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https://www.boloji.com/articles/1439/karnas-father-found

I was talking of this article about Karna's father. But since I read it many years ago, I made some mistakes while mentioning it here.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Could Karna not be the biological son Durwasa Rishi himself?

With Parashar Muni Matasyagandha/Satyavati relation we know that Rishi sewa included that Sewa as well

That is what I meant. I made some mistake in wordings. What I meant was that Durvasha can be related to Surya in some way.

Originally posted by: vyapti

First Ashwamedh then Putrakameshti.

https://www.valmikiramayan.net/utf8/baala/sarga14/bala_14_frame.htm

Thankyou. So I had attended the Vedic lecture by BORI a few months ago (haven't read YajurVed myself so can't give the citation), according to it there were few eligiblity criteria for a king to carry out Ashwamedh. That includes being an independent king (having had done a Rajsuya), having no grey hair, having at least four wives and having sons.

Basis the same, the Indologists from BORI have published the paper that hence the Ashwamedh of Ram wasn't a proper Ashwamedh since he had only one wife and she wasn't there for Ashwamedh. It was basically a jugaad vidya of TretaYug

Since Dashrath did the Ashwamedh and his Ashwamedh didn't need any special jugaad (like Vashisth ji did for Rama's hence we can conclude that Dashrath did have sons at the time his Ashwamedh. They might have died during the expedition or maybe later and they completely removed these kids from History (like Janmejay/Vajra did to other Vrishnis, Uppandava kids)

Originally posted by: vyapti

I have read somewhere that Pritha was the eldest child of Shura. Shura promised to childless Kuntibhoja that he will give his eldest child to Kuntibhoja for adoption. So Pritha, the eldest child of Shura, was adopted by Kuntibhoja and renamed Kunti.

Then Kunti is the eldest daughter of Shura and eldest daughter of Kuntibhoja as well. But if the sister you mentioned is a cousin sister then she can be older to Kunti.

Shurasena's eldest or first born was Vsudev also known as anakadundubhi. Kunti is listed as second in the list of daughters. First is Prithu Kirti married to Vriddharsharma king of Karusha and mother of Dantavkara. Second after that is named Pritha given in adoption to childless at the time. KuntiBhoja and renamed Kunti.

If first born child was to be given in adoption then it would have Vasudev.

But that kind of promise is never made. First born children are never given in adoption as they will be the primary heir of the biological parents.. It is later born kids the spare ones that are given in adoption not just girls but also boys.

Originally posted by: vyapti

I have read somewhere that Pritha was the eldest child of Shura. Shura promised to childless Kuntibhoja that he will give his eldest child to Kuntibhoja for adoption. So Pritha, the eldest child of Shura, was adopted by Kuntibhoja and renamed Kunti.

Then Kunti is the eldest daughter of Shura and eldest daughter of Kuntibhoja as well. But if the sister you mentioned is a cousin sister then she can be older to Kunti.

As given in harivansh and Vishnupuran Shurasena's eldest or first born was Vsudev also known as anakadundubhi. Kunti is listed as second in the list of daughters. First is Prithu Kirti married to Vriddharsharma king of Karusha and mother of Dantavkara. Second after that is named Pritha given in adoption to childless at the time. KuntiBhoja and renamed Kunti.

If first born child was to be given in adoption then it would have Vasudev.

But that kind of promise is never made. First born children are never given in adoption as they will be the primary heir of the biological parents.. It is later born kids the spare ones that are given in adoption not just girls but also boys.

Ashwamedha does not require 4 wives or heirs. Ashwamedha requires a wife (only one wife officiates as hostess of the yagya, she lights the yagya fire and she makes final offerring).

However what does happen before every yagya is that thread ceremony is undertaken for the host where he is given a new thread (Upavitam / Janeu) and hostess is given a new mangalyam

This is for every yagya not just ashwamedha. It's like practically a remarriage ceremony prior to the start of yagya.

If a king had multiple wives even then other than the chief wife other wives will sit with other family members.

Indra BTW had only one wife and he did multiple ashwamedha with the same wife Sachi/Swargasree

Yudhishtir did Ashwamedha with Draupadi

If Dasrath did the yagya Kousalya alone would sit with him

Dasrath had 350 wives. But no sons till Rishyashringa did Putrakameshti for him

How is Anga chandravamshi? @FP, you said the transition is missing in Harivamsa. Can you elabotrate? because Ikshvakus were definitely suryavanshis.

