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Posted: 12 years ago

#51

Excellent post!!!!

Gul's heroes always abuse the woman emotionally and physically. always misunderstand her, rarely listen to her and after a while when this continues it truly gets on ur nerves and this is not what is todays lessons for the youngsters. they are not vicitms and love is not a substitute for emotional abuse... so I totally agree with u!!

REDEMPTION - the heroes have never heard of it nor has the extended family that tortures the girl till they get her... but he still does not...

so when girls swoon over a simple sorry... while the girl is expected to smile through the crap she is thrown... SAD!!

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Sanaa

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Posted: 12 years ago

#52

Originally posted by: BlahBytes

Aww no cause to regret. I am sure people will turn out ok. Our upbringing plays a major role too and I think the parents around are very very capable. Bad serials or bad books will cause no harm 😊

Oh don't worry.. part of the regret is fueled by the storyline. Bad books have proven to cause harm before, though... read: twilight. And you watched Dhoom? I loved Dhoom. But after it was released, there was a gang who tried to rob a bank (was it?) on motorbikes..!! Influence of Indian Cinema

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-DarkSlayer-

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Posted: 12 years ago

#53

Originally posted by: Jahapana6packs
I see where u are coming from but then again its called fictional for a reason dont u think?
If people take these shows so seriously and start implementing in real life then they should pretty much not make anything for entertainment. Like... No human can fly so showing superman fly might affect childern who love superman coz they might think they can fly and attempt it :/ ? So whose fault will it be here? Defo not the makers of SM.
Idk if I make sense or not but if people take these so seriously then I think they should do something abt it rather then saying to stop making these to makers.. NOT coz I love watching asad being a prat to zoya . Such a bas***d he is!! but ya so not for that reason, its coz saying this to anyone is not gonna change anything Coz All entertainment world shows something or the other thats wrong now they cant change all can they?
thats why I say people should Not take drams seriously esp Indian dramas!

I agree with you on this one. Twilight and Fifty Shades aren't what we consider "literature". Books like that give a headway to wild imaginations but there is obviously a difference between reality and fiction (the reason why these books have been characterised by erotic fiction or fantasy fiction), which is obviously then brought into TV shows. Another example would be Vampire Diaries. Those of you who keep up with the show know what I mean. As an audience, one should be able to differentiate between "script" and "reality". Even though Asad acts like a prat and Zoya forgives him isn't exactly giving headway for girls to just forgive them, that's where "scripted" comes in because only the CV's know what's going to happen with them. Now, in reality, if someone has a break-up or has gone through a bad relationship, they're probably not going to go back and say "Asad mistreated Zoya but she forgave him" or "Edward left Bella and tortured her for eight months with his absence enough for her to try and commit suicide, yet she still forgave him" or even "Anastasia went back to Christian because even though he put her through a mental torture she still forgave him". Entertainment is the action of providing or being provided with amusement or enjoyment, these dramas (be it Western or Indian or any other language) are made for entertainment purposes only. Something that is clearly stated when the show starts. Entertainment is entertainment, it's not something that people need to take to heart and saw "This is the law and we must follow it". Absolutely not. For me it's just a simple case of learning to differentiate between "reality" and "script" because once you do, even though you may be a big fan of one show, it's not going to wrap it around your head so much that your brain starts taking irrational decisions post shutting down the rational part of your brain.

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Sanaa

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Posted: 12 years ago

#54

Originally posted by: Ankita.M

We can agree to disagree, because honestly I really do not think there are girls of our age or some much more older watching daily soaps for learning or being influenced. Plus this is like the billionth show on tv and there are various characters in them all, but does not mean each of them are here to teach us anything, not the shows not the characters. I think these shows are entertainment, and every little thing does not mean to give us a lesson for life.

If misunderstandings are solved, Asad changes overnight, his character is bend to please the forum complaining of Asad being an MCP LOL and Zoya is made hard to him, leaves him and goes and never comes back ( like in your OS ) and the story halts at that, with nothing left to show and the audience won't watch it, the trp drops, and there is the answer to what the audience wants, "entertainment" not lessons.

Agreed. (To Disagree)

Asad doesn't have to change over night. But how many times does he need to be proved wrong to finally start trusting her? Plus They managed to change Zoya over night. From the feisty, no nonsense girl she suddenly became the quiet, tolerating girl? Initially.. she made him sorry when he didn't even need to!! 😆

And I agree audience wants 'entertainment' but is that the only form of entertainment these days on TV? Women being trampled over? Because that is exactly what they'll take away from all these shows..

