and who said meeting his gaze brings bad luck...he is not the god of bad omen...shani dev is a greatest teacher he is a well wisher for right persons while great punish-er for wrong...he is good for the good ppl and those who turns evil or greedy shani dev righteously punish them...so its not the case tht whoever will look into eye of shani dev will be suffered ...shani dev evil eye falls only on the wrong doer...for a change if we go by the theory tht shani dev gaze brings bad luck so yaa mandodari suffered to didnt she ? her sons were killed her family was destroyed her husband was killed in the battle so yaa maybe mandodari conversation with shani brought misforutne to her...

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koolsadhu1000

@koolsadhu1000

Stunner

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Posted: 12 years ago

#19

Dear do one thing ...disregard my post .😊 I don't know anything and you don't have to take the foolish nonsense i write seriously . Btw how did u assume i did not read the Ramcharit Manas and Valmiki Ramayan ?? Must be some valid reason like detecting the ignorance in my posts . Enjoy the serial dear . Let us end this discussion as i am wrong .

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Kalapi

@Kalapi

Dazzler

Posted: 12 years ago

#20

I am confused 😕... how one determines that the other member in the virtual world is less learned than someone else….

What is the relationship between loving a show and use of certain words...I am confused😕….does loving a show equates to blind acceptance…..

I am confused 😕, how we decide that showing something wrong or depicting something wrong isn't a big deal….but point out is a big deal….shouldn't we have the right to correct wrongly shown scenes or make the effort for dissemination of correct information….when the serial shows wrong things - well that seems not to be a big deal here…

Or do we take a stand that prevent anyone the freedom to start a valid discussion, simply because we don't like what they have to say….is that some ego war going on…

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