There were never any ikshavaku in Anga.

Lineage is Puru - prAchInavAn → pravIra → manasyu → abhayada -> sudhanva → bahu-gava → shaMyAti → rahasyAti → raudrashva - Kaksheyu- sabhAnara → kAla-anala → sR^i~njaya → pura~njaya → janamejaya → mahA-shAla → mahA-mana

Mahamana had two sons Usinara and Titikshu

Usinara got entire north west of India and Titikshu got east.

Usinara son was Sibi and Sibi's sons were Vrishadarbha (Sindhu), Sauvira, Madraka, Kekaya

Titikshu got East India.

His lineage progresses as Titikshu -uShad-ratha → phena → su-tapasa → bali...

Bali's 5 sons born through Niyoga of his wife sudeshna with Rishi Dirghatamas were

Anga Vanga Pundra Suhma and Kalinga

From Anga the lineage is

anga → dadhi-vAhana → divi-ratha → dharma-ratha → chitra-ratha - Romapada

This Romapada guy is Dasrath's friend he adopts his son in law as son and after him his son in law Rishyashringa becomes King. This Rishyashringa is the one who does Putrakameshti for Dasrath

So from Rishyashringa the lineage goes

Rishyashringa - chatura~Nga → pR^ithula-akSha → champa - harya~Nga → bR^ihat-karmA → bR^ihad-darbha → bR^ihat-manAH

This brihatmana has 2 sons one from Kshatriya wife named Jayadrath other from suta wife named Vijaya he splits the kingdom into two.

One Anga is ruled by Jayadrath's and his lineage goes

jayadratha → dR^iDha-ratha → vishvajit →Karna - Vikarna

The other Anga is ruled by Vijaya (Suta) and his lineage goes

Vijaya - Dhriti - Dhritivrata - Satyavrata - Adhiratha - Karna

Karna unites both Anga by getting right to rule one part as gift from Duryodhan overthrowing his uncle and to rule other part from Jarasandh by overthrowing step cousin Vikarna

Unified Anga then is ruled by Karna and after him Vrishasena and then lineage ends.

So there is absolutely no ikshavaku descendents in Anga or any of their immediate neighbours.

FP may have read the mistranslation of the section that describes Romapada Dasrath (scion of ikshavaku) friendship and Romapada's son in law Rishyashringa doing Putrakameshti for Dasrath as an Ikshavaku in between

This.mistranslation occurs in Harivansh but Vayupuran and Vishnu Purana are clear

Below is mistranslation in harivansh

chitra-ratha's son is → dasha-ratha, aka loma-pAda, aka roma-pAda, whose daughter is shAnta, who is given to the son of sage vibhANDaka, namely sage R^ishya- shR^i~Nga; dasha-ratha’s son is → catura~Nga whose descent is at the grace of sage R^ishya- shR^i~Nga, who conducted a vedic ritual called putra-kAmeShTi on behalf of dasha-ratha to effectuate the birth of chatura~na; from chatura~Nga → pR^ithula-akSha →

Correct one is the one I posted above

^^^ thanks Chhiillli for clearing the translation part. That exact mention had confused me because the lineage of Dashrath was different there. While cross checking I had found that it was slight confusing there.

The Ikshawaku's never ruled Anga, but obviously biologically Anga kings were descendants of Shanta so yes they were Suryavanshi in that way.

I don't think their lineage ended with Vrishsen, because a son of Vrishsen named Vrisha is mentioned in some sources who ascended the throne at young age. In my opinion since Anga was anyways a vassal to Hastinapur and Pandavas now, they would have patronised their half grand nephew.

Anga was an independent kingdom till the time of Bimbisar. The king of Anga had defeated Bimbisar's father causing huge mockery of Magadh. Bimbisar vowed to avenge it and finally defeated Anga once he became the king, killed the last king of Anga (not sure if he was Karna's descendent) and instead of making Anga a vassal completely dismantled the state of Anga making the areas a part of Magadh. Even today the areas of erswhile Anga are a part of the state of Bihar