In Defence of Krishna : Don't Tame him YET - Page 6

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Ali . I agree but this way he is not gonna understand ANYTHING . To understand a mistake they need to communicate and Pratigya is not even communicating with him so how he will understand ?if they talk as a couple he will understand so many things but she simply doesnt get it . Yeh kya baat hui , full day she frowns and shows her disapproval ...........koun change hoyega aise ? What Krishna did was very wrong , but even in his madness there is love which she needs o sense is my only point . Dont u think she moralizes like a robot without any personal feelings or instincts altoigether ?
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Kool, thats what i am saying. He needs to be made to realise that he has done very wrong. But not in this way. Pratigya is doing nothing much for that. All the time she behaves a bit cold towards him. Thats not the right way. And krishna had a very strong point. PATI HAIN USKE, HAATH UTHA DIYA TO KAUNO GALAT KAR DIYA, AB JO PYAR KARTE HAIN, UHE TO HAATH BHI UTHATE HAIN, GUSSE MEIN HAATH UTH GAYA, GALTI HO GAYI, AB KAUNO BAHAR WALA TO HAATH NAHN UTHA SAKTA NA, BOLBO? It was really sensible point. He was wrong but not that wrong the way she behaves with him. He even apologised to her but she had zero effect.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Actually Ali .........Krishna was tremendously manipulated by Angad too and so he went beserk when he found out at last minute that he is losing her to another man .Angad tampered with his psyche . Abhi Hulk ko gussa aaya toh u know what happens .But he calms down with love .She is fully justified in being angry lekin sabak seekhane ka tareeka thoda badalna chahiye .He needs to know what she likes , dislikes .................he needs to talk to her .
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Ali . I agree but this way he is not gonna understand ANYTHING . To understand a mistake they need to communicate and Pratigya is not even communicating with him so how he will understand ?if they talk as a couple he will understand so many things but she simply doesnt get it . Yeh kya baat hui , full day she frowns and shows her disapproval ...........koun change hoyega aise ? What Krishna did was very wrong , but even in his madness there is love which she needs o sense is my only point . Dont u think she moralizes like a robot without any personal feelings or instincts altoigether ?



Aptly put! The only emotion she freely exhibits is anger towards Krishna and that too bec' on some level she trusts him and she has heard everyone at her sasural tell her how much Krishna loves her. She uses that love to her advantage when she chooses. She knows when he is showing his affection/love for her in little ways like when he said he was happy she called herself his wife and gave her a rose which she refused to accept. She would have accepted flowers from a stranger at the hotel if a bouquet had been presented to her, wouldn't she? So why give him the slight? Also when he brought her rabri what was the harm in taking it when he offered it to her? It's not like he was giving her a ticking time bomb or a bowl of scorpions for her to just stare at it and wait till he left the room before she rushes to open it and then smile. Doesn't she think he so much as deserves a smile, just a smile from her for the many times he stepped in to defend her to the family and from getting smacked by her brother in law? She shows no gratitude to him and yet expects him to be there to defend her at every turn. She was pointing fingers at him saying he forced her to keep up the lie about the fake pregnancy yet she didn't think twice before she blatantly lied to his face in front of everyone that Krishna had never supported her. Everyone in SS household knew it was a lie and she knew it but telling a lie in front of a havan about something outright didn't seem to bother her. She was lying at the same time she was accusing Krishna of forcing her to lie. Hypocritical indeed!
Edited by MERARAI - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Kool:

just saw the video of today's epi. BTW, OMG that was so cute - krishna's frustration, his actions of showing up at her doorstep at an ungodly hour so she cannot throw him out and his drama on the home front. so cute, funny and adorable

She looked very scared of him though. not indifferent. is that just me or do you feel that too?

Also that SS guy is super funny. I mean he looks scary ( you would not want to meet him in an alley somewhere especially when he does that wierd thing rubbing his brows😆😆😆 ) but seriously all his dialogue delivery is funny. usko godhi mein leke aao ya palki mein laike ao. I still haven't seen the earlier epis so have not seen the abusive part. i hope i won't be too horrified.