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Sanaa

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Posted: 12 years ago

#55

Originally posted by: AWriterAtHeart

I agree with you on this one. Twilight and Fifty Shades aren't what we consider "literature". Books like that give a headway to wild imaginations but there is obviously a difference between reality and fiction (the reason why these books have been characterised by erotic fiction or fantasy fiction), which is obviously then brought into TV shows. Another example would be Vampire Diaries. Those of you who keep up with the show know what I mean. As an audience, one should be able to differentiate between "script" and "reality". Even though Asad acts like a prat and Zoya forgives him isn't exactly giving headway for girls to just forgive them, that's where "scripted" comes in because only the CV's know what's going to happen with them. Now, in reality, if someone has a break-up or has gone through a bad relationship, they're probably not going to go back and say "Asad mistreated Zoya but she forgave him" or "Edward left Bella and tortured her for eight months with his absence enough for her to try and commit suicide, yet she still forgave him" or even "Anastasia went back to Christian because even though he put her through a mental torture she still forgave him". Entertainment is the action of providing or being provided with amusement or enjoyment, these dramas (be it Western or Indian or any other language) are made for entertainment purposes only. Something that is clearly stated when the show starts. Entertainment is entertainment, it's not something that people need to take to heart and saw "This is the law and we must follow it". Absolutely not. For me it's just a simple case of learning to differentiate between "reality" and "script" because once you do, even though you may be a big fan of one show, it's not going to wrap it around your head so much that your brain starts taking irrational decisions post shutting down the rational part of your brain.

What's scripted IS fictional no doubt. But people get influenced easily, even when they shouldn't. I was talking to my flatmate, from India and she told me that people try and follow characters' ways of behaviour. And if you google it, you'll find teenage girls trying to be Vampires.That's extreme. But many will be influenced enough to say 'Oh.. but if I give so and so time, he'll change' because they've seen change in TV series and the hope builds inside them. It's not a conscious thought of 'Edwarda and bella did'..

So even though all this is fictional and shouldn't have an effect on people's thoughts and actions, it still does. That's all I'm trying to bring out. And the television industry has been around for enough years to know it does.. so a show portraying love like Asad's (at this point in time in the show)? If something like this happens to them, people will start thinking it's the real deal.

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-Anku-

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Posted: 12 years ago

#56

Originally posted by: Sanaa629

Agreed. (To Disagree)

Asad doesn't have to change over night. But how many times does he need to be proved wrong to finally start trusting her? Plus They managed to change Zoya over night. From the feisty, no nonsense girl she suddenly became the quiet, tolerating girl? Initially.. she made him sorry when he didn't even need to!! 😆

And I agree audience wants 'entertainment' but is that the only form of entertainment these days on TV? Women being trampled over? Because that is exactly what they'll take away from all these shows..

I honestly don't see where the idea of woman of trampling over comes from ? If the shows gotten over and there has been no justification I'd be the one making the topic too, but the story is yet in its course.

Secondly like you said Asad does not have to change overnight and he has not changed either and cannot, a habit good or bad develops and intensifies in years and it needs its own time to understand, realize and change. How much time has it been since he has fallen in love? And a man who never wanted to love because he knew he can't, he fought with those feelings and wanted to run away from them because he knew the differences between them would make him give her pain, he has accepted it? So now that he has by and by come to accept those feelings to himself we can't expect the man to change the next day, he is still the same judgmental Akdu Asad. And sorry I do not agree that Zoya has become tolerant, she yet fights it out and speaks up, doesn't cry in the corner of her room, if he does not listen, she yet walks head held high because she has a clear conscience. Does not weep about how it matters if Asad is believing her or not. But love mellows you down, and its happened with both Asad and Zoya if u see the graph.

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iqbalslover

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Posted: 12 years ago

#57

i agree with topicmaker

ok this is a fictional show,, i personally would nevr behave like zoya

i am mature... in my early twenties but THERE ARE many teenagers who find guys like asad very romantic and want such real life partners beleive me they dooo...

there r viewers who watch the show forget it and move on

but there r many teenagers who discuss each and every detail and keep thinking about just a show as if they r real life characters

believe me there r such teenagers😆 i have seeen such crazy fans

Edited by iqbalslover - 12 years ago

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---Nisha---

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Posted: 12 years ago

#58

Originally posted by: StonerGirL
Okay im a girl too and i dunno why but i hv a serrriooous problem with feminists and all this feminism...these days things hv bcm MUCH better for woman...woman hv sooo many rights..they jus need to reach out for them..but we jus dnt seem to be crying now do we?? I mean im pissed off with asad too..but lemme ask u if u luvd smbdy wud u actually let smthing cm in btw u..once u see smbdy regret for it or be sorry or wish he hadnt done it...i mean i agree he jus keeps on running in circles...but thts jus 1 flaw...theres so many things he luvs in her too...or does to make her happy...all in all im pissed with wht the cvs r doing too..but i think bringing the feminist out into u wnt do u any good itll jus frustrate u

