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Posted: 12 years ago
#21

Originally posted by: Sanaa629



Every show has to have a vamp.. so I'm not really bothered with Tanveer. And sometimes, Muslim or not, some people are really evil. But I agree, the way she's been portraying women has been awful in the past shows. I'm sure of Khushi being mistreated..I never used to keep up with much with Geet. Even after Khushi was forcefully married to ASR I stopped completely. Because he frigging made her sleep outside near the pool!!! I would NOT forgive a guy for that if he merely came and said 'sorry'! And even if I did forgive him, I'd probably still never want to see his face again!

So you're right. Even when things like these do happen in reality. It takes a lot for someone to actually forget it. I mean, hasn't Asad heard the saying 'the tongue is the sharpest weapon in your body.' He should learn to frigging well control it! because 'sorry' and a coffee/date does not make up for the scars he's caused for a lifetime!


when it comes to humiliation IPKKND was too much...it reached heights than geet
3 months was a torture watching it even though it was my fav show...
she never bothers whether it affects the society or not...its only for trp's sake
its upto us to take good things and chuck the bad ones...

now i feel though shyam was evil he was better than this lady tanveer...i have never seen a women harming herself and the baby just for the sake of money and revenge ...that to forgiving the man who is responsible for her state and spoiling others life

disgusting...great creativity by gul
trust me she will never end and will continue the same track for months
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Posted: 12 years ago
#22

Originally posted by: faariah22

oh my wooorrdd!!!! i love you right now! i wrote an exam this morning, on morally correct decisions and when i came home i though of Qubool Hai (as always). i'm majoring in Women and Gender Studies and thought to myself that i would want to make a post regarding this. but you did, so thank you!😆


i feel the exact same as you. why are women always expected to forgive and let go so easily, and now everybody is going to feel so bad because Asad shed a few tears and expect zoya to just it go. i think that is unfair. but any way, thanks for an amazing post 👏



Wow.. Your course seems interesting..!! Mine is medical physiology. Not many essays.. but a damn lot of cramming 😕😆

yesterday's episode..and people's reactions to today's spoilers just triggered it all for me.

Thanks for your appreciation! 😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
#23
A loud round of applause fr ur post dear
u wrote what all I'm feeling right now
As for Twilight, I really dont understand the logic behind I love u but I love him more. According to me, you can love only one guy or only one girl.
And no please dont tell me Asad is gonna be like I love Tanveer but I love Zoya more. Then QH for me will be a no more.
Exactly if they keep on showing this it might affect the trps.
What are they playing at? Gals being ill treated and then turning into mush when the guy just says a simple sorry every time after repeating the same mistake and then takes her out on a date. Like really? What do they think women are? Puppets?
Edited by sweetshera - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#24
Was having a discussion with an Indian person. I'm not Indian, so you hope you'll understand what I will try to explain.

In France, we don't ship stars as much as you do. Even french cinema. We don't go to watch movies actually. When there is a big Hollywood production, you'll see people in theaters. We tend to prefer actions movies.

In India, they not only know about movies, but also about stars. Their personal lives etc. How they dress, where they shop. Even there are a lot of SBS segments. You see how TV actors spend their days.

They are so much influenced by actors, public personalities. They share like a personal relationship with the actors, their characters, without even knowing them.

SO you're right. They see things, accept them in their movies. The girl as to be like this, the boy also.
So in Tellywood, even if the boy tortures the girl, everything will be fine.

It's a vicious circle: does Gul take things from real life? Does Gul have to treat women better in her shows? More like, imposing respect?

But that's only a show, a drama. To entertain people. But yeah, she has to be more careful. Reminds me movies like Rang de Basanti etc.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#25

Originally posted by: Shaktipreeth

I agree to an extent, but the thing is whether one is from New York or India a woman in love is a very forgiving one. That's why women continue to live with cheaters, alcoholics and abusers because they would have loved them in the beginning and think that they will change. HOPE. That is the biggest thing and I am sure Zoya hopes that Asad will love her just like she loves him. I agree Asad is being a prick. But only through these suspicions is he getting to know about Zoya otherwise he doesn't know anything about her life. I think that lack of knowledge is what makes him vicious with Zoya. Otherwise he does things to help her. And he does apologise readily. There are men out there who even after making a mistake will not apologise. He did help Zoya find her father, gave her a work permit, proposed to her in the airport, and accepted that everything is true in front of aapi. So we are all not perfect we have our flaws and asad's biggest flaw is that he is looking for reasons to find fault with zoya so that he can convinice himself to not love her more than he already does. But he doesn't know that they are made for each other.



