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Posted: 15 years ago
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par excellence post tanya--lubbed it-------yes aman mathur is a thakur sibbling whose mother was wronged by the family and ghanti daadi too likes prats ,this i hve noticed----maybe she lost her voice due to the shock and a second shock may bring her voice back !!!!!!!!!!! yes a v gud point --but am slightely worried now --ssingh keeps asking thakurian if krish was their true son ---wat if there is a catch here too and it so turns out that krish is actually not their real son ?? while aman is??? -------ghosh am worrid for kriya-- slowly but surly the serial is turning into a typical heavy movie drama😲
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: gees

par excellence post tanya--lubbed it-------yes aman mathur is a thakur sibbling whose mother was wronged by the family and ghanti daadi too likes prats ,this i hve noticed----maybe she lost her voice due to the shock and a second shock may bring her voice back !!!!!!!!!!! yes a v gud point --but am slightely worried now --ssingh keeps asking thakurian if krish was their true son ---wat if there is a catch here too and it so turns out that krish is actually not their real son ?? while aman is??? -------ghosh am worrid for kriya-- slowly but surly the serial is turning into a typical heavy movie drama😲



Gees, you sure you are not on the writing team for MKAP?😉😛😆😆😆😆😆😆 If Krishna was not their real son, either Amma is throwing stones at Prats when she herself was no angel. Or they switched babies at the hospital. Aman does smirk a lot l😆ike Amma doesn't he?😛 He is gori, imagine Katra Naresh and Aman Mathur being siblings.😆😆😆😆😆😆 Has there ever been polar opposite siblings in every way?😲

I am very curious about what caused a woman to stop speaking (I don't think she lost her voice), something very big must have shocked the living daylights out of her. Given all the heinous, hellish stuff that happens under that roof, the only times we have seen her smile was when Krishna was getting married, when she sees Prats and Kesar being happy. Can't wait for the day she tells Amma off and gives her the most awaited comeuppance and rightfully so, just for the way she treats her bahus.

Hope SS doesn't burn down his Niwas and go looking for Baba to give him shelter someday. Recently Amma and SS have coming up empty with their plans. Amma gloated Prats would never return to that home (or she is not Krishna ki Amma) and had to do aarati for Prats to welcome her back. So I guess she may not be Krishna ki Amma after all.😲😉

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Tanthya, excellent post as usual.
So glad you concentrated on the Kriya scenes, wish the episode would do so as well.😊
People keep saying that if Krishna really loves her, the question of her 'purity' would not come up at all.....for it would not matter to him if his love is real.The question has nothing to do with love.
Krishna Singh is a product of his upbringing and the society and country he lives in. Backward as it it, the expectation is still very large that a women is pure - especially in the small towns and villages that 'Pratigya' is based on. This is not a western country, where to the majority it doesn't matter how many partners each couple have before they get together. So I'm really perplexed that many of the IF members don't seem to even acknowledge that and keep saying 'but it shouldn't matter'......BUT it does to those people, it is the beginning and the ending.
So krishna to ask that Q is logical, he grew up knowing and expecting his wife to be pure.....falls in love with someone like Pratigya, shown to be all sanskari and educated and yet sweet and honest. Off course his mind is going to connect the dots and fixate on one point - never mind if it's the right one or not - because this is the expectation now shattered and this is what happens in a not so modern place....... It is a big mistake to attribute western qualities and sensibitlites where there isn't any or cannot be. This show is trying to show a realistic cause and effect: for every action there is an equal cause and opposite reaction. So don't think a womens virginity shouldn't matter - it matters very much as this is an honest and griitty realism of life in india.
Though I live in the UK, by watching the show for the past few months, I got to know the characters and l understand why this is important for a man from a small village/town - especially here as he has been made a laughing stock by his own wife and yet he is standing by her....in real life, I doubt many men would. That is the sad reality. So for Krishna to question Prats, well it's nothing but realistic.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dreamygal301

Tanthya, excellent post as usual.

So glad you concentrated on the Kriya scenes, wish the episode would do so as well.😊
People keep saying that if Krishna really loves her, the question of her 'purity' would not come up at all.....for it would not matter to him if his love is real.The question has nothing to do with love.
Krishna Singh is a product of his upbringing and the society and country he lives in. Backward as it it, the expectation is still very large that a women is pure - especially in the small towns and villages that 'Pratigya' is based on. This is not a western country, where to the majority it doesn't matter how many partners each couple have before they get together. So I'm really perplexed that many of the IF members don't seem to even acknowledge that and keep saying 'but it shouldn't matter'......BUT it does to those people, it is the beginning and the ending.
So krishna to ask that Q is logical, he grew up knowing and expecting his wife to be pure.....falls in love with someone like Pratigya, shown to be all sanskari and educated and yet sweet and honest. Off course his mind is going to connect the dots and fixate on one point - never mind if it's the right one or not - because this is the expectation now shattered and this is what happens in a not so modern place....... It is a big mistake to attribute western qualities and sensibitlites where there isn't any or cannot be. This show is trying to show a realistic cause and effect: for every action there is an equal cause and opposite reaction. So don't think a womens virginity shouldn't matter - it matters very much as this is an honest and griitty realism of life in india.
Though I live in the UK, by watching the show for the past few months, I got to know the characters and l understand why this is important for a man from a small village/town - especially here as he has been made a laughing stock by his own wife and yet he is standing by her....in real life, I doubt many men would. That is the sad reality. So for Krishna to question Prats, well it's nothing but realistic.



