Gul Khan, what are you playing at? - Page 4

Bravo 👏 excellent excellent post .
Not just Gul but most show makers nowadays need to understand that although its fiction and meant to be just for entertainment , in real that's not the case. Youngsters today are influenced more by their favorite shows , actors rather than from their elders/parents/people around them. And believe it or not it is true.
Just a few months back I used to say this too, that its just fiction. But the more I got onto IF , and got introduced to new sites , I'm amazed at how people ( not just youngsters , all age ) are affected by these shows and try to incorporate the same in their daily life. It just leaves me spell bound. You are right this is not the message you want to pass to people.
Every other show has a male lead who's a angry young man , hate at first that changes into love and not to forget the abuse which girls nowadays take it as " wow how romantic ", he twisted her arm and pinned her to the wall , for Godsake. Not only women they are passing on wrong message to the male population as well. As if it is ok to abuse, humiliate your girlfriend/wife as long as you say sorry and get romantic afterwards.
Whatever happened to love at first sight , love gestures , tender touches ...is it out of fashion or what ? Girls/ women don't like gentlemen any more ?

I feel they're showing the same concept of a tortured bahu from Saas bahu shows , except that here there's a tortured girlfriend / wife and people are liking that. I won't blame the PH only, because even viewers like it and it does raise their TRPs , which I would never understand why ?

Originally posted by: Ankita.M

Sanaa as much as I really adore your posts I beg to differ. This is a show, a piece of fiction and a work of writers who have creative liberty to show what their story is. I am not saying we do not have the rights to judge actions of characters into right or wrong, but I think its gonna go way ahead if keep a watch over it being moral police(not saying you are, but many do right?) This is just a daily show, and none of us here watch it to learn anything or pick up anything to implement in our lives. There are various shows/plays/movies and so on who show different stories, characters with different characters, this is not even a peck of the kind of stories that are shown around really. We all and even the general audience watches these shows merely for entertainment. Its not about what a girl or teenager or any lover would react to what Asad does, its about what the particular character does. That is how Zoya's character is. The idea is to make Asad guiltier, when he realizes the truth and it hits him how even after his million mistakes Zoya had a heart as huge to take it all and yet not get down to getting back at him,

I am not justifying 4 lions or Asad's character, because we all have different ways we see the shows and stuff shown in it, and I see this as a story, and not as a man versus women, or women being shown down story. I feel in a way the women here are being shown stronger. Leaving the evil characters aside, what a woman of dignity is Dilshad, her husband leaves her for another woman but she does not let it get to her, she builds a life, raises her children all by herself and gives them morals no one else could. Shireen - though dumb, and who can be easily fooled, has a heart to let her husband go meet his first wife when she is on death bed, allow him to choose to stay with her or walk out. What a dignified woman is Badi bi, who can fall down the stares, being hung down a rope and so on but can yet come back to fight with a woman at this age to get her son and his family out of her shackles , and what a woman is Zoya, who has a heart of gold to think over everyone's good before herself, who can do anything to make people close to her heart happy, who has the ability of spreading happiness in the life of a man who knows nothing about it lol. And who'll end up changing a man whom many of us would give up on..

Sorry for the long rant, but If we're being feminist really, I see this entire scenario in a different light. Again, completely not justifying Gul, who is she to me anyway lol but I really think she has rather shown her woman as the ones who change heart of stones into gold.

I'd like to point out sth here... how is it that zoya is able to stand up to everyone else but asad? While she did stand up to asad quite well earlier, and now she doesn't even try - she just cries, proves her innocence and then forgives. Who was the Zoya that made him say sorry for nothing?

Another thing is that, not wanting to compare qh with gul's other shows but... in ipk even arnav was meant to feel guilt to an extreme sense... but then what? In the end, she forgave him, he forgave himself as well. Guilt is not something you can just let go of after its been built. It take a lot of work, and the leads just seem to be fine with letting go of the guilt.

Yes some of the women are stronger like Dilshaad - which is great but Badi bi and stuff - showing things like hanging her upside down is very immoral.

And having a heart of gold is great, but its important to respect yourself and be good to yourself before you respect or think about others. If you are self-sacrificing then others will walk over you... not every one has a heart of gold - exactly what asad and tanveer are doing with zoya.

At the end of the day, what Gul is doing is carrying out a tried and tested formula which was the basis of her earlier shows as well.

fabulous post...I dont find Asad behavior entertianing anymore...Its like infinite loop every 3rd day we reach there...But same goes to zoya..with sorry or nosorry she always forgive and forget as nothing happend...This girl ceased to have self respect. AT few ocassion it was situational, trauma..but now its daily routine of this show. Asad will misudnerstood only zoya not tanu not Ayaan not Dilshaad...only Zoya insult her publically and than say sorry...THis is like hell repititive and irriating, how zoya always forgive him within seconds too..

Originally posted by: Amri174

At the end of the day, what Gul is doing is carrying out a tried and tested formula which was the basis of her earlier shows as well.

1. Hero- Angry young man? Check.

2. Initially spunky and bubbly heroine? Check.

3. Boy and girl meet, hate each other, misunderstandings arise? Check.

4. Boy insults girl, pushes her against the door, spews venom on her? Check.

5. Love arises with the classic sari/dupatta scene? Check.

6. Heroine reduced to a spineless weeping willow? Check.

6. Boy again misunderstands girl, and there you have the repetition of items 1-6 countless times as TRP's touch the roof!!!

