Pehla Pyar- Rehaan Vs Shaad- Can you compare love? - Page 2

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: muskaan17rocks

I agree that true love is really difficult to forget but the way the love story of one sided love was shown in qubool hai did not actually make any sense. first rehan falls in love with sanam - some find it to be just a crush but it was actually the first time that rehan felt something for someone - then he sacrifices his love for his brother as soon as he realisea that his brother is also fallinv in love with sanam then he meets seher a look alike of sanam and instantly falls in love with her. It all felt like rehan did not love sanam as a person instead he loved her outer appearance more and as soon as he saw someone else like her he fell in love with her. I felt it to be unfair with seher. She never got to know that rehan was first in love with sanam and neither did sanam get to know about it.

in case of rehan many people feel that his love is selfish but what is wrong in loving a person with all your life and wanting the person you love to stay with you forever. I am sure every person who loves feels the same. I know in this case the situation is different as shaad does not know anything about jannats past but we should look from his POV also. To him jannat is his life. She is a woman who he fell in love with and he does not want to leave her.
Rehan love was pure but what happened after that made us question his love for sanam. In case of shaad it feels that his love is passionate. Maybe i am wrong but this is what i feel about all these situations.

No offence to anybody in here. This is exactly what i feel and i am not forcing anybody else to feel the same way.



Pure Vs Passionate.👏

Great comparison! 👏Thank U.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: micshy


KK exactly the same way i hv felt about Sehaan, as i mentioned earlier too. It was so disconnected that how he eas one day seeing Sanam in Seher n the next day he was attracted to her n was giving looks , how can a thinking mind connect to that as beleivable... N the angle never acknowledged again...

Thays why i say, these writers arent capable of writing in depth such traingles n quadrangles, most of the times there "introduced angles" are fr the purpose of surprise factor in the story , so such " twists" are brought without proper thought n conviction n then the issues are never dealt with,

No wonder their main lead got #BhoolnekiBeemari n how she was so okay with it. Cz thats what the writers have been doing 😕


🤣 Writers having bhoolne ki bimaari!👏

Excellent!😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: KhatamKahani

I disagree, Soup. He fell for her first due to Sanam not for Sunheri herself. He didn't reject her, he kept her around and was lenient with her due to remembering Sanam. Otherwise he would not have put up with many things and would have been more on guard. All throughout he saw Sanam flashbacks, and him stopping with the flashbacks and giving mooney eyes and stares and daydreams happened simultaneously.

If there were a gap in between the end of flashbacks and him starting to give mooney eyes, it would be one thing. But that was not the case. In my opinion, he replaced one with the other.

Now after his replacement, one can say he fell for Sunheri/Seher as herself. But initially his falling for her was as a Sanam replacement.


Yes He was lenient...because she looked like Sanam...and he laughed at her...compared her and rejected her as a duplicate...

And then something made him see her as she is...a different person from SAnam...Though I can't remember what that 'something' was...Never paid attention much...So unless someone tells me there was this special 'something' that was the turning point, I guess I will have to agree with U.

Yeah. It was the noodles and her antics...she was so different and bubbly and energetic compared to Sanam...I suppose he fell for that extra dimension in her character.😳
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I honestly felt that what Rehan felt for Sanam was strong and genuine even if one sided. He got to know her even better than Ahil in some aspects (like the gentler side to her) while Ahil was more familiar with the fiery side of hers.
But Rehan was a good friend to her and I loved him for that, specially during those insufferable jerk days of Ahil and through that friendship he got to know her and spend time with her. Even Ahil was jealous of how comfortable she was with Rehan, simply talking and having a good time, sharing childhood memoris and stuff like that.
With Ahil she was always on guard while with Rehan she loosened up and enjoyed life a bit..so Rehan got to know more about her than Ahil in that sense.

However I don't believe Rehan per say 'sacrificed' his feelings for the sake of Ahil, but it was more to do with him realizing that Ahil's feelings towards Sanam was reciprocated and realizing Sanam would always see Rehan as a friend specially now after being married to Ahil even if it did not work out between Sahil...

I think he was contemplating all this when Ahil in his jealous rage confronted him at the terrace that fateful night. I also felt that he had come to terms with his one sided love when he decided to leave after Ahil confronted him...
I clearly remember that even the Sahan shippers who later turned to ship Sehan, also felt Rehan's love for Sanam was real though later just like the cvs, it was ignored and brushed off.

