Point to be noted - Page 7

Originally posted by: butterfly15..

This thread seems to have become too personal.

I think everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Muslims believe in the words of the Qu'ran. And the Qu'ran along with other Islamic books, states what a Muslim can and cannot do, i.e. they cannot drink alcohol, dress showing their skin, having sexual realtions before marriage etc. These are not opinions. These are what is written in Islamic books. People however, choose whether to follow it or not. But Muslims know that the words of God cannot be changed.

@delena90, I have nothing against you. I think you're entitled to your opinion. Islam however existed since the beginning with Prophet Adam, the first man created, but God made it clear with Prophet Muhammad, and that's when the religion of Islam was perfectly formed.
I know you're an athiest and therefore you don't believe in any of this, but Muslims do believe in the Qu'ran, otherwise they can't be a Muslim. And if the Islamic books prohibit a Muslim from doing something, then it means it is forbidden, there's no two ways about it. People are either ignorant about their own religion or choose to be ignorant about it, but it doesn't mean what they do is actually allowed in the religion and I'm sure many know this but don't care. Unfortunately we can't pick and choose what we believe in a religion, you either believe in it or you don't. We can't make it up as we go along with it.
But you are right in the sense that God won't just look at someone's clothes, but it is a factor and it is clearly stated in Islamic books.
I have friends from many religions, they know they do wrong by their religion, but they don't see it as a big deal so carry on doing wrong, but it doesn't mean it's actually allowed in the religion.
I know you're probably thinking why is this person explaining all this to me when I'm an Atheist lol. But I just thought I'd explain so you understand why others might react strongly to your opinions.

My basic point was that religions do have certain things which are explicitly stated in religious books, but many choose to ignore it, but it doesn't make them a bad person, just that they give other factors more importance, but it doesn't mean the things which they do wrong are actually permissable in their religion.

Hope I made sense.

Originally posted by: butterfly15..

This thread seems to have become too personal.

I think everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Muslims believe in the words of the Qu'ran. And the Qu'ran along with other Islamic books, states what a Muslim can and cannot do, i.e. they cannot drink alcohol, dress showing their skin, having sexual realtions before marriage etc. These are not opinions. These are what is written in Islamic books. People however, choose whether to follow it or not. But Muslims know that the words of God cannot be changed.

@delena90, I have nothing against you. I think you're entitled to your opinion. Islam however existed since the beginning with Prophet Adam, the first man created, but God made it clear with Prophet Muhammad, and that's when the religion of Islam was perfectly formed.
I know you're an athiest and therefore you don't believe in any of this, but Muslims do believe in the Qu'ran, otherwise they can't be a Muslim. And if the Islamic books prohibit a Muslim from doing something, then it means it is forbidden, there's no two ways about it. People are either ignorant about their own religion or choose to be ignorant about it, but it doesn't mean what they do is actually allowed in the religion and I'm sure many know this but don't care. Unfortunately we can't pick and choose what we believe in a religion, you either believe in it or you don't. We can't make it up as we go along with it.
But you are right in the sense that God won't just look at someone's clothes, but it is a factor and it is clearly stated in Islamic books.
I have friends from many religions, they know they do wrong by their religion, but they don't see it as a big deal so carry on doing wrong, but it doesn't mean it's actually allowed in the religion.
I know you're probably thinking why is this person explaining all this to me when I'm an Atheist lol. But I just thought I'd explain so you understand why others might react strongly to your opinions.

My basic point was that religions do have certain things which are explicitly stated in religious books, but many choose to ignore it, but it doesn't make them a bad person, just that they give other factors more importance, but it doesn't mean the things which they do wrong are actually permissable in their religion.

Hope I made sense.

Originally posted by: simran45

you knou need to survey things as i can'texplain everything n u said na u have muslim freinds tell them yto say anything about quran i m sure they will help you

i didn't said a word about yopur religion or god or anyone so u have no right to talk about our Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) n by bringing Prophet Mohammad( peace be upon him ) name u showed me what is your thinking so i m out of this but i will still say this was nt right to show on tv that too lead girl n may be they will face consequences bye n take care 😃

Originally posted by: Marysaa

. DeAr delana you said tht the quran was wrting by a man LOL its definitly tht u dont know anything about the muslim religion nd its revelation nd its ascension. Please speak about your opinion but never about religion tht u dont even know

Originally posted by: simran45

🤗I know you are feeling disheartened but don't. Yes TV shows and movies do show things which are not sometimes not really practiced. This is true for all religions but that does not mean that those people do not respect it. They surely do and see the beauty is that people from different religions come together and create that. Sometimes its liked like the durgah scene and sometimes its hated.

Some practices were for a purpose during the times and perhaps they were needed. But as we have progressed and become civilised, we have changed. Earlier education for women was not allowed but now it is, right. Health of women was not important but now it is. Women could not go outside but now they do. They work, they study, they make choices. Doctors do touch their patients to treat them, but the intent matters right. Similarly how we view things matters.

Clothing is important no doubt but it should be event, occasion, place and age appropriate rather than as a dictat. Even men roaming around in their undies is gross🤢 and yes they do that on the road🤢😆😆. But well just because NO one reprimands them does not mean they are right.

Originally posted by: delena90

It is only the Middle East and the Indian sub-continent that has an issue with "short" dresses.

Originally posted by: Laila2009

And people do in the west too - i have seen it.

Originally posted by: delena90

Allah/Christ/or any Hindu God didn't say these things matter. People who interpreted the religion to suit them did. God doesn't care about how you dress.

But it's going to be pointless arguing religion with you so I will leave it at this.

Originally posted by: simran45

exactly the same quran which was written not only 1000 but more than that but what is written in quran that time sceince is proving it now in our quran it is said earth was made by volcano n one day it bursts n get didvided in parts n then now our modern science is saying this in quran it is said iron is nt from the earth but i send it n now sceince showed that iron is by some start it was nt on earth n it is wriiten in our quran whatever u r talking it is theer only n finally u will listen what what u said so don't say wrong things n now sceinec said whatever v talk it is in air

u want some more examples i can give you so whatever is written in quran that is the truth wand that is important for every muslim to follow n ok people can wear mini skirt but then y they do namaz n namaz or dressing bot is in quran

Originally posted by: delena90

You do not speak for everyone.

Some Muslims don't wear this, others do. You cannot generalize and say every Muslim believes the same as you.