BTW, I think Krishna does not look conventionally handsome but man is he a firebrand or what, eh? 😉 mujhe jandoo karke sab saala chain ki neend so raha hai😆

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This is truly better therapy than my ramblings


Mog Hope😃😃


Edited by stillhopeful - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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SS is really funny... Especially action he does with his eyebrows🤣
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

Yes this is my request to creatives that please don't tame Krishna yet as the charm of the show will be lost . . The show is named after Pratigya but it is Krishna who is the life of the show .With just Pratigya and her 'good 'family and her social worker agenda the show wud be a FLOP. . There are many who hate Krishna and are totally on Pratigyas side . I totally understand that but i want to point out somethings here about where Pratigya is wrong . . 1] Her inability to understand that Krishna can be anything else other than what he is today inspite of living in that chauvinist house and its ugly atmosphere . She treats him with cold contempt without understanding that the social strata he came from has no good manners , a jungle law of the survival of the fittest , horrific sneering at anyone who does nOT fit their criteria of manliness . Pratigya saying 'PEHLE DHANG SE BAAT KARNA SEEKHO " is ridiculous in the extreme as Krishna has not been to the school and society of manners as she has . He DOESNT KNOW MANNERS , PLAIN AND SIMPLE , ITS A FACT . From where will he know manners , He is living in an atmosphere where GAALIS r given in a daily basis . She expecting good manners from him is not wrong but she has to understand that they wont come to him out of the blue . She has to take it upon herself to teach him a few ...........he is besotted by her and she has the power but she uses it to play hard to get and TADPOFY him as a man ..........not for a positive purpose inspite of moralizing ALL the time of what is Sahi and what is GALAT .