With Seher I really don't know what to say...Honestly after what we were shown of Rehan and Sanam and considering Sanam is married to his brother now and thus to be related to him lifelong, I found it weird to see him and Seher being paired up. Its one thing to let go of first love and fall in love a second time, but when it is shown with a lookalike (since he only found out about the twin thing after he fell in 'love' with Seher) it just looks...I don't know what the word is to describe what I mean here..😕
And really his fall for her was done without him knowing anything about Seher herself so all he had to go for him was Seher's looks...
There really was such a disconnect shown in how he fell in 'love' with Seher and how they developed Sehan after Aher...
But anyways, I was highly uncomfortable to watch even the scenes of the three of them (SaSeHan) after Aher when Sehan was given some buildup because of all that history of Sahan...even if I ignored Sehan completely through out..

I think Sehan mostly worked for those that joined Q2 after Seher's entry when much of Sahan had already been over with so they are not too familiar with what was shown before. I guess that is why even the cvs convieniently decided to ignore Sahan ever happened, as those that were shipping the couple did not seem bothered by it at all...

With regards to Shaad, I will just say this much...

love can be selfish, but it is pure in essence as well. A lover would never choose to keep their love captive with them forcibly and away from her family...love and affection "forcibly" TAKEN from someone is something else altogether...there is another word for it.

I'm sure none of us would say that anyone has the right to take something from someone without their consent and to take it without their consent is criminal...





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Posted: 10 years ago
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^^ Agreed to all of what you say.
I don't think it's true that if you let go of a love, it wasn't love.

That's called knowing when to let go, or not over sstepping your bounds.

With Rehan

1) SaHil Nikkah. It wouldn't have been Rehan's place because he saw Sanam there on her own will. People want him to barge in and stop, on what basis does he have that right? He doesn't. He can question his mother on what she's doing but he doesn't have any right to get in the middle of Sanam's decision in the middle of the ceremony.

2) Afterwards him letting go--well what is he supposed to do? Hold on and fight when they are married and he can see the truth now in front of him?

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I agree about Shaad's love can be questioned. It's some kind of delusional love and obsession. True he may 'love' it in his own way, but it's a result of his delusional and obsession. And yes, his love is selfish. Now selfish love is not uncommon, as there are many who do indulge in selfishness in their love. But in his case, it is far, far worse. And even more than the situation itself--somehow the lack of acknowledgement of it is what is gets most of us, really.

SA, 👏 👏 word to this.

love can be selfish, but it is pure in essence as well. A lover would never choose to keep their love captive with them forcibly and away from her family...love and affection "forcibly" TAKEN from someone is something else altogether...there is another word for it.

I'm sure none of us would say that anyone has the right to take something from someone without their consent and to take it without their consent is criminal...

Edited by KhatamKahani - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Exactly KK...If Rehan had chosen to go further it would have to be like what is happening with Shaad and Jannat now...Because it was clear to him how Sanam saw him and how she viewed Ahil...
If he were to pursue Sanam despite knowing that and what us the audiance knew, then it would have been the obsession kind since it was obvious to him her affections lie elsewhere...

Really I believe that Sehan just worked for those that did not watch Q2 from the beginning...and I'm happy for them in that sense because otherwise it would have been difficult to feel strongly about it honestly...This is why we see some expressing their dislike for a possible pair up of Seher with Shaad.

Who would want a guy who once went so far as to keep a girl with him by deception even at the expense of keeping her away from her family and the one she obviously loves, to be paired with a character you genuinely like and who looks exactly like the girl he obsessed with...???
Your last line in your first post here aptly describes it...

Maybe if Seher is reintroduced essayed by a different actress after that accident...but still even apart from the look alike aspect, it would be hard to accept it considering what is happening now with Shaad and Jannat...
I certainly can't connect with Shaad anymore who ever he is paired with and I sincerely hope that the real Misbah would not be paired with him either...


Edited by SheAish - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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By the way, soup. Sorry I forgot to explain.

The AaHer-Rehan bangle scene I mentioned, maybe it wasn't bangles. I'm talking about when SeherSanam cut her fingers or something and Rehan came to call them for dinner, so Seher pulled back from Aahil. It was early on during AaHer. I thought the cut was due to a broken bangle, but I can't be sure now, it may have been something else.
Edited by KhatamKahani - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Res...
Be prepared for a long essay soup!😉

Unres...

Very interesting topic...

I so loved Rehan. From the start.
I loved his calm reassuring smile, his steadfastness.
He's the kind of guy friend I would have cherished in real life, if not married him myself, match made him to the the best nicest girl and wished him the best his whole life...

" I don't want much in life, I want an honest, decent living, filled with family and happiness..."

His one statement melted me and made me his fan. Lovely character.

Eversince Sanam arrived at the Ibrahim mansion, he watched as Aahil and her locked horns and fought. He gave her moral support in each of the ridiculous tasks Aahil gave her, helped her in little ways (without interfering and making things worse), and even cheered when she eventually emerged victorious and taught Aahil a lesson.

In the times when Sanam was waxing lyrical about how horrid Aahil was, Rehan would be the calming person. Telling her not to hate, but see the other side of things, Aahil is not as bad as she thought, he might've been the one to inadvertently make Sanam see the good side of Aahil.

