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Originally posted by: vyapti

If Shanta was the daughter of Dasaratha and Kaushalya then why did Dasharath had to resort to Niyoga to get the four sons?

Another interesting question:

We have always heard of queens getting sons through Niyoga. But it is possible that as a result of Niyoga a queen got a daughter. What happened to those daughters?

Niyog with one single man was supposed to be until one child and no more. I don't know if it could continue if the child turned out to be a girl. Harsh truth then would be the girl was either discarded or given away in adoption so they could try again for a boy.

Originally posted by: vyapti

If Shanta was the daughter of Dasaratha and Kaushalya then why did Dasharath had to resort to Niyoga to get the four sons?

Another interesting question:

We have always heard of queens getting sons through Niyoga. But it is possible that as a result of Niyoga a queen got a daughter. What happened to those daughters?

Obviously there would have been daughters through Niyoga.. They will also be treated as daughter of the wedded husband.

I had read a very cheap reason for it. Not sure if it's a hearsay or actually some Purana.

So according to this Tara the wife of Brihaspati ji fell in love with Chandra dev and started having extra marital affair with him(Chandra dev bhi na, Rohini ko chhod k khud ki baaki 26 wives k liye time nhi tha aur extra marital affair kar rahe the, dev pehle original target to poora karo fir extra karna 😆)

Anyhow so Tara conceived as a result of this relationship. When Brihaspati ji got to know about this, he understood that the child isn't his, so he got angry and Tara to let him know who the father was. Tara didn't reply so Brihaspati ji got angry and cursed the father of that child. However to his surprise the curse actually hit Brihaspati ji himself. He couldn't understand what happened when an Akashwani happened stating that the children any female bears after her marriage is always of the husband since irrespective of who sows the seeds in a land, the tree and it's fruits always belong to the owner of land.

I am not sure about the authenticity of this story because the child born to Tara was Budh who married Manu's daughter Ila/Ida and their descendants were called Chandravanshi

Coming to Shanta, I think maybe didn't have any other children (son) for long, and by the time of Putrasukti Yagya, Dashrath would have become very old and Vashitha would have adviced him to not to actually have his own child as he might be weak, so he instead could have asked his younger wives to perform Niyog

By the way when did Dashrath perform Ashwamedh Yagya? Was it before the Putrasukti or after that.

Asking this for an important thought

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Niyog with one single man was supposed to be until one child and no more. I don't know if it could continue if the child turned out to be a girl. Harsh truth then would be the girl was either discarded or given away in adoption so they could try again for a boy.

They have not kept any record of such girls.💔

How did Satyavati send Vyasa to Ambika 2nd time if that was not allowed?

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Re: Shalya.

I don't know if there was actually a hospitality event or if it was a metaphor for "meine unka namak khaya hain."

Sorry in advance for any bad Hindi grammar 😛

I don't think it's an interpolation or as you might say metaphor, because they have mentioned the exact places where Duryodhan had put up those rest arenas for Shalya and team (I think Karna would have arranged girls for him as well at those places).

That mention is pretty direct to mean something else. It was either the actual happening or a deliberate addition

Originally posted by: vyapti

They have not kept any record of such girls.💔

How did Satyavati send Vyasa to Ambika 2nd time if that was not allowed?

Not just that, what would have been the benefit of sending her again? Vidur was nearly of same age as Dhritrashtra/Pandu right?

That means Ambika was sent to Vyas while she was actually carrying and you don't need to be medical expert to know that a pregnant lady has negligible chances of bearing other child (it can happen with a probability of 1/380000 I read somewhere) no way she could have got another child even if she reached the second time.

It could be that Vyas enjoyed the company of Ambika and requested his mother for once more citing the random reason and Satyavati just obliged

Originally posted by: vyapti

They have not kept any record of such girls.💔

How did Satyavati send Vyasa to Ambika 2nd time if that was not allowed?

59. On failure of issue (by her husband) a woman who has been authorised, may obtain, (in the) proper (manner prescribed), the desired offspring by (cohabitation with) a brother-in-law or (with some other) Sapinda (of the husband).

60. He (who is) appointed to (cohabit with) the widow shall (approach her) at night anointed with clarified butter and silent, (and) beget one son, by no means a second.