One more - boy so egoistic ,can't say sorry to anyone else but does try hard and says it too the girl ... And viewers go " aww so romantic "
REALLY?

Originally posted by: ..lara..

Superb, superb post. 👏

I haven't read either Twilight or FSOG - I need a strong heroine whose reason for existence isn't her lover. I'm disliking the fact that Zoya is slowly being turned into a wet noodle. Asad - well, I have given up on him a long time back.

The portrayal you talk about just doesn't screw with girls' minds; it makes guys think that girls only fall for the guy who does not treat them well. I've heard this stereotype from almost all guys I know.

By the way, I don't like Pattinson but I ROFLed when he said this about Stephanie Meyer on a talk show: "When I read it, I was convinced that Stephenie was convinced that she was Bella, and... it was like it was a book that wasn't supposed to be published, like reading her sort of sexual fantasy about some - especially when she says that it was based on a dream, and it's like, 'Oh, then I had a dream about this really sexy guy' and she just writes this book about it, and there's some things about Edward that are just so specific that I was just convinced that this woman is mad, she's completely mad, and she's in love with her own fictional creation."

@Bold - I've often asked myself a question. Who would I pick? Armaan or Asad. The answer's always been Armaan. He was a cheeky, fun loving character who loved Riddhima to no ends! Yeah he had his flaws sometimes, but he treated her like a princess! And practically worshipped the ground she walked on. He was always by her side, helping her with this that and the other. What more would a girl want?

I remember seeing ASR initially in IPK and him shouting at Khushi. Then she'd go home and Shyam (during the first few episodes when you didn't know his intentions) would be ultra nice to her. I used to think, WHY would she pick ASR over Shyam? Then obviously Shyam went bad and what not.. but point remains. After seeing this dark mysterious hero who mistreats girls, girls end up falling for these kind of guys and shunt good guys. Result, Good guys go bad! 😆

Oh.. I loved Pattinson for what he said. He said he loves Harry Potter more than Twilight! My hero! And he brought Cedric Diggory to life for me (ironic considering he was killed anyway)! 😆

Originally posted by: Amri174

At the end of the day, what Gul is doing is carrying out a tried and tested formula which was the basis of her earlier shows as well.

1. Hero- Emotionally unavailable, angry young man? Check.

2. Initially spunky and bubbly heroine? Check.

3. Boy and girl meet, hate each other, misunderstandings arise? Check.

4. Boy insults girl, pushes her against the door, spews venom on her? Check.

5. Love arises with the classic sari/dupatta scene? Check.

6. Heroine reduced to a spineless weeping willow? Check.

6. Boy again misunderstands girl, and there you have the repetition of items 1-6 countless times as TRP's touch the roof!!!

Yepp.. check check check..everything! I hate the idea of Zoya reducing to the spineless weeping willow!! 😡

Originally posted by: aRchiE_frieNds

One more - boy so egoistic ,can't say sorry to anyone else but does try hard and says it too the girl ... And viewers go " aww so romantic "
REALLY?

Originally posted by: Sanaa629

I know it's fiction and all. But watching it daily does get to your mind. People start empathizing with a particular character, and start behaving like them. And at bold, I watched bits of IPK.. and I know for sure that when Asad does realize his mistake all this time, he won't go on half the guilt trip everyone's expecting him to.

And I see it as a story too. Quite a good story with a good plot. But as I said before, little things do get to the person's mind. Take for example, the thing about the child jumping out the window thinking he could fly like shaktimaan. That's extreme. But in today's world, when girls date guys, guys tend to mistreat them. And if a girl's grown up watching this happening, she'll 'it'll be alright in the end' and let him continue doing that to her. See where I'm coming from?

Regarding all the other women you mentioned, I was very careful about not mentioning them because you're right. I agree with you. They are all brilliant characters but not those that teenagers and young women will identify with. They'll identify with Zoya mainly. Try and be like her. And in the process accept the shit their boyfriends may throw at them. That's where was mainly heading with the post. Maybe I did go a bit too extreme screaming 'feminism!'.. 😆

And don't worry. we're all entitled to our own opinion. Your 'rant' as you call it, though I prefer calling it a healthy argument, was actually really worth reading!

Originally posted by: Silentsoul

fabulous post...I dont find Asad behavior entertianing anymore...Its like infinite loop every 3rd day we reach there...But same goes to zoya..with sorry or nosorry she always forgive and forget as nothing happend...This girl ceased to have self respect. AT few ocassion it was situational, trauma..but now its daily routine of this show. Asad will misudnerstood only zoya not tanu not Ayaan not Dilshaad...only Zoya insult her publically and than say sorry...THis is like hell repititive and irriating, how zoya always forgive him within seconds too..

Exactly. People try to be like Zoya. Because she's the main heroine. Not the other women. So next time a guy insults them, they'll take it light heartedly and forgive him and run back to him! He'll shower materialistic things on them.. and they'll melt. Next day, he'll humiliate them again.. and back to square one. Where is the woman's self respect? Down the drain