Serious problem with feminists 😲 😲

Problem with the women who fought for your right to vote, to live and breathe freely without the presence of a man in your life!!! 😲 😲

Things are much better for women now...agreed but they are still not good. Women do not get paid the same to do the same job. Only a tiny percentage of women hold prominent places in business and government. It's still a patriarchal world. Still sexism exists...I could go on and on.

Just because things are better does not mean they are the best, or that people should stop giving a damn. Did you know we were only one supreme court justice away from having roe v wade repealed. If some conservative guy had been appointed and roe v wade had gone to supreme court then we would have lost that right that we take for granted right now. Never take things for granted sweety because before you know it...you might lose those rights.

And, you say its just one flaw in Asad. Well the lack of ability to trust the woman you claim to love is a very big flaw. To taunt and insult the woman you claim to love is a very big flaw because you are disrespecting that her when you do that. You are hurting that woman when you do that but who the hell cares right because he comes the very next day and asks for forgiveness. Who cares that he does the same mistake over and over again. Btw, he does not just have one big flaw...he has so many. Arrogance, hypocrisy, inability to trust the woman he loves, never learning from his mistakes. Doesnt sound like a treat to me...

@TM: Bravo 👏 👏👏

You said it perfectly. And yes I agree with others that it's only fiction but it has such an impact on impressionable minds. And yes, I suppose, the entertainment industry has no duty towards the public but regardless maybe they should show caution or maybe Gul's shows should come with a disclaimer...The hero is a jackass regardless of the fact that we romantize him, so do not take the show seriously...This show is not suitable for teenagers with impressionable minds 😆

Edited by ---Nisha--- - 12 years ago

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sabet

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Posted: 12 years ago

#59

When Zoya was introduced , she was very feisty and she was saying some staffs which we hardly see in Indian tv, like women speaking their minds and saying "In this country, for every bad things happen to girls, why society blames girls" but suddenly for a couple of months, I saw everything is changing. She is taking Asad's borderline abusive behavior. If Gul khan thinks, it is romantic and all that, I beg to differ, it's not. I like Asad but he never learnt from his mistakes, as for Zoya, what happened to that Fiesty girl. It's so OOC for Zoya , she is crying and taking every crap... As much as I used to like Asad/Zoya but I have started to feel like their relationship is becoming abusive and I have started to feel negativity for that part.

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Rana

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Posted: 12 years ago

#60

@ TM - Beautiful post & so lucidly put. You deserve a thunderous round of applause 👏

Almost all shows on Indian television show women being abused in one form or other and putting up with it. And it's not that it's only fiction, it happens in real life too. Even in cities in India, from a tender age girls are taught to revere the menfolk, be it father, brother or husband. No matter how well-educated, they're taught to put up with any sort of treatment from the in-laws, agar ladki wapas aagayi to log kya kahenge! Gul is merely enforcing the existing stereotypes, as are all the production houses!

The male ego is a gigantic one and more fragile than a bubble. On the one hand, it gets hurt easily while on the other, death is preferable to saying he was wrong or apologising. And the woman suffers from the tenderest of hearts. She will go to any lengths for her loved ones. Even put up with abuse from the very same ones. All in the name of love.

Zeenat Aman is an excellent example. She was a very liberated woman of her time. Her marriage with Mazhar Khan was a troubled one. She said she suffered all kinds of abuse at his hands. When asked why she bore with it for so long, her answer was that she loved him and thought she could eventually change him. She finally realised the truth when he turned her own sons against her (and they beat her up)

Another point is in India, the old mentality still exists that the son is more important than the daughter. The mothers and grandmothers spoil the son(s) rotten while the daughters are neglected to the point of malnutrition and illiteracy (in poorer families). With the result, these boys grow up with bloated egos and a misguided sense of being superior to women. I feel this is largely to blame for the rampant rapes being reported everyday. The mentality that they can do anything and women have to put up with it without complaint. And politicians with their chauvinistic statements only give credence to this mentality.

Sorry for such a rambling post and also if I've digressed. (You can guess I've been a literature student and old habits (writing lengthy answers) die hard 😉) And I didn't even start on the emotions yet.

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