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Posted: 12 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: arti07



i suggest to read valmiki and ramcharitmanas the show is majorly based on these two versions and these twoo versions hardly depicts mandodari...😳 cant help if these versions didnt mentioned their relationship
@ red its quite a strong word for the show... lots of ppl love the show kindly avoid these words ...and who said meeting his gaze brings bad luck...he is not the god of bad omen...shani dev is a greatest teacher he is a well wisher for right persons while great punish-er for wrong...he is good for the good ppl and those who turns evil or greedy shani dev righteously punish them...so its not the case tht whoever will look into eye of shani dev will be suffered ...shani dev evil eye falls only on the wrong doer...for a change if we go by the theory tht shani dev gaze brings bad luck so yaa mandodari suffered to didnt she ? her sons were killed her family was destroyed her husband was killed in the battle so yaa maybe mandodari conversation with shani brought misforutne to her...

Arti, very well said dear!
My dad is an astrologer, and he learned from great gurus that the superstition people have against Shani Dev is so WRONG. To think that Shani brings bad luck is sinful, because he only punishes those who do wrong, and he blesses those who do right. Shani Dev is a highly regarded devta but sadly, the majority of Hindus have a wrong superstition about him. Many people do not even pray to Shani Dev because they fear him.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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As for Mandodari's role in the Ramayana, no one is saying she was unimportant, but just Shri Ramcharitmanas and Valmiki Ramayan do not have too many excerpts about her. There are some, but more focus is given on Ravan's political downfall than his relationship with his wife and children.
If there are specific excerpts about Ravan listening to Mandodari's advice and giving respect to it, I welcome people to post those excerpts here, because I am genuinely interested in reading them.😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
#23
@koolsadhu...

am just curious is there any version which says ravan "never shouted" at Mandodari ????
how can some one say for sure ...confused

and if you open a topic, i think you should be ready to get all kind of feedback to ur posts.just because we do not agree you need not use more n more harsh words..even i can say is it ego ??

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Posted: 12 years ago
#24

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Dear do one thing ...disregard my post .😊 I don't know anything and you don't have to take the foolish nonsense i write seriously . Btw how did u assume i did not read the Ramcharit Manas and Valmiki Ramayan ?? Must be some valid reason like detecting the ignorance in my posts . Enjoy the serial dear . Let us end this discussion as i am wrong .


ok as u wish😊 it was nice talking to u😳
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Posted: 12 years ago
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i suggest to read valmiki and ramcharitmanas the show is majorly based on these two versions and these twoo versions hardly depicts mandodari...😳 cant help if these versions didnt mentioned their relationship
@ red its quite a strong word for the show... lots of ppl love the show kindly avoid these words ...and who said meeting his gaze brings bad luck...he is not the god of bad omen...shani dev is a greatest teacher he is a well wisher for right persons while great punish-er for wrong...he is good for the good ppl and those who turns evil or greedy shani dev righteously punish them...so its not the case tht whoever will look into eye of shani dev will be suffered ...shani dev evil eye falls only on the wrong doer...for a change if we go by the theory tht shani dev gaze brings bad luck so yaa mandodari suffered to didnt she ? her sons were killed her family was destroyed her husband was killed in the battle so yaa maybe mandodari conversation with shani brought misforutne to her...

Arti, very well said dear!
My dad is an astrologer, and he learned from great gurus that the superstition people have against Shani Dev is so WRONG. To think that Shani brings bad luck is sinful, because he only punishes those who do wrong, and he blesses those who do right. Shani Dev is a highly regarded devta but sadly, the majority of Hindus have a wrong superstition about him. Many people do not even pray to Shani Dev because they fear him.

thanks janaki and ur dad is right... its misconception tht shani dev brings bad luck hell no..it is the wrong deeds of ppl tht bring bad luck for them ...it was ravana's karma tht brought his downfall... mandodari stood beside the wrong person she had to suffer but still her goodwill were acknowledged and later on vibhishna married her...shani dev is a god who keep an eye on ppl's deed if someone is wrong his bad eye fall on him...as simple as tht😳
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Kalapi

I am confused 😕... how one determines that the other member in the virtual world is less learned than someone else'.

exactly no one should go claim they know it all..is there anyone who has read all 300 versions here..

