this pregnancy track is to confuse viewers.. - Page 3

The first time a TC article came true, and i want to kill them for it!😆

Originally posted by: noor2009

I was quite optimistic when I made my last post yesterday about drink+faint+ spoiler= Jodha Akber future but to be honest after reading the WU of the actual promo...am really starting to doubt---cvs brain and ekta aunty's logic...by the way who did the twins belong to? do u know- as somebody mentioned that they were's jodha's.

plz spare😕...me...
i had verbal duels with a few ppl...on this..

but since u asked about those twins..questions..
i m still of opinion they were not jodha's...
no..

they were sons of aram baksh...

Hasan Mirza.
born on 19th October 1564...(son of Bibi Aram Bakhsh).
He died on 5th November 1564.

Husain Mirza.
born on 19th October 1564...(son of Bibi Aram Bakhsh). (twin with his brother)
He died on 29th October 1564.
😊

though u will find stories on internet that they were, marium zamani's sons and after that they went to ajmer sharif to pray to ask for heir..and bla bla bla...
i could not believe it..

since i found 2 contradictory sources.saying they were aram baksh's son..
but still i doubt.it..


Hi friends..
Continuing with the truth exposing series of JA.


Before starting, the links for previous threads:
They deal with historical authenticity of JA.

Part1:Mariam Zamani - Some unknown facts
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3782915/mariam-uz-zamani-pt1-updt-muz-p39-padshah-begum-p40-salim-and-muz-p46

Part2: Akbar Ruqayya, Ruqayya Miscarriage Incident, Akbar-Amer relations, etc.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3809107/akbar-ruqs-false-monogamy-pt2ja-not-fiction-upd-p10-16-18-ruqs34-35-36

Part3: GLORY OF FAITH : Akbar with Mariam Zamani Begum - Their Famous Painting
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3826749/glory-of-faith-akbar-n-muz-pt3-ja-not-fiction-akbar-seals-p25-note-p26

Part4: Mughal Dresses + Holi festival + Mirza Hakim + Shivani Track info + Akbar-MUZ Convo(Pg-31). + Benazir track - Part-1
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/3848936/mughals-ja-real-is-not-fiction-pt4-author-tms-note-on-pg1-and-91




Now, in this post, giving info on following events:

1. Benazir Track
2. Maham, Adham and Atga's demise. How this happens ACTUALLY..?..? (A bouncer for me.)
3. Why and how Mirza Hakim falls out with Akbar.? (a question which everyone wants an answer for)


Hi friends,

Sorry for this late update. I was busy trying to get more information on the Benazir track. But, could not get much, so posting whatever i have, TILL NOW. Actually, that book is not readable. It's badly tattered. The person, who translated that Persian source, could tell me few lines in between,😕 from this book. I am writing, what he told, in sequencial order.(guess the rest yourself. No option)


Till now, you know Vishkanya Track was historically true. Read part-1 for details. Link given below.



Benazir Track - Part2 - Hakim's Mom is involved here😲.


Link for Benazir track Part-1: ( READ THIS FIRST, then proceed..!.. )
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/99995240

Had hinted that Hakim's mom "MAY" enter into picture.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/100051553



Continue further after reading above links:

Sending Vishkanya was a joint conspiracy of Mahchuchak Begum(Hakim's mother) and Abul Maali(Akbar's brother in law).
Yes, the vishkanya was sent by Abul Maali, in reality also, from Kabul, planned with Hakim's mom.

That book further maintained, Akbar was moved after this event. (could not read entire episode. Reason--book was not readable..!.. Still, i feel why was he moved after this incident..?..😕)

Inference:
I feel this clears the confusion of timeline of the events. Since, this conspiracy was hatched along with Mahchuchak Begum, and she died in April 1564, obviously this means, that the incident, MATCHES with timeline of the show.



This MAY BE, another future track---->>.

Further, the "next" episode was -->> "Another incident, which involved Akbar and MUZ was, when Akbar was attacked in Agra'a Palace only, by a person who acted to be a soldier. And, during some 'jashn' attacked Akbar, but missed. And, ate poison and died. So, the person was not identified, but he was suspected to be a Rajput who opposed Akbar's marriage with MUZ. Bhagwandas assured Akbar, Rajputs won't attack from back, and so if it's proved that it was any Rajput behind this,then he will fight against them. Akbar believed him, but investigated further. End-result was missing from that source. Let's see, if this comes on show.

Another attack on Akbar in Agra Fort is mentioned. 😕.🥱, could not read it.