Agreed Dream !

But this raises a question, Just keeping within the context of the story, He should have believed her today. She in fact told him all the very important things, She told him that she thought that It was Krishna who abducted her but not Angad. Why did'nt he registered that. The only thing he had in his mind is his disbelieve. If you saw what he told her when he pointed the gun on her was different from this question. Its a damaging situation for both now. What could bring them together again with the same intensity of love that he had. How could Pratigya fall for him except having sympathy for him that he is hurt because he perceives her as impure. That is a very hurting situation for both.
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Agreed Dream !

But this raises a question, Just keeping within the context of the story, He should have believed her today. She in fact told him all the very important things, She told him that she thought that It was Krishna who abducted her but not Angad. Why did'nt he registered that. The only thing he had in his mind is his disbelieve. If you saw what he told her when he pointed the gun on her was different from this question. Its a damaging situation for both now. What could bring them together again with the same intensity of love that he had. How could Pratigya fall for him except having sympathy for him that he is hurt because he perceives her as impure. That is a very hurting situation for both.

Sam,
It would have been totally unrealistic for him to believe her right now!....People often process emotions like shock over a period, it short-stops the brain from processing anything else until it wears off from the system. So yeah, I wasn't surprised when he didn't even listen.....he recieved the shock of his life just that morning and you expect him to sit there and say 'oh, ok that's all right then, I believe you!'......Give him a break, if within days or weeks he still doesn't then it's different. I know this is fiction, but yaar, even a realistic timespan must be shown before the brain starts kickstarting again!.........For example, if your wife or husband comes up to you one morning and goes 'oh by the way, I also have a second partner with whom I have 10 children but don't worry I will always be with you'.....so you will turn around and smile and say 'Off course I believe you??'...Smile..........It's not a damaging situation, in fact it will clear the air - they are already talking and they have never talked like this at all. Also, Krishna asked a very good Qs : how could a man like angad kidnap a woman and not touch her?!........See you have to see both sides here now and not just one because at the moment both Krishna and Pratigya are fighting for their future together but in their different way.
He has the right to ask questions for their future, after all she put the 'bomb' in his lap. She now needs to answer the quesstions - as many ways as she can - because she needs to if to take this further. They both have a commen cause and it's pointless thinking oh he doesn't believe her or she is still hiding things.......Because they have united and will remain so. But first Krishna needs to work through his shock, hurt and grief - all common in this case and understandable.Smile
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Originally posted by: Dreamygal301

Sam,
It would have been totally unrealistic for him to believe her right now!....People often process emotions like shock over a period, it short-stops the brain from processing anything else until it wears off from the system. So yeah, I wasn't surprised when he didn't even listen.....he recieved the shock of his life just that morning and you expect him to sit there and say 'oh, ok that's all right then, I believe you!'......Give him a break, if within days or weeks he still doesn't then it's different. I know this is fiction, but yaar, even a realistic timespan must be shown before the brain starts kickstarting again!.........For example, if your wife or husband comes up to you one morning and goes 'oh by the way, I also have a second partner with whom I have 10 children but don't worry I will always be with you'.....so you will turn around and smile and say 'Off course I believe you??'...😊..........It's not a damaging situation, in fact it will clear the air - they are already talking and they have never talked like this at all. Also, Krishna asked a very good Qs : how could a man like angad kidnap a woman and not touch her?!........See you have to see both sides here now and not just one because at the moment both Krishna and Pratigya are fighting for their future together but in their different way.
He has the right to ask questions for their future, after all she put the 'bomb' in his lap. She now needs to answer the quesstions - as many ways as she can - because she needs to if to take this further. They both have a commen cause and it's pointless thinking oh he doesn't believe her or she is still hiding things.......Because they have united and will remain so. But first Krishna needs to work through his shock, hurt and grief - all common in this case and understandable.😊



You have answered partly Dream and I agree, And i also know its a fiction some what trying to bring a little bit of real life situations. In real life and as someone mentioned somewhere clearly that in small towns of India once a women is precived to be impure she is usually deprived the right to regain her respect. Even if Krishna accepts her after some time will he be able to love her that obsessively as he used to. The way this track progressed and this accusation in my view has tainted the couple called Kirya. For him purity is so important and for her its difficult to prove as she at one time thought that she had married her abductor chapter close.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dreamygal301

Tanthya, excellent post as usual.