What is the relationship between loving a show and use of certain words...I am confused😕'.does loving a show equates to blind acceptance'..


regular visitors of this forum very well knows most of the members (including me )has always criticised the show..no only blindly follows it...infact rarely ppl have heart to even appreciate some of the good episodes here...earlier many ppl thought "we know it all"..then later on realised..they were wrong coz watever was shown was mentioned in one or the other versions of ramayana..so unless n untill too much deviation is shown we dont think its a big deal...and one thing i have learnt is no one knows everything...so how can u claim this is wrong and this is right..just coz someone thinks its right according to them...do the world need to follow them...😕

I am confused 😕, how we decide that showing something wrong or depicting something wrong isn't a big deal'.but point out is a big deal'.shouldn't we have the right to correct wrongly shown scenes or make the effort for dissemination of correct information'.when the serial shows wrong things - well that seems not to be a big deal here'

and how can anyone say this is wrong and this is right... for example..who can say for sure mandodari never ever showed her face to shani or ravan never shouted at mandodari...written any where ???am just curious to know .it will really help my knowledge about ramayana

...and just coz one has a perception shani's eyes are bad omen ..should we apply it universally and call some thing rubbish...wat kind of attitude is that..



Or do we take a stand that prevent anyone the freedom to start a valid discussion, simply because we don't like what they have to say'.is that some ego war going on'


or should we call an end of discussion just coz ppl who reply dont agree with you..so EGO is applicable either way...in case if that is what you call it..

Edited by nneeiill - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Kalapi

I am confused 😕... how one determines that the other member in the virtual world is less learned than someone else'.

What is the relationship between loving a show and use of certain words...I am confused😕'.does loving a show equates to blind acceptance'..

I am confused 😕, how we decide that showing something wrong or depicting something wrong isn't a big deal'.but point out is a big deal'.shouldn't we have the right to correct wrongly shown scenes or make the effort for dissemination of correct information'.when the serial shows wrong things - well that seems not to be a big deal here'

Or do we take a stand that prevent anyone the freedom to start a valid discussion, simply because we don't like what they have to say'.is that some ego war going on'


and i m confused y cant ppl accept different opinion wen will ppl agree to disagree now where this ego comes from ????? kindly read IF rules bashing the show and using negative words arent allowed everyone has a liberty to voice his/her opinion but plz stay away from the harsh words and plz presents the facts which suggests tht ravana never yelled at mandodari or they enjoyed a great life or mandodari was elobrated in valmiki and ramcharitmanas ...
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Arti,

I agree with you. It is people's bad karma that makes them suffer, not the "unholy" gaze of some devta or something. It's just that people like to put the blame of their suffering on others, but if we all look within ourselves, we will know that all the good/bad incidents in our life are because of our karma only. In fact, if one prays to Shani Dev he even helps them destroy their bad karma.
Btw, I am curious. Which version of Ramayana mentions that Vibhishan married Mandodari? 😲 This is really new to me, because I was always under the impression that Mandodari, being a pativrata, either burned herself in the pyre of her husband or lived the rest of her life as a widow. I do know that when Vali died, Sugriva married Tara since such a practice was common among the vanar jaati, but I did not know that Vibhishan also married Mandodari.
Is this true?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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i would like to make some clarifications .

I have not bashed this show but offered some suggestions to the CVs . Upon reading them the responses i got were

Mandodari is not at all that important but mentioned very less in the Ramayana

how come i was so sure [ but the same were insisting that the Ramayan shown by the Sagars was very much akin to the original and hence true ...and therefore beyond question]

i sensed a strong antipathy to the very idea of a relationship of love and respect between Ravan and his queen . Obviously viewers were very satisfied with the way he was shown ...all negative , arrogant and snapping at his well wishers .

The viewers were iinterested in seeing only a love story between Sita and Ram . The fact that a love story existed between his formidable rival and his queen was rather irritable to them and my authenticity about sources was questioned but at the same time no one bothered to give the authenticity of their sources . Instead various suggestions were advanced to me . This Ramayan should be read by me and that Ramayan should be read by me ...it was implied that i needed brushing up on my half baked knowledge .