Note in reality also, Hakim's mother plotted against Akbar. See her ENTIRE conspiracy and Hakim's history here.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/98657498

About Maham's Death Signal on Show ::


The signal given in the show was, when Akbar told Atga that Adham will be sent for second expedition to Malwa, to handle Baz Bahadur.

Now, what that source says:-->>

Adham Khan, an impetuous young man, was sent to Malwa, second time. But, he tried to assume or assumed independent airs. Soon, he was recalled and in place of him Abdullah Khan was sent to Malwa. Adham, on coming back to Agra, realized now he has lost the power. And, he thought, that, all this is due to Atga Khan. 😕

{
Info: --> Akbar had made Atga Khan his Prime Minister/Wakil, and this irritated Munim Khan. Also, some sources say he was made acting wazir. This again irritated MA, Munim and Adham. So, guys, the jealousy was already present. Further, matters complicated, when Atga raised some questions on financial irregularities.
}

So, now , after being removed from command, he claimed that position of wazir (his mother's position), and stabbed acting wazir, Atga Khan.
Now, Adham kills Atga Khan. Akbar orders Adham to be thrown down from a parapet of fort twice, on his head. And, you know after his death Maham also dies in grief. Read this old comment. BTW, Maham was already sick when Adham died. (sorry end for her.)





Further, Munim Khan and Shihabuddin escaped from Agra Fort (in reality also people escaped😆), after Atga's death. So, Maham's death was the end of the famous Petticoat Goverment of Akbar. (kitchen cabinet in modern terms.)

Till here was history.


Now, coming to show, future events:

1. Mirza Hakim "may" not be innocent either.
2. Another "aanstein ka saanp" ---> Munim Khan.(there are more to come. Keep counting.!..). You already know---> Adham, MA, Sharifuddin, Abul Maali, Mahchuhcak Begum, Mirza Hakim..!.😕
3. MA and Adham, end has begun.
4. Atga Khan is going to rise soon.
5. Side by side, Shivani track will be sorted out.

Hope this will help the forum members to deduce future tracks in a better manner. 😊



Akbar-muz influence food habits..
lectures - chittor, abun qani.
massacre at 1564.

regarding ruqu..
jodha mandir mahal...😆

btw, plz don't bomb my inbox asking REAL Akbar status consiousness.

Princess of Amer.


P.S. -> A note from me and KDR81. It is for those, who ask questions here and then again go somewhere else, giving wrong comments, on historical characters. Please don't develop such prejudice.

Actually I will believe you more than anyone else as I have read your posts about Mughals history and I believe you have more info then anyone of us have. :)

Originally posted by: myviewprem

Winners write history and chronicles and indian historians and some european historians have always projected akbar in a favourable manner and not discussed his faults and errors from a practical view. But there are many other authorities in world who have analyzed it practically and i have read their papers(but cannot upload here because its access restricted).

And otherwise also after reading many history books any practical individual can conclude that marriage for akbar was a political too to gain acceptance among indian princely states and citizens and to expand empire. Was it right or wrong? For the girls family and akbar it was a win win situation but for the girls whether jodha or anyone it was not a winning proposition. Their family got all benefits and the girls were locked away in harem rarely free to go out and enjoy. And i can only imagine if a man has 300 wives and 1000s of cocubines the situation of every women in harem.

Jodha had place in akbar's life after she gave birth to salim his heir. If not some other woman who gave birth to his son would have got all attention she got period. Why jodha had a palace before salim is because she was the first hindu wife so he may have built a place for her to carry on her customs and religion uninterrupted. If she was so liked why neither akbar nor jehangir mention her in their biography by name. They just mention her father's back ground. Why no women gets detailed mention in akbarnama when akbar only sanctioned its writing? And jehangir mentions his siblings in details why miss out the details of his mothers. Jehangir himself mentions that his father most favourite wife was Ruqaiah why would he not have mentioned his mom was most favourite if that had been the case it would be matter of happiness for a son.

Other chronicles do mention in bits and pieces about the women but not Mughal autobiographies that itself will make any layman conclude the position women had in the harem and the mughal's life. That was not the case of babar's autobiography or humayun's biography written by gulbadan.

Every human can have different viewpoints about a topic. I appreciate akbar trying to unite india subcontinent under one empire but i am not blid to his errors and follies neither do i take any chronicle mughal or otherwise with pich of salt. The fact was the matter was in middle path.

Jodha-Akbar love story is actually fictional, otherwise other mughal love stories have become floklore like nur jahan-jehangir, mumtaz-shah jahan why was akbar-jodha never around for 500 years. We had never heard of this mentioned in any comic book, history book or folk lore etc. This was just imagined and created by movie makers and now extended by serial makers because indians are fascinated by historical love stories. If someone makes a serial akbar no one will be interested to watch those wars, politics etc so they added jodha and told its a love story.

