Gul Khan, what are you playing at? - Page 8

Originally posted by: r.s._08

I tried my hardest but I couldn't resist. Here is my two cents:

It's so hard to describe in words how much I hate Stephenie Meyer and the crap she came up with. How does anyone find a sparkly stalker vampire and a low self-esteemed girl falling in love interesting? I find it disturbing. There in a dangerously intimate relationship, she withdraws into isolation when he leaves her because the world means nothing without him and then she purposely throws herself into suicidal situations. The funny thing is, would Stephanie Meyer allow her own daughter to be with a man like that? I highly doubt it!

The same for Gul. Would she allow her daughter to be with a man like Asad. I highly doubt that as well. But yet in her shows all she portrays are woman that bow to there dominant others in the name of love. It gets extremely frustrating. I despised Khushi in IPK as well because all she did was cry and cower in fear. She creates the story of a brooding dominant man who falls in love with a weak beautiful girl. This dynamic to the relationship creates intrigue.The sad part is that women eat it up and Gul knows this and thats who she targets.

And it all comes back to the romance. Thats how no one really cares what she does with the female character and why she doesnt need to change her main plot points. Because if you put two very good looking actors together and they create absolute magic in the romantic scenes they do, no one cares what the "hero" did to the "heroine" and how badly he wronged her. No one cares because they know after a fight, there will definitely be a romantic sequence. They look forward to the fight scenes because the audience (women, whether young or old) know that they'll get a romantic scene between the two.

Originally posted by: ws12

I'd like to point out sth here... how is it that zoya is able to stand up to everyone else but asad? While she did stand up to asad quite well earlier, and now she doesn't even try - she just cries, proves her innocence and then forgives. Who was the Zoya that made him say sorry for nothing?

Another thing is that, not wanting to compare qh with gul's other shows but... in ipk even arnav was meant to feel guilt to an extreme sense... but then what? In the end, she forgave him, he forgave himself as well. Guilt is not something you can just let go of after its been built. It take a lot of work, and the leads just seem to be fine with letting go of the guilt.

Yes some of the women are stronger like Dilshaad - which is great but Badi bi and stuff - showing things like hanging her upside down is very immoral.

And having a heart of gold is great, but its important to respect yourself and be good to yourself before you respect or think about others. If you are self-sacrificing then others will walk over you... not every one has a heart of gold - exactly what asad and tanveer are doing with zoya.

I am strong believer of control your children.

Originally posted by: ---Nisha---

Serious problem with feminists 😲 😲

Problem with the women who fought for your right to vote, to live and breathe freely without the presence of a man in your life!!! 😲 😲

Things are much better for women now...agreed but they are still not good. Women do not get paid the same to do the same job. Only a tiny percentage of women hold prominent places in business and government. It's still a patriarchal world. Still sexism exists...I could go on and on.

Just because things are better does not mean they are the best, or that people should stop giving a damn. Did you know we were only one supreme court justice away from having roe v wade repealed. If some conservative guy had been appointed and roe v wade had gone to supreme court then we would have lost that right that we take for granted right now. Never take things for granted sweety because before you know it...you might lose those rights.

And, you say its just one flaw in Asad. Well the lack of ability to trust the woman you claim to love is a very big flaw. To taunt and insult the woman you claim to love is a very big flaw because you are disrespecting that her when you do that. You are hurting that woman when you do that but who the hell cares right because he comes the very next day and asks for forgiveness. Who cares that he does the same mistake over and over again. Btw, he does not just have one big flaw...he has so many. Arrogance, hypocrisy, inability to trust the woman he loves, never learning from his mistakes. Doesnt sound like a treat to me...

@TM: Bravo 👏 👏👏

You said it perfectly. And yes I agree with others that it's only fiction but it has such an impact on impressionable minds. And yes, I suppose, the entertainment industry has no duty towards the public but regardless maybe they should show caution or maybe Gul's shows should come with a disclaimer...The hero is a jackass regardless of the fact that we romantize him, so do not take the show seriously...This show is not suitable for teenagers with impressionable minds 😆

Thanks. I was just gauging the reactions of people re Asad's date.. but that dude has got SERIOUS apologizing to do.. before he can even allow himself to come close to her. LOL!! The disclaimer made me LMAO!!😆

Originally posted by: sabet

When Zoya was introduced , she was very feisty and she was saying some staffs which we hardly see in Indian tv, like women speaking their minds and saying "In this country, for every bad things happen to girls, why society blames girls" but suddenly for a couple of months, I saw everything is changing. She is taking Asad's borderline abusive behavior. If Gul khan thinks, it is romantic and all that, I beg to differ, it's not. I like Asad but he never learnt from his mistakes, as for Zoya, what happened to that Fiesty girl. It's so OOC for Zoya , she is crying and taking every crap... As much as I used to like Asad/Zoya but I have started to feel like their relationship is becoming abusive and I have started to feel negativity for that part.