Now i even made a post saying disregard my post . Coz i sensed that my perspective was really not being understood and the discussion was going awry and i was being pounced on . For example ...Shani dev .

I said that Mandodari looking directly at Shani and eliciting information about Ravan's fate was rubbish . These words were highlighted in red and i was told to not bash the show as some liked it .

Now i was slightly confused coz why was it assumed that i was not among those who liked the show

And i had not bashed the show but some wrong facts shown and my opinion stands .So do my words . It is indeed rubbish to show anyone directly gazing at Shani and talking thus and i don't mean this as a disrespect to the God at all . That is his speciality , his story .

His vakra drishti is something divinely ordained and even his biological father Surya was not exempt from it when he gazed at him as a baby . That is his divine power .

Now Ravan knew this . Upon Narad's advice he stepped on all the nava grahas when he went to ascend his throne but he kept Shani locked in a basement of his palace with no windows so he could not look at Lanka with his vakra drishti .

When Hanuman freed him Shani has looked over at Lanka with his vakra drishti and the bad days of Lanka have started . Lanka was burnt and never the same again .

His drishti was feared even by his parents so Mandodari should not be shown gazing at him directly and talking ...i mentioned this anomaly as i felt it was an insult to the great god for he was no ordinary prisoner .

His drishti is is divine gift .

Shani is feared but he is that aspect of the Supreme being as a whole that shows folks the truth . That all near and dear ones flee in times of difficulties and you are left alone . It is when difficulty strikes that one thinks of God ...if all was well all the time one would hardly give him a thought and take the credit for the success to oneself .

The sade sati or the seven year itch lasts for seven and a half years and after making one see the reality and ensuring that he has acknowledged that there is a power greater than man which controls our destinies , Shani leaves , with a blessing that is abundant ...man faces a shower of good luck at the end of sade saati .

Noway would i dream of misunderstanding this aspect of God .

As far as the Mandodari issue is concerned ...i leave it upto u ...if u don't find her that important , fine . If u do , fine too .

Someone has mentioned about no one reading the 300 versions . I agree . At a certain point one gives his or her opinion on the basis of his or her reading and experience . I gave mine based on my reading , no one has to believe it implicitly .At the same time no one has to constantly doubt it either . Repeatedly i have said Enjoy the show my friends .😊




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Posted: 12 years ago
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@koolsadhu1000,
I do not think anyone has said that Mandodari is an unimportant character. We have just said that from what we read, Mandodari is written less in Ramayan than other characters. There is not enough to say that Ravan Mandodari had a loving/unloving relationship with each other. Either could be true. All we know, as per Valmiki Ramayan, is that Mandodari was a chaste wife who stuck with her husband through thick and thin. Although he took many wrong decisions in his life, she never left him. She counciled him against abducting Sita, and she also requested him many times to return her to Lord Ram, but the epic itself does not say whether Ravan took her advice politely or yelled at her. These are all assumptions we as readers have to make ourselves.
The Sagars have portrayed Ravan as generally loving with Mandodari. They have not made him seem like a cruel or harsh husband. Just in regards to Sita, he is not willing to listen to anyone, Mandodari included.
You are right that none of the major sources have written Ravan yelling at Mandodari, but at the same time, none have written that Ravan never yelled at her either. Whether he did or not is up to us. So how can we say one is right and the other is wrong?
I respect your opinion, but you cannot say that what the Sagars are showing is wrong, just because you dont believe it. It may be wrong according to what you believe, but others view Ravan and Mandodari's relationship in a different light. They do not feel that the Sagars are wrong in their portrayal of Ravan, but that doesn't mean these viewers are ignorant or blind. Everyone just has different beliefs about what is right and wrong. Sharing your beliefs here is not wrong (in fact it's welcome), but forcing them on others and criticizing them show as per your beliefs is wrong.
You may point out what you like and dislike about the show, but just understand that not everyone may agree. If they disagree, it doesn't mean they are blind viewers.
Edited by JanakiRaghunath - 12 years ago

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