23/7 Dragon Club:Bua Vs AarYa:Who wins ? - Page 20

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AngeloScuro thumbnail
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Posted: 13 years ago

@Red: While reading your take I felt your DP's eyes were sending out laser lights that were cutting into the episode and Mr. Principal. Thoroughly enjoyed reading your take. I think by now the Mr. Principal would be burned to a crisp if he was on sight.

@Indu: Loved your take from the viewpoint of a parent.

@Saf: I always enjoy reading your take as it refreshes my mind on things I might have missed while watching the episode.

@Kirthi: Guess everyone did not like the Mr. Principal from giving out unsolicited advice. But believe me I've met all these types of people who give out unsolicited advice. No not from this forum in real life😆

Edited by AngelDark - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
@Indu : Initial days of parenting is tough ..from nappy changing to making sure their sleeping time , eating time all r proper is a complete learning process every parents go through .. then comes the phase where u put focus on your child's overall growth and development .. in most cases parents get tips from their own parents and thats how they learn to deal with their kids ...
Here Gayatri herself might hv been a good parent since all 3 sons Pankaj-Pratik-Yash r quite well behaved but she is not really a good guide for AarYa I feel but only a follower to her husband and Daddy Scindia too is more involved in his own world of rules and regulations and so again he too is not a good guide for AarYa in that sense ... Shobha too is more of a preacher than a guide ... So Aarti and Yash hv the challenge of themselves learning from their own mistakes and becoming a better parent on their own without any such help or guide from their own parents .. and thats a tough challenge for them which they will hv to overcome ...🤔
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Posted: 13 years ago
@Angel:

Thanks! 😆. Apparently, the avatar is called the "Eye Storm" but laser is better.

The teaching staff including the principal at Paterson (?) Convent High School need to attend some training sessions themselves - "How to Talk to Parents Without Being Offensive and Without Poking My Long And Pointy Nose into Their Personal Matters" 😆

BTW, I missed some graphics from your post on page 1 regarding the AKJ and PKJ. Any chance of being able to see it?
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Posted: 13 years ago
@Jyo: You have a really good point there. Neither Yash nor Aarti have really had any guidance about parenting. While the Dubeys supported Aarti, I don't think they ever interfered in the way she chose to raise Ansh. Even now, Shobha is least concerned with Aarti becoming PayPal's mother, as long as she wins Yash and dives into bed with him. For Yash it is better in the sense that he did have a more solid support system, but worse because they taught his kids some questionable behaviour and gave them deep seated insecurities that, for Palak, at least, played on the trauma already faced by their mom's death. They either exalted Yash for the tiniest gesture, or shunned him away from his kids entirely, never really taking the time to guide him towards being a good parent. They have to feel around in the dark and understand what being a good parent means. That is why I am glad there are people like the principal around, who can give them reminders of how far they still need to go.
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Posted: 13 years ago
Punar VivaahAnsh says, "Papa aapne mere liye aisi speech kyu likhi, sublog has rahe hai mere upar." Do you think this situation will affect Ansh and Yash's relation?
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Posted: 13 years ago
@Jyo: Exactly. Parenting can never be patented...simply because no two sets of parents and no two sets of children are similar...even if they belong to the same family. Physical parenting can be learnt from elders, but when it comes to wholesome growth of your child, parenting becomes purely instinctive and intuitive. For instance, SP can impose his will and thinking on his sons and but not on his grandchildren, because then he will be limiting them to his learning...forgetting that his grand kids were born in another time. This is why Palak/Payal's rearing turned so faulty... they were being brought up by women with orthodox ideas and thinking...and repercussion of that is suffered by Aarti and Yash as parents. Once these two start interacting in tandem and get the pulse of their children, they will prove to be very good parents. They are eager to learn, they listen to each other, they are slowly getting to be proactive, and, most importantly, they are taking clues from each other. There are issues only a mother can handle, and there are some matters only fathers can take care of...They will learn when to take back seat and give silent support when the other is in-charge...just as they did in Palak's confidence-building home speech.
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Posted: 13 years ago
@Samana : Thats the main problem .. before blaming Yash and Aarti , one needs to see what the elders hv really done ... Shobha daily calling her up and putting pressure on her to bed her husband is not really helping her cause because her mission is to win Yash's trust by becoming PayPal's mother rather than sleeping with him
Even the senior Scindias r more interested in ArYa milan followed by a pota 😆 rather than taking interest in guiding AarYa to become a perfect parent of all 3 kids together ...
Vidhi-Pratik and company too r busy playing poppijays for AarYa
But AarYa's priority at present is not really consummate their marriage and satisfy their elders 😆...their main priority is to first become a family of 5 which is only possible when Ansh-Payal-Palak all 3 together will accept both as their mommy and papa without any issues ... And in this case AarYa never got help of anyone
Bua being the smartest realised the main priority of AarYa and so she is hitting the right target by creating divide and rule between the kids which she knows will affect AarYa relationship 😉
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: InduG64