With all due respect, this post isn't about concentrating on what Asad did. This post is about Gul portraying women as weak and irrational. This portrayal of women will get to the real women's minds. Why do you think Women still live with alcoholics and abusers? You said it, because they have the hope that the guy will change. Sorry, but where do many of them get their hope from? Especially in India? TV series! So they see the girl in the dramas being mistreated by the guy and the girl putting up with it. They'll think 'if she can do it so can I'.. but once they see the girl stand up for herself, and show the women that this is actually not right, they think 'this is wrong!' clearly, they'll apply it to their own lives and realize they're living a lie. The guy probably will never change and it's high time she should leave him (providing she can).

You basically countered your own argument here.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Sanaa as much as I really adore your posts I beg to differ. This is a show, a piece of fiction and a work of writers who have creative liberty to show what their story is. I am not saying we do not have the rights to judge actions of characters into right or wrong, but I think its gonna go way ahead if keep a watch over it being moral police(not saying you are, but many do right?) This is just a daily show, and none of us here watch it to learn anything or pick up anything to implement in our lives. There are various shows/plays/movies and so on who show different stories, characters with different characters, this is not even a peck of the kind of stories that are shown around really. We all and even the general audience watches these shows merely for entertainment. Its not about what a girl or teenager or any lover would react to what Asad does, its about what the particular character does. That is how Zoya's character is. The idea is to make Asad guiltier, when he realizes the truth and it hits him how even after his million mistakes Zoya had a heart as huge to take it all and yet not get down to getting back at him,

I am not justifying 4 lions or Asad's character, because we all have different ways we see the shows and stuff shown in it, and I see this as a story, and not as a man versus women, or women being shown down story. I feel in a way the women here are being shown stronger. Leaving the evil characters aside, what a woman of dignity is Dilshad, her husband leaves her for another woman but she does not let it get to her, she builds a life, raises her children all by herself and gives them morals no one else could. Shireen - though dumb, and who can be easily fooled, has a heart to let her husband go meet his first wife when she is on death bed, allow him to choose to stay with her or walk out. What a dignified woman is Badi bi, who can fall down the stares, being hung down a rope and so on but can yet come back to fight with a woman at this age to get her son and his family out of her shackles , and what a woman is Zoya, who has a heart of gold to think over everyone's good before herself, who can do anything to make people close to her heart happy, who has the ability of spreading happiness in the life of a man who knows nothing about it lol. And who'll end up changing a man whom many of us would give up on..

Sorry for the long rant, but If we're being feminist really, I see this entire scenario in a different light. Again, completely not justifying Gul, who is she to me anyway lol but I really think she has rather shown her woman as the ones who change heart of stones into gold.
Edited by Ankita.M - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
#27

Originally posted by: Nawel

Was having a discussion with an Indian person. I'm not Indian, so you hope you'll understand what I will try to explain.


In France, we don't ship stars as much as you do. Even french cinema. We don't go to watch movies actually. When there is a big Hollywood production, you'll see people in theaters. We tend to prefer actions movies.

In India, they not only know about movies, but also about stars. Their personal lives etc. How they dress, where they shop. Even there are a lot of SBS segments. You see how TV actors spend their days.

They are so much influenced by actors, public personalities. They share like a personal relationship with the actors, their characters, without even knowing them.

SO you're right. They see things, accept them in their movies. The girl as to be like this, the boy also.
So in Tellywood, even if the boy tortures the girl, everything will be fine.

It's a vicious circle: does Gul take things from real life? Does Gul have to treat women better in her shows? More like, imposing respect?

But that's only a show, a drama. To entertain people. But yeah, she has to be more careful. Reminds me movies like Rang de Basanti etc.



your post reminded me exactly why I dislike Twilight! Some girls think it's 'real love' so they go kill themselves for a guy who left them? The book was mainly aimed at teenagers, and did Stephanie Meyer really want to show THIS? Gul Khan is basically being the Indian version of Stephanie Meyer! And I'm not from India either, but I know people almost worship stars and their lifestyle. I mean, TV is so important to them, so by watching all this stuff daily, it actually gets to their heads. They learn, it's alright if a guy mistreats me as long as he takes me on a date'..!!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sanaa629



your post reminded me exactly why I dislike Twilight! Some girls think it's 'real love' so they go kill themselves for a guy who left them? The book was mainly aimed at teenagers, and did Stephanie Meyer really want to show THIS? Gul Khan is basically being the Indian version of Stephanie Meyer! And I'm not from India either, but I know people almost worship stars and their lifestyle. I mean, TV is so important to them, so by watching all this stuff daily, it actually gets to their heads. They learn, it's alright if a guy mistreats me as long as he takes me on a date'..!!