When he couldn't stop Aahil from bullying her (he did try to talk Aahil out of it) he tried to help her instead. That lovely conversation on the garden in the moonlight when they spoke of things that made them happy.

That was when he saw Sanam. The girl with the simple wishes, who dreamt of a happy life with her family. He saw himself fit in that dream. Better still he wanted to give it to her, to make her wishes and dreams come true.

I cannot explain how bittersweet it felt to see him yearn for family and a comfortable house filled with love. The vulnerability I saw in his character brought out my protective side. Then he started trying to make life better for Sanam.

He untied his hands and started defending her from the bullies in the house: Nida, Begum Sahiba, Khala Khalu. That one monologue he had, where he expressed anger at the people in the house "Who do these people think they are anyway? How dare they do this to a person who hasn't harmed anyone! How dare they think they can get away with bullying Sanam! I must take her away from here immediately !!"

"But how?"

That was when marriage appeared as an option. In his haste in wanting to protect her from her tormentors and to make her dreams come true, he jumped from a crush to aspiring suitor. He saw a way out for him too.

SO he went to see Badi Ammi, and Dilshaad saw the honest gentleman in him, I must admit, I teared up along with Dilshaad. He was so incredibly sweet to ask for her permission first, because he knew how important Badi Ammi was to Sanam.

Armed with her approval, he bought a ring. Even tried respectfully to inform his Ammi first, meeting her disapproval, stood his ground and went ahead. But he didn't know his Ammi would mess up his life so badly, by using monetary aid to trap Sanam into marrying Aahil.

He was angry, quite angry, to the extent of telling off Aahil. He stuck around because he sensed Sanam so very unhappy, and felt her being swallowed up by her tormentors. But he slowly saw that she was coping well, despite her forced marriage, seeing the good in Aahil and willing to try and make it work.

Then he realized she was able to fend for herself, and didn't need his help. And Aahil started behaving possessively toward her, and it became clear. Aahil and Sanam loved each other.
So he left.

But Soup, although for Sanam, I really wanted someone like Rehan. But the dynamics of the relationship is a bit intricate.

Sanam took care of Aahil, helps him through his issues.
But it was Rehan who helped Sanam with her issues, her anger and misunderstanding with Aahil; her search for her parents' truth, was her pillar of support in rough times.

But who cared for Rehan?

Seher.

She cared when he went hungry. She listened to his angst and misery about his mother. She listened to his loneliness and gave him company. She showed him little acts of kindness that people do to make others happy. She was a dose of happiness and whimsy his life lacked.

What Seher gave Rehan, was what he wanted. Someone to call his own, who cared about him as much as he did them. Giving and taking. And when he saw it, he grabbed it quickly.

Who can forget their first love?
That new feeling of shyness and sweetness, untouchable joy.

But would you give up who you ended up with now, (happy or not😆) for that memory?

I believe Rehan ended up with the one who suited him better, as did Sanam.

I am still feeling over sensitive to talk about Shaad. He is making a selfish mistake right now.
But I wouldn't condemn him from finding the one whom is better suited with him later. Someone who isn't someone else's wife.

they didn't develop his character enough for a fair comparison Soup.
Neither is he a good son to his Father, or a great Nephew to his adoring Phupho.
Only a Son who misses his Ammi a lot.


Edited by sageflower7 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: SheAish

I honestly felt that what Rehan felt for Sanam was strong and genuine even if one sided. He got to know her even better than Ahil in some aspects (like the gentler side to her) while Ahil was more familiar with the fiery side of hers.

But Rehan was a good friend to her and I loved him for that, specially during those insufferable jerk days of Ahil and through that friendship he got to know her and spend time with her. Even Ahil was jealous of how comfortable she was with Rehan, simply talking and having a good time, sharing childhood memoris and stuff like that.
With Ahil she was always on guard while with Rehan she loosened up and enjoyed life a bit..so Rehan got to know more about her than Ahil in that sense.

However I don't believe Rehan per say 'sacrificed' his feelings for the sake of Ahil, but it was more to do with him realizing that Ahil's feelings towards Sanam was reciprocated and realizing Sanam would always see Rehan as a friend specially now after being married to Ahil even if it did not work out between Sahil...

I think he was contemplating all this when Ahil in his jealous rage confronted him at the terrace that fateful night. I also felt that he had come to terms with his one sided love when he decided to leave after Ahil confronted him...
I clearly remember that even the Sahan shippers who later turned to ship Sehan, also felt Rehan's love for Sanam was real though later just like the cvs, it was ignored and brushed off.