2] Her so called education is of NO USE if she doesn't understand the simple fact what even that uneducated , rustic Komal pointed out to her ..........That Krishna tries to do the right things in the wrong way all the time . His ways r wrong , immature , forceful , but his goals r not bad . Education enables u to have a calm perspective and arrive at the root of the problem , but Pratigya expects Krishna to have good manners , to stand and sit like a gentleman , to be like Nitin perhaps .......well it just wont happen . What efforts has she done from her side to fulfil her own expectations ? Of trying to change Krishna with love , as a woman ? Love has Far greater power than ANGER and sumone needs to tell Pratigya that . Everytime he comes fumbling and bumbling to her feet like a clumsy animal , his love and passion for her not within his control and she kicks him and drives him away . And after doing this she has expectation that he shud treat her like a gentleman . How can he when he is not one . You Make him na .
3] Both Komal and Krishna........the rustic uneducated duo tried to WORK ON THEIR MARRAIGE . The Adarsh Pratigya DUO Did not make a single effort .They married for vengeance . They do not believe in letting bygones be bygones and accepting the present situation and making the most of it or bringing the best out of it . See what Naina's love did to Komal .........she is rapidly changing .It is NOT ADARSH WHO CHANGED KOMAL .....he just ignored her , and secretly pined for Roli and constantly showed her contempt [ just like his sister] ..........telling her u can NEVER be in the same mould as my sisters are , a very cruel and hurtful thing to say to a wife . He was excellent at going around with a perpetual frown on his face when his wife was around . Komal had simple expectations and his love wud have had perhaps an even more faster change than Nainajis love for Komal but Adarsh just didnt give it .
Pratigya meanwhile gave her 100% to her sasural but 0% to Krishna . I still Dont understand how an educated girl like her thought that this situation wud work long term ...........this not sleeping with husband and being excellent bahu outside to maintain a facade . Exactly how long was SHE expecting to pull it off without people noticing and commenting ? Komal had noticed , so had Amma understood later . Instead of telling Krishna that DHANG SE BAAT KARO , Why dont Adarsh and Pratigya question themselves of what use is their education if it doesnt even teach them how to read people correctly and define a marraige ? Education shud enable a person to work on his marraige more than an uneducated person right ? But I dont see it with Pratigya or Adarsh at all . They r committed to not working on their marraige and sticking to vengeance .............great education indeed .
4] Krishna LIED for Pratigya , not for himself or to project himself as a man in front of SS . Personally Krishna cares a damn and can hold his own against his father . Again , it was a WRONG way of protecting Pratigya . He who can tell his dad Ur only My dad...big deal I can take the world on for my wife And can break a vase on his elder bros head does NOT FEAR FOR HIMSELF . He did not want to be his dad and force himself On Pratigya nor did he want the truth that she is NOT SLEEPING wITH HIM to come out in his chauvinistic household as they wud go after Pratigya with a hatchet after that and make her life miserable . He can deal with them . SHE CANT . He wud be out of the house , she wud be INSIDE . Im not defending his lies ........Im merely pointing out that he once more subconsciously tried to protect Pratigya in a WRONG WAY . He resorted to Lying .Well he was wrong , but Had not Pratigya pushed him in a corner by refusing to let him touch her EVER ? She had not asked for some more time .........she had said FOREVER . Wasnt that too much for a man of his psyche to handle ? Yet he did not Touch her . For many days .People put it down to his Ego , but it isnt . He cannot bear to hurt her . Even the rape attempt .......they showed it stopped due to SS but one cry from Pratigya that Ur hurting me and he wud have drawn back ........She is his weakness . Krishna cannot hurt Pratigya , period ............He can hurt the world for Pratigya is the story .So Dont read too much in the rape attempt .
5] Pratigya doesnt seem to excercise her own brain much as a WOMAN . She is always listening to her Dad , Mum , Dadi , or even Aarushi . More like a SANSKAARI ROBOT . There r somethings beyond typified Sanskaars and have to be understood with the heart and instincts of a woman . Komal has those qualities........see how she instinctively sensed Roli as a threat . See how she bluntly told her Dad and Amma That Im not gonna give up mY MARRAIGE for Ur EGO ISSUES . She told her bro Krishna off so that SHE CUD HAVE A MARRAIGE .............Pratigya stood there with a cocky expression on the face , not realising that Komal is protecting her marraige but she is giving a hang whether HER [ Pratigyas] marraige with her bro exists . That Want for a marital life has made Komal perhaps selfish that she has outgrown her Dad and her blood brother even . Pratigya did NOT understand this fact as a woman as she has NO womanly instincts at all . Later This Same Komal came around and told the Professor that Tell Ur Daughter na to realise that Baba loves her like crazy but is only doing things the wrong way .