@Kirthi: I am so in tune with your thoughts regarding parenting. You know one of your points reminded me of this:

The most important thing a father can do for his children is love their mother.

Without love and a proper husband-wife relationship they can become good guardians but not good parents...and by saying that I am by no means undermining those couples who are separated/divorced yet manage to bring up their kids well. A child is very sensitive and very observant toward the undercurrent between his/her parents. They blossom in not only the love their parents give but also in feeling safe in the warmth of their parents' mutual love and friendship. Here, both Palak and Ansh sense the incompatibility between their parents, though they may be too young to put a finger to it. That is why the knowledge about "the Kiss" was so important to Ansh and the girls when they queried their parents earlier on. And yeah, the Princi was spot on...he showed the real mirror to Aarti/Yash.


@Indu, Red and Sammy. Thanks for all your thoughts in response to my post. There were points I wanted to address in each of your post but I am going to respond to Indu's and within it is embedded all the things I wanted to respond to.


Indu, thanks a bunch, buddy. Every sentence in your post resonated with me. That sentence in bold is exactly why my brains started whirling after I heard the Principal ask ArYa the very personal question: if they are in love. I realized it is an extremely significant question that was probably delivered to get ArYa thinking. And maybe - just maybe this is Yash's trigger point like Jyo keeps asking. Maybe this is what was needed for his mind to be open to the possibility of a real relationship with Aarti (again right now at a subconscious level).


Like you I am not at all undermining those parents who are separated or divorced. They like any other parent would always want the best for their children and put their children first. But in that case the children are aware that their parents are not together and there are certain things you cannot expect from them like Ansh's demand for kissies. In a relationship like ArYa's the kids expect the same kind of overt expressions of love like they see in other married couples like Pari and Pratik or parents of their friends. Yet they don't see that in their own parents.


Like you said I cannot emphasize how amazingly kids pick up on the undercurrents in a relationship. I think Sammy mentioned that it is important to show the kids a very loving front and I agree. But that being said how do you show a loving front to kids for years and years when you are not in love. Is that even possible? The way kids relate to love is from hugs and kisses and touches and not from eye locks and Yeh dil hai playing in the background. Parenting is a very emotionally as well as physically draining job. There are days when all I want to do is curl up somewhere and go to sleep. My husband as much as looks at me and I give him the glares. But the day dawns and we are secure in our love. And little expressions like a goodbye kiss before we leave for work, the gentle teasing and all are so so important in developing a secure cocoon for the children where they feel loved. ArYa lacks that. So, both Aarti and Yash's condition during their wedding time that they are going to be parents without any personal relationship is being severely challenged and I would even go to the extent of saying that it would hamper the children rather than enable their growth. Maybe that is why Shobha keeps harping about them uniting physically not just emotionally. While I do believe that parents can raise emotionally stable children even if they are separated or divorced the fact in this story is, that Aarti and Yash are not separated nor are they divorced. They are living together in the same house in the same room and sleeping on the same bed. Along with this comes some expectations from the children (forget the society at this point) as far as their parent's relationship is concerned.