With Seher I really don't know what to say...Honestly after what we were shown of Rehan and Sanam and considering Sanam is married to his brother now and thus to be related to him lifelong, I found it weird to see him and Seher being paired up. Its one thing to let go of first love and fall in love a second time, but when it is shown with a lookalike (since he only found out about the twin thing after he fell in 'love' with Seher) it just looks...I don't know what the word is to describe what I mean here..😕
And really his fall for her was done without him knowing anything about Seher herself so all he had to go for him was Seher's looks...
There really was such a disconnect shown in how he fell in 'love' with Seher and how they developed Sehan after Aher...
But anyways, I was highly uncomfortable to watch even the scenes of the three of them (SaSeHan) after Aher when Sehan was given some buildup because of all that history of Sahan...even if I ignored Sehan completely through out..

I think Sehan mostly worked for those that joined Q2 after Seher's entry when much of Sahan had already been over with so they are not too familiar with what was shown before. I guess that is why even the cvs convieniently decided to ignore Sahan ever happened, as those that were shipping the couple did not seem bothered by it at all...

With regards to Shaad, I will just say this much...

love can be selfish, but it is pure in essence as well. A lover would never choose to keep their love captive with them forcibly and away from her family...love and affection "forcibly" TAKEN from someone is something else altogether...there is another word for it.

I'm sure none of us would say that anyone has the right to take something from someone without their consent and to take it without their consent is criminal...




Thanx a lot, Aish.

I loved the way you have honestly put down your feelings.👏

Hmm...I agree with u that people may have ignored Rehaan's past with Sanam when they started shipping Sehaan..and it is really sad that it was not given a proper closure...


Even I felt he moved back knowing how much valued his love was/ not by SAnam...He did realise what she felt for him was only 'FRIENDSHIP' that he had mistaken as love.


The same way Shad must think Sanam/ Jannat reciprocates his feelings when she is only doing justice to her idea of a marriage...

This is why I dread her feelings when she gets introduced to Ahil and feels something for him...I hope they refer to him only as Nawab Saab and not Ahil anymore...Because she did cry out his name- so the name should matter to her.

As for being kept against her will...I just 'brush it away' (I am sorry- I know how sincere U R about your feelings and can understand that.) as his Naadani.

He doesn't know teh depth of true love that Sanam and Ahil has for each other.

For him 'I' is important...He thinks his love is divine...

I suppose everyone in love / infatuation thinks they are going thru an earth moving experience.

It will take time to knock sense into them.

I try to be patient with Shaad because he is BLIND...about his feelings and he is not able to see Sanam's plight.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: SheAish

Exactly KK...If Rehan had chosen to go further it would have to be like what is happening with Shaad and Jannat now...Because it was clear to him how Sanam saw him and how she viewed Ahil...

If he were to pursue Sanam despite knowing that and what us the audiance knew, then it would have been the obsession kind since it was obvious to him her affections lie elsewhere...

Really I believe that Sehan just worked for those that did not watch Q2 from the beginning...and I'm happy for them in that sense because otherwise it would have been difficult to feel strongly about it honestly...This is why we see some expressing their dislike for a possible pair up of Seher with Shaad.

Who would want a guy who once went so far as to keep a girl with him by deception even at the expense of keeping her away from her family and the one she obviously loves, to be paired with a character you genuinely like and who looks exactly like the girl he obsessed with...???
Your last line in your first post here aptly describes it...

Maybe if Seher is reintroduced essayed by a different actress after that accident...but still even apart from the look alike aspect, it would be hard to accept it considering what is happening now with Shaad and Jannat...
I certainly can't connect with Shaad anymore who ever he is paired with and I sincerely hope that the real Misbah would not be paired with him either...



Ouch, Aish.

Give the kid a chance to redeem himself...Even rapists are allowed to reform and forgiven by those they wronged..(Rarely!)

He is justified in his eyes...let him learn where he made the mistake...and redeem himself.

He has not even addresed the issue after the decalaration- The CVs have carefully kept him out and not given further explanation...so may be he plans to keep a distance till he solves the villain who has come so near him...his life's maksath is near him...and he will probably tackle the tangled web later?

We could forgive even an Ayan who stupidly went and asked for his bhaabhi to be married to him...and went the full extent with all the rituals...(Who saud they didn't have creative poverty back then too...Actually compared to how Zoyaan was executed, except for the AsYa hugs...this track is not too bad either...I mean execution wise and not storywise...

NOT SAYING THIS IS BETTER or NOT WORSE...Just that the tracks are comparably badly executed .😊

And I kind of tune out of everything outside the love story...beyond Junoon nothing exists for me, because I KNOW THAT IS HOW GUL WRITES HER STORIES.

Everyone is manipulated to accommodate the love story and its ups and downs.

Which actually makes any sort of discussion pointles...because Gul will never tackle the side stories well...SHE IS JUST NOT INTERESTED!🥱...Unless it can stretch the story further.😆





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