6] The Professor is Not sending Pratigya back purely for an Ego issue .............it is interesting to note that he is willing to send her back to that same hell hole if SS himself comes to take her . That hell hole is not gonna change .........it is gonna remain exactly like before . Had the professor brought her back for good I wud not say anything but He is ready to send if SS comes .So this is NOT a fight of right vs wrong , purely an ego issue .And What does the PROF expect that after making SS bend and come to take his daughter , this fact will be forgotten by her sasuralwaalahs and she will be treated like a queen once she goes back ? Isnt it aggravating the situation ...this egoistic stand ?It hardly seems a principled stand to me .
Btw .....To date after the slap episode Both The prof and Naina have NOT asked Pratigya why she has not allowed Krishna to touch her as a wife ..............is this ok with their sanskaars ? This ugly fact came out prior to the slap , so how come they r not telling their own child a few things of life ........that staying in a marraige as a way to punish is destructive , either gET OUT OF IT or give it ur hundred percent . Instead they r oiling her hair and pampering her ...........where is DADi now ? When most needed ?
7] There is a scene in this serial when Pratigya clearly tells Roli that she feels nothing from inside ........No STIRRING inspite of Liking Nitin as a prospective groom . Well if the creatives choose to show Pratigya falling in love finally , show her experiencing the stirring inside and out from within . Let us see her scared for having such feelings , of being unable to identify them or analyse them . Let us see her scared for having such feelings for sumone who is absolutely NOT HER TYPE. That wud be very interesting . Let us see it finally dawning on her what Krishna must have felt all along and identifying with them . I want her to love Krishna for what he is FIRST and THEN change him with her love by channelising his emotions in the right direction ....I DONT WANT TO SEE KRISHNA CHANGING FIRST AND THEN PRATIGYA FALLING IN LOVE . That is hardly a love story .
8] Bonding between Krishna and at least one of Pratigya's family members is a MUST . Be it Dadi and Krishna [ That wud be a hilarious touch or Nainaji and Krishna] . This person can be used to show Pratigya a diffrent perspective . Similiarly , Bonding between Pratigya and Krishna's friends is a must ........so she can understand Krishna better .I dont know if this has already been shown ........If so Ive missed it . They cud show her having no attitude and bonding with them for starters .
9] The Saxenas r a 'GOOD 'family but The Singhs are 'REAL" and a family in their own way . They r uneducated , coarse , with their own brand of humor and sarcasm , their own values , their own rules . For instance they answer with a counter question instead of a direct humble answer like the Saxenas but the answer is given in the counter question itself . We see Krishnas mom feeding him litchis in a certain way and he enjoying it . They are direct in their talks and dont sugar coat words . When observed , reality comes across thru the Singhs . The changes that family needs can be shown gradually instead of quick expectations . It wud be fun to see that . For instance Shakti can be shown getting attached to the very kid he wanted aborted due to Pratigya and relations between him and Kesar improving . This show has tremendous potential.
10] Pratigya is a story of The Beauty and The Beast . The beauty changes the beast with her love . It is Now time for Pratigya to come half way and start falling in love ...........CREATIVES PLEASE NOTE OUR REQUEST . Krishnas outburst of SARRY .........his crude apology in front of all [ what a beating his ego took] , the lengths he can go to for her , the way he cried on the phone Come back , Ur feeling very nice na seeing how Im going crazy without u ............are his proofs of crazy love for her which he has done time and again ., in a very crude , wrong way . There has been coldness from Pratigyas part and No understanding of his heart at all .Let her at least begin understanding . Before introducing twists and spoiling a perfectly good story which is great till now , Can we plz see Pratigya learning sumthing from Komal and going against her Dad Moms Wishes and sanskaars for once and going to Krishna ?
My personal wish is to see her slapping Aarushi the next time she insults Krishna ..........this need not be wish of all plzz .😃
If this is a love story , this change in Pratigya is a must . Dont change Krishna YEt totally ........The show will flop . Later perhaps . Right now show Pratigya opening up as a woman and understanding Krishnas passion .
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Very Very well written dear...........I agree with each and every line here....👏
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