This also ties in with parental responsibilities. The Principal reminded Aarti about her promise to a staff member about bringing a change in Palak. While I understand that particular dialogue was just to allow us audience to ''appreciate" Aarti's victory when it arrives, I wondered why the Principal did not include Yash in it? Where is his accountability in bringing about a change in Palak? This has been my biggest grouse with Yash but I shall not go into that because I don't think I can ever stop. I think Red mentioned that before Ansh went to school both Aarti and Yash should have made sure that Ansh read the speech. I one hundred percent agree with Red. And that is how it should be in an ideal world where the parents both are equally involved in the day to day affairs of child rearing. Unfortunately, we do not live in an ideal world. There are so many- so many instances were one parent is busier or his or her focus is diverted to another issue and the other parent has to step in: be it a Dad busy at work and coming home late or a mom busy in the kitchen or a scenario where the roles are reversed. To me THAT is working together ie it doesn't always have to be their physical presence together but knowing that you sometimes have to step up your own parental responsibility to compensate for any lacks from the other parent at any given moment.


And then there are so many instances were you don't necessarily agree with your partner in child rearing issues. Yet it is that love between the partners that provide you with a buffer to give the other partner the freedom to exercise his or her way of doing a certain thing. And when things don't go necessarily like the way we imagined it is only human to find blame. Again in this instance it is the love that helps the couple to get through these moments. And it is love and that sense of responsibility that helps you put away your ego and accept the other partners success and failures. Again this is probably what Shobha meant in her love guru talk about putting aside your ego. In the kidnapping fiasco, it was very human for Aarti to blame Yash for it but what if Yash hadn't taken the bullet, would she have forgiven him especially since there was no love between them. I think- No, she wouldn't have forgiven him. Similarly, in the birthday fiasco, Yash' s outburst was so nasty. If they were in love would Yash have handled the situation completely differently? I think- Yes and if Aarti had his love and support enacting out the exact same tableau in front of Palak would have had an entirely different set of results!


I am not sure I have even articulated what I really wanted to say Indu but I hope you got the message. When a couple is living together and raising children especially when all the children are not their's biologically, there are so many little little things that crop up with parenting and spousal expectations that I am not sure it is really easy to deal with them if the parents are not in love.


And if any of you have got through this post kudos to you. Now I am off to read Sammy's OS. 😃


Edited by angake - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
@Indu : I agree Yash and Aarti hv that hunger to learn from their mistakes and thats a very good sign 👍🏼... They r ready to change their style of parenting for the betterment of their kid's growth and overall development with changing times ... We hv seen Yash accepting the fact that Aarti was always right in encouraging a kid rather than supressing her with so called family rules and Aarti too later accepted the fact that Yash was right in putting Ansh in same school of PayPal ...
So both r ready to accept each other's mistakes and change their ways accordingly .. they r flatering but r ready to rise again and rectify their previous mistakes ...they r learning still but r very eager to rectify the mistakes if a third person like the principle is pointing out their flaws ...
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Posted: 13 years ago
@Kirti : I feel Yash needs a bigger trigger point than this .. because if this is the trigger point , then it will look as if Yash is almost majboor to discover love for Aarti so that kids too can discover love for each other .. the whole process of Yash discovering love for Aarti wont look natural then but more out of external force coming from principle's words of advice ...
I want Yash to discover feelings or love for Aarti naturally and not out of any external pressure 😳.. I guess that trigger point is yet to come and I hv a feeling rain is going to play a cruicial role for that trigger point 😉 since Yash lost his love in rain and so he has to discover love again in same rain for that loop to close ...
I agree about that ego factor , Shobha did mention that when u r in love , u put your ego aside for the larger interest of your loved one .../ In this case if Yash misunderstands Aarti , I dont think Aarti will argue much but will rather put her ego aside and silently prove her innocence 🤔

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