I think the same thing too. Zoya wouldn't have let Asad keep talking to her like the way he does over and over again.

Originally posted by: hamzanuha

@ TM - Beautiful post & so lucidly put. You deserve a thunderous round of applause 👏

Almost all shows on Indian television show women being abused in one form or other and putting up with it. And it's not that it's only fiction, it happens in real life too. Even in cities in India, from a tender age girls are taught to revere the menfolk, be it father, brother or husband. No matter how well-educated, they're taught to put up with any sort of treatment from the in-laws, agar ladki wapas aagayi to log kya kahenge! Gul is merely enforcing the existing stereotypes, as are all the production houses!

The male ego is a gigantic one and more fragile than a bubble. On the one hand, it gets hurt easily while on the other, death is preferable to saying he was wrong or apologising. And the woman suffers from the tenderest of hearts. She will go to any lengths for her loved ones. Even put up with abuse from the very same ones. All in the name of love.

Zeenat Aman is an excellent example. She was a very liberated woman of her time. Her marriage with Mazhar Khan was a troubled one. She said she suffered all kinds of abuse at his hands. When asked why she bore with it for so long, her answer was that she loved him and thought she could eventually change him. She finally realised the truth when he turned her own sons against her (and they beat her up)

Another point is in India, the old mentality still exists that the son is more important than the daughter. The mothers and grandmothers spoil the son(s) rotten while the daughters are neglected to the point of malnutrition and illiteracy (in poorer families). With the result, these boys grow up with bloated egos and a misguided sense of being superior to women. I feel this is largely to blame for the rampant rapes being reported everyday. The mentality that they can do anything and women have to put up with it without complaint. And politicians with their chauvinistic statements only give credence to this mentality.

Sorry for such a rambling post and also if I've digressed. (You can guess I've been a literature student and old habits (writing lengthy answers) die hard 😉) And I didn't even start on the emotions yet.

Agreed

Wow😲 I had no idea Zeenat Aman's scandal went that far. Though in all honesty, with the media these days you don't know whom to believe.

Originally posted by: mehvy12

I like your post and you make many valid points. There are some who may possibly follow what TV shows are portraying, and there are some who may not. This is the problem; the audience for any show is so vast and varied that it is impossible to address each group. For example, when I was younger I strictly stuck to cartoons, but this is not the case anymore with kids nowadays. Shows such as Indian dramas should show positive messages, such as a strong female lead. But honestly, no matter what is shown it will have positive and negative outcomes; this is something that can't be controlled. I do feel Asad needs to be a lot less mean and I hope he will change. Zoya needs to become her assertive self again, which has most probably been affected by love. At the end of the day we have to differentiate between real and reel (which can be hard for some), and take everything with a grain of salt.

P.s. Not trying to justify any character or action

You're right. And you make a valid point that there's a vast audience. But bearing that there are people who can be influenced.. don't you think the show and their makers should exercise some caution over what they show? Since when did 'twisting arms behind the back and pulling you closer' become 'HOT'?? If someone did that to me, 1) I'd be hurt and 2) Even if I like him I'd want to use my other arm to slap him in his face because he's hurting me.

Remember when Asad slapped her.. some people on this forum actually romanticized that idea??!!! 😲 ..I mean.. 'it was a HOT slap .. you could see the love'...WHAT?? WHERE?? HOW?? Seriously?

Originally posted by: Closed...

Media has a huge impact .. Especially to the young teenage souls... Obviously the understanding and ability to differentiate comes with a little thought, time and maturity.. Bit neither the less, it does still impact people some way or the other.. Whether its look wise, attitude wise, action wise, etc...

And AMAZING POST.. I really think you should post this up on Forum 32 so they can see... Gul needs to act smarter at times because obviously that's never the case with her ever-so heartless, stern heroes... She needs to understand what she is conveying out as a message because in today's day and age, media take a big role when it comes to influencing the masses... Majority are one way or the other, influenced by media... And to end it off, Asads character is being a asshole dunderhead ..so I don't think ant self respecting girl will easily forgive him for his loser ass behavior unless he does something truly out of the way to make up for it because at this point a date or a sorry is not enough...