He did not say a word to his father till the Saxenas were there and turned on him the moment they left .........even normal people do that and I think it was coz he knew his rattlesnake Dad and how ugly things wud turn once he got in ..........I rather liked him for that .😊 Kind of protecting his sasural and Dad's honor both .

He cares two hoots for either of their honour going by his actions so far. Did he not yell out to his wife outside the Saxena's household even when they called him in? Did he not care about their honour as they live in that neighboorhood and will have to face the people there on a daily basis and here was our hero yelling and making a spectacle of himself. As to what normal people would do, we have seen enough instance to know that Krishna is no normal person. I would have appreciated if he had stood up for his wife, in the presence of everyone including his wife herself, his own family and his in-laws not when half the clan who matter had already left.
Then he went to bring her himself . It was rather sweet . Of course he did it the Wrong way , being the uncultured boor that he is but as Komal said ...his goals were not bad . He went to get his wife. I dont agree about the hurt male ego part as the ONLY reason . That was part of the reason . I saw 3 reasons.......keeping up appearances of a male in front of his father , allowing Pratigya some rest and pampering [ we see this immediately after he telling her to take it easy in housework] ,
This is a very lame reason, if at all it is one. Pratigya has been doing the household work quite efficiently and was not looking harrassed. Anyway is it really worth a lie of this magnitude especially if it is a lie which will come out sooner than later? How long can she escape house work under the pretext of pregnancy especially if she does not deliver any baby at the expected time? Would that not got her more into trouble then?
and hope that she wud let him touch her and this may lead into a real pregnancy ............and although u said that we do not know his subconscious do we , u also cited this last one as one of his reasons for this lie....and nowhere is this fact spoken aloud by him .
No, the fact is not spoken out loud. He in fact acted it out in the second rape attempt. his intention was very clear then.
So u too cited a subconscious reason by ur reading of his character , right ?😊 Don't mind plz ....Im not arguing with u .............All Im saying is U saw one subconscious reason ....I saw 3 . The only diffrence is I find them human , not so terrible.😊
No I did not. I cited a reason based on what I saw.
Opti , remorse is not necessarily shown ith profuse gentlemanly words alone . He is of a diffrent type .........he hasnt even seen men apologising to that species called women .😊 His remorse comes thru his actions ........and I do disagree strongly with u dear about dismissing off his cut hand and SARRY as 'flippant ' . I guess we simply MUST agree to disagree there as in my opinion , saying sORRY publicly to Krishna is indeed a big deal .
What makes you say that? He loves to do things in public. He is not crowd shy.
He did it for HER . Instead of being surprised by that by knowing him only too well by now if she only crosses her arms and simply accepts it and gloats over it only proves that her education has NOT refined or sharpened her instincts or intelligence at all has it ? That action of his shud set her brains working a little .........even Komal has more brains inspite of being uneducated. Btw , if his sarry and hand cutting was not enough .....what was , is the question . There is no answer for that is there ? Nothing wud be good enough as she wants to stay angry is the answer .
Why should she be surprised by that? Afterall he did slap her in front of both their families. So he owed an apology at the least. But the way he said it took away a lot from it. He could have gone in when the Saxena's called him in and said that sorry more contritely to her in the presence of her entire family for it was her family which was present when he slapped her and not all the neighbours of the Saxenas. He does not need to make a spectacle of him in front of total strangers. If anything his public 'sarry' may have raised more eyebrows with people wondering why he was apologising and getting to know what transpired at the T household. Prats was at her parentsw place for less than a day. So people may not have given much importance to her presence. thanks to Krishna's screaming, now every one knows the drama.
So who does he give more importance to, his family or his wife? Her . She will be the one facing them when he is out and he knows how stupidly she takes them on with her progressive ideas ..........she takes the bull by the horns [ SS] and it will not yield any result as he knows them too well .She Doesn't . Her head is full of ideas but he is far more practical.He chooses to deal with them by avoiding confrontation , lying , or not letting them know what he really thinks or feels as he knows it is pointless talking to them .
Krishan and practical? You make me laugh. We have seen many confrontations, yelling and hand holding between father-son. So he is not only using the ahimsa method to tackle them. Let me tell you that if it had not been for Prats and her 'progressive ideas' the T household will not be having a grandchild to look forward to.
If he had actually raped her, he knows he would have surely lost her for good. Lost her for good ? My dear she wud have been too terrorized to even walk out of that house .......that is what abuse does to a woman . Does Pratigya ever use her educated brain and visualise that things cud have been far far worser has Krishna been a replica of SS ? She cud have been daily raped , hit , and NOT ALLOWED TO GO OUT OF THE HOUSE ..............she cud have been put under a kind of house arrest till she broke down completely ! Thats what has happened to Kesar and Krishnas mom ........
Prats and the other two women are not in the same league for the latter are not educated. Prats is not as helpless as you think she is. She can well stand up for herself. If such a fate befalls her, she would have walked out in the first instant. As to not being allowed to go out, she could have found her ways to get out.
The abuse has broken their spirit . And That point of breaking a womans spirit ensures that the woman always remains with the abusive man .......accepting abuse as a part of life .........She remains with him for good . What if Krishna had taken this POV ? This 'lost her for good' is on an emotional level that ur talking about and it is not given credence in SS's world . And if Krishna is giving that emotional fact credence .........it proves he wants her emotionally too , not just by beast force ............He loves her , is not scared of her . Does she understand this ?
Yes, he wants her at all levels. but that can also be plain obession. Love gives not only gets. As long as Krishna is unable to comprehend that he will not get what he wants.
I would say a rape attempt is equally demeaning to a woman, especially when she had said she trusts him. Had I been in her place I would have left him on that day itself.
Left him ? My dear its a gunda family like the mafia. If he decides not to let her leave she can't do a thing about it . Then what wud she do ? Do u seriously believe it is easy to walk out on that family ? Why wud he be scared she wud leave ? What he is scared of is that she will not give him a chance in her emotions ..........it all comes down to he wanting a place in her emotions . And so he chooses NOT to use Abuse or force with her although he has unlimited power at hand to do it . Her complaints of marital rape will be tossed out by the police ..........He can do so much to her yet he doesnt and that shud tell her sumthing. It is not a question of Prats being smarter than the other wives at all ........her smartness has no value in the house and cannot protect her from gundas . If anyone stands between her and THEM [ like he stood in front of Shakti when Shakti wud have really hit her on abortion day] is Krishna . Just see what Amma tells her ...Ab Baba bhi nahi hai tumhe bachaane ko . That means sumthing .
Will get back later on the rest

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Originally posted by: stillhopeful

Kool:

BTW, I think Krishna does not look conventionally handsome but man is he a firebrand or what, eh? 😉 mujhe jandoo karke sab saala chain ki neend so raha hai😆

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Hi I agree with every thing what u said but love the above statement
Yes Arhaan is not the usual gudlooking type but he is a firebrand😉 His dialogue delivery and his expressions are da best
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