So glad you concentrated on the Kriya scenes, wish the episode would do so as well.😊
People keep saying that if Krishna really loves her, the question of her 'purity' would not come up at all.....for it would not matter to him if his love is real.The question has nothing to do with love.
Krishna Singh is a product of his upbringing and the society and country he lives in. Backward as it it, the expectation is still very large that a women is pure - especially in the small towns and villages that 'Pratigya' is based on. This is not a western country, where to the majority it doesn't matter how many partners each couple have before they get together. So I'm really perplexed that many of the IF members don't seem to even acknowledge that and keep saying 'but it shouldn't matter'......BUT it does to those people, it is the beginning and the ending.
So krishna to ask that Q is logical, he grew up knowing and expecting his wife to be pure.....falls in love with someone like Pratigya, shown to be all sanskari and educated and yet sweet and honest. Off course his mind is going to connect the dots and fixate on one point - never mind if it's the right one or not - because this is the expectation now shattered and this is what happens in a not so modern place....... It is a big mistake to attribute western qualities and sensibitlites where there isn't any or cannot be. This show is trying to show a realistic cause and effect: for every action there is an equal cause and opposite reaction. So don't think a womens virginity shouldn't matter - it matters very much as this is an honest and griitty realism of life in india.
Though I live in the UK, by watching the show for the past few months, I got to know the characters and l understand why this is important for a man from a small village/town - especially here as he has been made a laughing stock by his own wife and yet he is standing by her....in real life, I doubt many men would. That is the sad reality. So for Krishna to question Prats, well it's nothing but realistic.



Excellent points Dreamgirl.

The characters are not sugar coated as in other serial, so there thinking process is a lot more realistic than in other serials. The longer the kidnapping was hidden, it made the Saxenas guilty that something bad must have happened to hide the fact. The Prof. has done more damage to the relationship then he realises. First, by agreeing to succumb to blackmail, and then hiding the truth of the kidnapping. All this makes it hard for Krishna to believe nothing happened.

It is not Pratigya's fault that she got kidnapped and nor should she need to prove herself to be pure, but its her choice to do so or not.

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Dream, Your point is well made and understood. But Allahabad is hardly a small town. Understand the Thakurs deal with, work with and have the respect of their employees who may have small town ideas. Granted that Krishna needs time to process everything he has learned and at the heart of all his problems is coming to the realization that Pratigya never had any feelings for him. Yes he can question her about her "purity" all he wants but ultimately this is a love story and most viewers are women and we want our hero to say that it doesn't matter I love you.

I am trying very hard not to let my western upbringing influence my enjoyment of the show because at heart I am a small town desi girl. Who didn't agree with Ram for rejecting Sita even though she passed the AGNI test. And I want Krishna to make the right decision here.

Violence against women, stalking, rape, controlling women's sexuality, honor killings, small mindedness and some of the other issues they are showing here are not issues in just India and the subcontinent. They very prevalent in the so called Western society as well.

Let's be real Krishna has done a lot of things a "normal" man bought up the way Krishna was would ever do. So I think it is okay for us to expect him to say it doesn't matter.
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You have answered partly Dream and I agree, And i also know its a fiction some what trying to bring a little bit of real life situations. In real life and as someone mentioned somewhere clearly that in small towns of India once a women is precived to be impure she is usually deprived the right to regain her respect. Even if Krishna accepts her after some time will he be able to love her that obsessively as he used to. The way this track progressed and this accusation in my view has tainted the couple called Kirya. For him purity is so important and for her its difficult to prove as she at one time thought that she had married her abductor chapter close.

I see it the other way. Now Krishna will love her for who she is really. Before his love was an idyllic love, really. Part real and part on how he perceives love should be. I don't agree they have been tainted - are you saying people in love should never question each other?😊...A husband and wife have more rights to Qs each other than anyone else. She has nothing to prove except that she loves him.
I am a great believer in the power of love. Love heals every wound and every hurt. Love has the power to renew and reaffirm life. For me, this is a new beginning for Kriya - an honest start with a clean slate. No more secrets (hopefully!) and no more lies. It will be more of an equal relationship now. 😊
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Excellent points Dreamgirl.

The characters are not sugar coated as in other serial, so there thinking process is a lot more realistic than in other serials. The longer the kidnapping was hidden, it made the Saxenas guilty that something bad must have happened to hide the fact. The Prof. has done more damage to the relationship then he realises. First, by agreeing to succumb to blackmail, and then hiding the truth of the kidnapping. All this makes it hard for Krishna to believe nothing happened.

It is not Pratigya's fault that she got kidnapped and nor should she need to prove herself to be pure, but its her choice to do so or not.

The proff was acting like any girl's father, worried about ruining her reputation. No point in even going there any more.Smile.....Agree their very action implies something dreadful happened to her.
It's no one's fault neither Pratigya nor Krishna - yet both are suffering. Together they need to resolve this and move forward now.

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