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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Sheets

Last line of your post is problematic. How does Shiv KNOW for HIMSELF what was there in hospital records? He only saw a torned page! The rest of the stuff is agreeable about his thought process.

@Tinoo

I am not scientific. Rather I'd be emotional! I'd be in denial even if my parents themselves told me. First reaction is denial. Who readily believes parents aren't his own?

Though I admit when I was little and I'd get angry or my parents would be angry with me then I'd feel if I was their own kid or not. Often if I'd feel parents and family are on one side and I am isolated then also I'd feel that way. Sometimes we compare features also.

Feeling or suspecting is something else. But believing it for sure as a fact is different IMO.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I have to put myself in shiv's shoes.
And quite frankly - this is just me- I simply wouldn't be bothered or affected unless it was a question of me about to die and needing a genetic match for some tissue or bone marrow transplant or some sort of kidney donor required.

If I was presented with a shiv like situation, I would just shrug my shoulders, and go about my business.

I would appreciate that whoever these shekhars were, they had still brought me up with love and were still loving me.

And I would forgive my biological parents, bless them and send them on their way.

I really don't know that I would have ANY interest in finding out about them.

Either they couldnt take care of me the way they wanted to which is why they put me up for adoption OR they didnt want me ... so either way they did me a favour by giving me away!! They released me into a better life than I would otherwise have had.

For me, shiv wanting to know the truth is really odd. (My point of view and personal bent).

I would also find it quite insulting to my adoptive parents who have been very good to me to go looking for my biological parents - I mean come on !! seriously??

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Skepblun

@Sheets

Last line of your post is problematic. How does Shiv KNOW for HIMSELF what was there in hospital records? He only saw a torned page! The rest of the stuff is agreeable about his thought process.

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But that is the concept of trust skepblun.

He knows for himself because anandi, whom he trusts, told him.

When we trust someone, we dont need proof. we accept what our trusted people tell us.

anandi told him the torn page had still born female child written on it.

Three weeks ago, my dad called to tell me that my blood test had xyz results and the doctor recommended some kind of treatment. I have still not seen the results myself to verify if it is true or not. I dont need to. I trust my dad. He gave me medicines and injections I need to take and gave me the timings to take them. I started the treatment course just because he told me to. I still haven't scrutinized the report or verified anything he told me to see if it was true FOR MYSELF.

Where there is trust, there is no suspicion. Not even a hint. It is just blind faith.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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If family told Shiv that he is adopted, I think Shiv would not have become this curious. In this case, he doesn't know anything, except there is a mismatch in his birth records and there is an attempt to cover up. So he is determined to find the truth.

Suppose if the page was not missing, what would have happened? I think, Shiv would have asked Ira and Alok directly. But now the whole thing looks a mystery to him. So he is on a truth finding mission. When he threatened Sarla of jail, I thought, maybe deep down in his heart he thinks Sarla played a dark role and did something at Shekhar's back !!! Or maybe he is suspecting foul play somewhere.


Why he did he readily believe that he is adopted?? Because thats the truth. And some people have a higher gut feeling to perceive truth. There is no logic. No science. It is just in the mind. Regarding matters of birth and death, I personally feel that usually the intuition levels are high.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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@Tinoo

I feel believing a blood test report and believing that you're not your parents' own kid are not comparable. Over some matters you can easily believe and follow a trusted person. But was issue of parentage so casual and easy to conclude?

Now Brick-red has talked about intuition. I don't think it is intuition. Intuition comes naturally. Shiv's behaviour is induced (by Anandi). What has he seen or observed that contributed to his intuition? He didn't see or sense Alok in hospital, he has never experienced any discrimination from Shekhars, he did not see or hear what Anandi did, he didn't see expressions or reactions of CM then how suddenly he had an intuition? Due to Anandi and a torned page?

I consider it hard to believe. BV CVs failed here IMO.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Skepblun

@Tinoo

Now Brick-red has talked about intuition. I don't think it is intuition. Intuition comes naturally. Shiv's behaviour is induced (by Anandi). What has he seen or observed that contributed to his intuition? He didn't see or sense Alok in hospital, he has never experienced any discrimination from Shekhars, he did not see or hear what Anandi did, he didn't see expressions or reactions of CM then how suddenly he had an intuition? Due to Anandi and a torned page?

I consider it hard to believe. BV CVs failed here IMO.



Sometimes, even if intuition is there, it may be like a jigsaw puzzle, you have all the pieces and yet only after certain things are placed together in a certain pattern, do you really consciously become aware of the big design. ...and perhaps then it comes to the surface what your subconscious is telling you internally.

I personally dont see any intuition in this case prior to anandi's revelation - and we can only go by shiv's internal monologue -- and he has never shown any doubt --- but maybe his gut feeling used to tell him that he and saanchi cannot possibly be related for example 🤣🤣🤣 -- and he might have known that on an intuitive level... and maybe even thought saanchi was the adopted one 😆 ... so when anandi told him he was adopted it wasnt a big surprise 😆😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Skepblun

@Tinoo

I feel believing a blood test report and believing that you're not your parents' own kid are not comparable. Over some matters you can easily believe and follow a trusted person. But was issue of parentage so casual and easy to conclude?
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I think the issue is not the bigness or smallness of the issue -- but the level of trust you have in the person revealing the information/truth to you.

Trust is trust for all matters. To me the blood report and the fact that I am not my own parents kid is comparable if I get it from a trustworthy person.

With my father, I am taking whatever he outlined. But if my office colleague tells me about my blood report and asks me to take a certain set of medicines, I will certainly not do it without verifying.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: tinoo

I have to put myself in shiv's shoes.

And quite frankly - this is just me- I simply wouldn't be bothered or affected unless it was a question of me about to die and needing a genetic match for some tissue or bone marrow transplant or some sort of kidney donor required.

If I was presented with a shiv like situation, I would just shrug my shoulders, and go about my business.

I would appreciate that whoever these shekhars were, they had still brought me up with love and were still loving me.

And I would forgive my biological parents, bless them and send them on their way.

I really don't know that I would have ANY interest in finding out about them.

Either they couldnt take care of me the way they wanted to which is why they put me up for adoption OR they didnt want me ... so either way they did me a favour by giving me away!! They released me into a better life than I would otherwise have had.

For me, shiv wanting to know the truth is really odd. (My point of view and personal bent).

I would also find it quite insulting to my adoptive parents who have been very good to me to go looking for my biological parents - I mean come on !! seriously??


agree... i believe if i adopt & my child wants to go looking for his parents i would feel bad about it...trying to find out the cause of adoption & why your parents gave you away is different.
even i wouldnt be bothered tht my parents are not related to blood. though i would like to find out why my biological paents gave me away. but i would never want to bond with them

im not against shiv believing anandi. but he needs to ask his parents first n talk to them instad of feeling bad n wanting to know whom he belongs to. he obviously belongs to the shekars after spending 30 yrs of his life with them
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Posted: 12 years ago
#79
Let me tell you one thing. The first, very first thing comes to your mind when you come to know that you are not your parents child, your first question will be, "Who am I?" Its sad, but you feel like your whole existence is doubtful. It has nothing to do with me being unreasonable, coz I am sad, angry, hurt and feel betrayed. So, we really can't judge Shiv now. It is very natural. Don't ask me why BUT I do know that feeling.

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