61. Some (sages), versed in the law, considering the purpose of the appointment not to have been attained by those two (on the birth of the first), think that a second (son) may be lawfully procreated on (such) women.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/manu/manu09.htm

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So BIL was preferred. Pandu would definitely then have preferred Vidura, followed by brother figures of Kunti and Madri for the other wife.

2 sons were all right, apparently.

Also, Dhritharashtra and Pandu were already born when Vidura was conceived IIRC.

No mention of what happens to daughters.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

I don't think it's an interpolation or as you might say metaphor, because they have mentioned the exact places where Duryodhan had put up those rest arenas for Shalya and team (I think Karna would have arranged girls for him as well at those places).

That mention is pretty direct to mean something else. It was either the actual happening or a deliberate addition

Dunno about that. There is also a description of sun coming down from sky and impregnating Kunti.😛

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01107.htm

Hearing her, he replied, 'The son of the princess she will bring forth shall be equal in might unto ten thousand elephants. He will be an illustrious royal sage, possessed of great learning and intelligence and energy. The high-souled one shall have in his time a century of sons. But from the fault of his mother he shall be blind 'At these words of her son, Satyavati said, 'O thou of ascetic wealth, how can one that is blind become a monarch worthy of the Kurus? How can one that is blind become the protector of his relatives and family, and the glory of his father's race? It behoveth thee to give another king unto the Kurus.' Saying, 'So be it,' Vyasa went away. And the first princess of Kosala in due time brought forth a blind son.

"Soon after Satyavati, O chastiser of foes, summoned Vyasa, after having secured the assent of her daughter-in-law. Vyasa came according to his promise, and approached, as before, the second wife of his brother. And Ambalika beholding the Rishi, became pale with fear And, O Bharata, beholding her so afflicted and pale with fear, Vyasa addressed her and said, 'Because thou hast been pale with fear at the sight of my grim visage, therefore, thy child shall be pale in complexion. O thou of handsome face, the name also thy child shall bear will be Pandu (the pale).' 'Saying this, the illustrious and best of Rishis came out of her chamber. And as he came out, he was met by his mother who asked him about the would-be-child. The Rishi told her that the child would be of pale complexion and known by the name of Pandu. Satyavati again begged of the Rishi another child, and the Rishi told her in reply, 'So be it.' Ambalika, then, when her time came, brought forth a son of pale complexion. Blazing with beauty the child was endued with all auspicious marks. Indeed, it was this child who afterwards became the father of those mighty archers, the Pandavas.

"Some time after, when the oldest of Vichitravirya's widows again had her monthly season, she was solicited by Satyavati to approach Vyasa once again. Possessed of beauty like a daughter of a celestial, the princess refused to do her mother-in-law's bidding, remembering the grim visage and strong odour of the Rishi. She, however, sent unto him, a maid of hers, endued with the beauty of an Apsara and decked with her own ornaments.

I understood the setup. The areas of Shibbi were in a transition zone from maternal society to paternal society. Although the power lied in the hands of males, but females had inheritance rights(strange that Bharat didn't follow that rule though. He got Kekaya from his grandfather but he was succeeded by his sons, maybe because Kekayi didn't have a daughter, whose son should have ideally succeeded Bharat) They didn't treat daughters as obligation or didn't follow beti ke ghar ka paani bhi nhi piyenge kind of system (obviously Shalya enjoyed the hospitality of Duryodhan on which Karna probably even sarcastically remarked IIRC. It could have actually meant that you didn't feel shy in enjoying hospitality which was arranged by your son in law)

However that still doesn't seem a reason strong enough for all that hospitality drama. I agree Shalya wasn't under obligation to support to KaDu, but he had all the less reason to support Pandavas (unless Madri was his sister and hence Nakul/Sahdev was next in line for Madra throne, which as you clarified wasn't the case). Even if not under obligation, no one would want to attack and kill his own son in laws making his daughter widow/commit Sati and that too just because someone else has enimity to them. He could have remained neutral if not support KaDu/Kauravas

What was the need to pledge a support to Pandavas and then switch sides at the last moment stating the "Maine unka namak khaaya hai" excuse?

I now genuinely feel, either Shalya was the biological dad of Bheem or else he was angry at KaDu for some reason and had pledged to support Pandavas just to show them down. That entire hospitality thing wasn't any plot to make Shalya switch sides but rather an attempt of Suyodhan to calm down his anger. Sasurji ko mana raha tha Bhai.