Yeah it becomes a real problem. They have a misconception of love. Talking about other shows. But here in Qubool Hai or other Gul Khan shows, they show us the man, who has 99 problems. And the woman helps him to forget all of them.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Just copy pasting what I said in another post,

I for one have never been able to make peace with Asad's behaviour . And do you know what is even more shocking? The fact that most of the girls and women on this forum, whom I am guessing are in their teens and their twenties, fully extend their support for Asad when he does something "romantic" and "passionate" after lambasting Zoya for an hour. [BTW i am not older myself, I am in my early twenties;) ]


Even worse, what he is doing in tomorrow's episode- buying a woman's forgiveness by taking her out on a date. Is giving gifts and being materialistic an answer for emotionally wounding a woman? The answer is a big NO.


I guess my perspective is different because two semesters of gender studies does make you think things in a different way, that some things are just not acceptable, even in fiction.


I guess we are in the minority of fans here (still a substantial number though) who agree that Asad and Zoya's relationship is borderline abusive.


I have seen and read of so many women who live miserable lives in the hope that their physically/ verbally abusive husbands will reform and turn a new leaf.

And what is different in Zoya's case? Not much. Okay, Asad doesn't beat her (If u discount the slap, which I still condemn), but he doesn't let go of any opportunity to rain a lengthy lecture on her morals, her upbringing and her principles.


And give me a break from the whole their relationship has not yet matured spiel- it's been 6 months, how longer do the fans expect the heroine to tolerate it?


I agree that this is just a fictional character, and many may think I take this too seriously- but studies have shown how representations of women in media have certain undeniable ramifications as far as societal behaviours and attitudes are concerned.


And I can also see how women fall for this, and I include myself- fantasies of a dark handsome man riding a horse is just ingrained into our psyche, and we women are lost in the dreams of capturing the hearts of these emotionally unavailable, albeit intensely passionate men. Mr. Darcy from P and P is the best example, I think!


A big sorry for the ultra long post:)
Edited by Amri174 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Ankita.M

Sanaa as much as I really adore your posts I beg to differ. This is a show, a piece of fiction and a work of writers who have creative liberty to show what their story is. I am not saying we do not have the rights to judge actions of characters into right or wrong, but I think its gonna go way ahead if keep a watch over it being moral police(not saying you are, but many do right?) This is just a daily show, and none of us here watch it to learn anything or pick up anything to implement in our lives. There are various shows/plays/movies and so on who show different stories, characters with different characters, this is not even a peck of the kind of stories that are shown around really. We all and even the general audience watches these shows merely for entertainment. Its not about what a girl or teenager or any lover would react to what Asad does, its about what the particular character does. That is how Zoya's character is. The idea is to make Asad guiltier, when he realizes the truth and it hits him how even after his million mistakes Zoya had a heart as huge to take it all and yet not get down to getting back at him.


I am not justifying 4 lions or Asad's character, because we all have different ways we see the shows and stuff shown in it, and I see this as a story, and not as a man versus women, or women being shown down story. I feel in a way the women here are being shown stronger. Leaving the evil characters aside, what a woman of dignity is Dilshad, her husband leaves her for another woman but she does not let it get to her, she builds a life, raises her children all by herself and gives them morals no one else could. Shireen - though dumb, and who can be easily fooled, has a heart to let her husband go meet his first wife when she is on death bed, allow him to choose to stay with her or walk out. What a dignified woman is Badi bi, who can fall down the stares, being hung down a rope and so on but can yet come back to fight with a woman at this age to get her son and his family out of her shackles , and what a woman is Zoya, who has a heart of gold to think over everyone's good before herself, who can do anything to make people close to her heart happy, who has the ability of spreading happiness in the life of a man who knows nothing about it lol. And who'll end up changing a man whom many of us would give up on..

Sorry for the long rant, but If we're being feminist really, I see this entire scenario in a different light. Again, completely not justifying Gul, who is she to me anyway lol but I really think she has rather shown her woman as the ones who change heart of stones into gold.



I know it's fiction and all. But watching it daily does get to your mind. People start empathizing with a particular character, and start behaving like them. And at bold, I watched bits of IPK.. and I know for sure that when Asad does realize his mistake all this time, he won't go on half the guilt trip everyone's expecting him to.

And I see it as a story too. Quite a good story with a good plot. But as I said before, little things do get to the person's mind. Take for example, the thing about the child jumping out the window thinking he could fly like shaktimaan. That's extreme. But in today's world, when girls date guys, guys tend to mistreat them. And if a girl's grown up watching this happening, she'll 'it'll be alright in the end' and let him continue doing that to her. See where I'm coming from?

Regarding all the other women you mentioned, I was very careful about not mentioning them because you're right. I agree with you. They are all brilliant characters but not those that teenagers and young women will identify with. They'll identify with Zoya mainly. Try and be like her. And in the process accept the shit their boyfriends may throw at them. That's where was mainly heading with the post. Maybe I did go a bit too extreme screaming 'feminism!'.. 😆

And don't worry. we're all entitled to our own opinion. Your 'rant' as you call it, though I prefer calling it a healthy argument, was actually really worth reading!

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