I actually thought of posting this on forum 32.. but I have only been there once and I don't know/ am not bothered to know my way around it.. plus.. I have a feeling that it'll go ignored. Or she might get back to me to tell me why Asad screaming at Zoya is 'romantic'!!

Originally posted by: Jayne

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Good post.
Much has already been said on Ms. Gul Khan's shows, so I will refrain from treading the beaten path on this.
However, a much more serious matter has been raised...

On feminism, I have only this to say:

Many people all over the world associate feminism only with activism; but at its core, feminism begins with an instinct and an understanding that things are not equal.

By "feminism", I mean the belief that women should not be disadvantaged by their sex, that they should be recognized as having human dignity equally with men, and the opportunity to live as fulfilling and as as freely chosen lives as men can.

For those women and girls who seem to think we have a lot of 'freedom' now, please bear in mind that the right to vote for women is not even a 100 years old!
Up until then, woman was considered property. (Hint: In a majority of the world, she is still considered thus!)</font><font color="#0000CC" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><font size="3">
For every freedom centuries and millennium of blood, sweat, and tears have been shed.

And the freedom we now enjoy is very tenuous at best, just because such women and girls seem to take it for granted.
In fact, I have seen it eroding away, even in Western cultures.
There is an insidious attack and the enemy is from within the ranks!

Especially as it comes to Indian society (though applicable everywhere in various degrees), there is no real freedom.
The woman is still treated as second-class citizen... she is expected to be the model of decorum and decency, work outside the home, take care of the house and the children and be the perfect wife, mother, and DIL.
There are no similar expectations from a man. If he is good, the girl has good luck. If not, oh well!
He is accepted as who he is.

On top of this, women allow almost all lineages to carry the man's name, and also change their name after marriage voluntarily, as if they are property?!
How truly inexcusable and intolerable acts on the part of women, especially those who are educated and/or know better!

And this is just the tip of the ice-berg.
I can go on in length in terms of how serious this issue is, and how this show DOES impact people and its very popularity shows that it is reaching impressionable minds (young and old).
However, others have touched upon some of the salient aspects (for example, pay equity, Roe vs. Wade, moms + grand-moms teaching boys to be egoistic, etc.)

Unlike a handful of discerning me</font><font size="3">mbers who know to separate this truly abominable fiction from their real lives, majority of the posters are the 'accepting' lot.
I see post after post excusing Mr. Khan's behavior in various ways... most in the name of 'love'.
Trust me (and those handful of women), THAT is NOT love.
No matter how moony-eyed Mr.Khan becomes!

And then to see the hard-fought, hard-won rights of women be so casually taken is truly appalling!

A wake-up call is needed.
The rape in Delhi was not enough, it seems.
And all that woman did was ride a public bus with a guy friend.

When will it be enough?!

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I'm not a very good writer so it's very hard to pen down my thoughts. But watching these shows everyday with my mom, MIL I've an argument with them ( trust me almost everyday ) when I get upset over how GFs, DIL , women are treated. And to my surprise its not just men , women themselves suppress their rights, which is more troubling. My mom, MIL does try to defend men saying its their nature , that's how men are , women have more inner strength and more patience so they should understand and avoid problems between husband and wife. I'm like what ?
And that what makes even more harder for women to get their rights. I admit my husband is a little short tempered but I never accept if he's wrong , and we do end up sorting our problems. Mine was a arranged marriage and the very first advice my MIL gives me after my wedding is " men get angry easily , they are short tempered but if we keep calm and don't get mad , it won't complicate the situation. And there would be no fight. So you should understand. I'm like " excuse me ? " so unless and until women wouldn't want to take their rights , it's hard to change the whole world. It looks like women themselves are more to fault than men for not getting equal rights, or being abused by men.
Feminism is a big word but I'm sad that its true there are women who try to take unnecessary advantage in the name of feminism and there are some who never get those rights. I hope one day every woman understands the true meaning of Feminism.

PS : sorry it's not related to the post but it does make me upset how women crush down women's rights. That needs to be mended first and men suppressing women will automatically stop. That's my belief.

sorry, but i disagree.i always get amused when people put all the responsibilities of educating audiences through a medium which is supposed to entertain.as for people getting influenced by tv shows, there will always be the ones who want to do certain things and then blame it on tv shows or films.by that logic, only ideal characters and ideal situations should be depicted in books or films or tv shows.