Regarding my ideas being communally motivated, i beg to differ. I go through all points and then come to conclusion. I am not saying akbar was completely bad he was good but later on in life but in terms of women and marriages etc i do not think he was right neither do i think he really loved anyone. Yes ruqwaiah was his childhood friend he may be extra close to her that also again is not true love. He wanted a heir and wanted to use his emperor position to get women he liked. Otherwise Akbar married 12 rajput princess in his 50s on same day when Salim was already father of Khusrau and Parvez and his son Daniyal and Murad had kids too. True love makes you respect your wife and not give that place to anyone else in life. Jehangir did not marry after Nur jahan she was his true love all other marriages were political and usually fixed by his parents, Shah Jahan did not marry after Mumtaz and only married after she died, Khusrau rejected the proposal of ladli banu from nur jahan and forgo the chance to become next emperor of india, shah jahan rejected ladli begum proposal and to made nur jahan his enemy and hunted across mughal empire children in tow, dara sikoh married a street dance girl ranadil despite opposition from family all can be called true love. In true love you sacrifice for your lover your pleasure, your happiness, your chance to be emperor etc that is true love according to me.

Neither i am interested in spreading false rumors or communal motivated agendas. Everyone can make their own conclusions after reading as many books. Just putting across a different view which has been also available in many books and sites. I have no personal agenda agianst akbar or for akbar or jodha or for any historical character or any viewer too. My sympathies are with Jodha and many other women in the harem. But these are my viewpoints that i have read some books and sites and concluded. I wrote comments on this post from a practical viewpoint that is it. You can accept or reject my viewpoint it does not bother me. I have a mind of my own and i stick to my viewpoints after my own analysis and it is neither communally motivated because i do not belong to both mughals or rajpuths. This is my idependent analysis after reading few books and articles and links too.

My views in blue..

First, you have written such a LONG reply to me, but alas devoid of content. It's a long para mainly full of ARGUMENTS, without any base.🥱.

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Winners write history and chronicles and indian historians and some european historians have always projected akbar in a favourable manner and not discussed his faults and errors from a practical view.

Before i start, kindly don't repeat this AGAIN.🥱 You gave me the same comment last time also that history is written by victors, when we met on same issue.🥱 And, European historians, 😆they are the ones who have wrecked havoc here..!!..BTW, Who says historians / distortionists / chroniclers have not discussed Akbar's faults ?😲 They have recorded and very well preserved also..Probably you don't know this.😛 If you are interested in reading his atrocities let me give some documents.😕But, sorry, for they are not available online in original form and also they are not available in the book shops who "claim" to sell history..?.Anyways, take these chronicles, (these are NOT called books).😉.

1. Gulzar-i-Abrar
2. Nafais-ul-Maasir
3. Munsaat-e-Namkeen
4. Sharaif-i-Usmani

Just read above sources and satiate, for these books give the fodder which those communal websites demand against Akbar ..!!...🥱.😕.

Just for info, winners ONLY do not write history. Compare those contemporary works of Akbar's period with those which were written in Mughal court and those which were written outside the Mughal court...But, for this bharatrakshak forum will not help..😉..



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But there are many other authorities in world who have analyzed it practically and i have read their papers(but cannot upload here because its access restricted).

Which papers are you talking about dear..?.. The ones by British authorities? I have read the papers from American Oriental Society, British Journals, and Royal Asiatic Society of Bengal, and more also.. Which one are you talking about.??...



And, what is meaning of access restricted..??
Just POST HERE the following--😃









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And otherwise also after reading many history books any practical individual can conclude that marriage for akbar was a political tool to gain acceptance among indian princely states and citizens and to expand empire. Was it right or wrong? For the girls family and akbar it was a win win situation but for the girls whether jodha or anyone it was not a winning proposition.
Neither i am interested in spreading false rumors or communal motivated agendas. Everyone can make their own conclusions after reading as many books. Just putting across a different view which has been also available in many books and sites. I have no personal agenda agianst akbar or for akbar or jodha or for any historical character or any viewer too. My sympathies are with Jodha and many other women in the harem. But these are my viewpoints that i have read some books and sites and concluded. I wrote comments on this post from a practical viewpoint that is it. You can accept or reject my viewpoint it does not bother me. I have a mind of my own and i stick to my viewpoints after my own analysis and it is neither communally motivated because i do not belong to both mughals or rajpuths. This is my idependent analysis after reading few books and articles and links too.