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Posted: 11 years ago

Hgg bhai, I have read the article long time ago and yeah it seems as per the article that the novel wasn't about a love story but I think that's the first point of difference between this show being an adaptation'. I think character names and settings and the mere sypnosis of the novel is used..not much else.

But this was made clear by SLB himself..again referring to his tag line that he started the show with..'mukammal mohabbat ki daastan'. This in itself says that it's a show about a love story. I don't think the novel, if followed exactly word for word would work as a tv show and for viewers.

In today's times, people do a lot for the society..samaaj sewa and all. Yes, its never going to be enough as there is sooo much that needs improving with the system and the environment we live in but brutal truth is that no one wants to see that in a fictional based show. There are shows like Satyamev jayate' that focus on all this.

Perhaps the novel didn't end up with a happy ending also because the love story was never the centre point of it..like the person has said in that article.

But I think we need to let go of any comparison to the novel apart from names etc. Yes, some of us set out to watch this show with the expectations of the novel but to be honest, majority didn't. Majority from day one were looking for a love story...a love story that will face trial and tribulations but will end up with them being united and happy together.

SP are doing their bit towards trying to change people's mindset towards women and society rules' but this does not mean every show has to be about this only. Even then SC has shown a lot of things which defy the society.

Firstly with Kumud's constant disagreements about how people take advantage of things in the name of religion. Back in the days, a show would not have shown a married woman denying to keep the vrath of teej'. Today we have two varieties of contrast being shown where both explain that we make the society, the society does not make us.

First was that Kumud refused to keep the vrath as her marriage was pretty much non existent and why keep it for a man like Pramad.

Second was in DABH...Sandhya forgot to keep the vrath! Lol! Now perhaps in a different generation, Tv channels wouldn't even dare to show such things in fear of how the audiences would react but now its acceptable.

End of the day..now if we are shown how a woman puts up with all the torture and then leads a life of self sacrifice only to keep the society happy...the audiences will not accept this.

End of the day..these serials are made for the masses..so majority of people who watch it are the modern society and international viewers who will not accept that the backward ways of society being shown.

Uneducated women, domestic abuse on women...all this will not be tolerated by viewers and SP have actually tackled a lot of these issues pretty well and always are giving a good social message to change the mindset of those who are still backwards.

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Posted: 11 years ago
Hmmm...

Friends..

I went through all the last posts and felt somewhere that there is a perception that I want the end to be the same as the novel...which is actually not true... I want this to end happily for everyone - characters and us.

I had stepped in earlier because I noticed a rising clamor against the original writer of the novel and attribution of ignorance, regressive, 'spoiler' of a love story, propogater rather than an opposer of regressive social customs & traditions etc.

Which is a very very surreal experience...

Being a Gujju and knowing from elders and through the overall cultural assimilation that happens over the years on:
- how highly the writer is regarded
- how his work actually smashed cultural stereotypes and paved the road of encouragement for similar thinking to emerge from other communities...which eventually led the the Renaissance in Indian writing, thinking & society itself.
- how he and the other writers who followed in his path shaped the thinking of an entire generation of Indians at a time when India was modernising.

I wanted to put his work in perspective and call-out the fact that his intention was not to write a love story but an idea. The closest analogy I can think of Atlas Shrugged or Fountainhead - where the story and characters are not central but the ideas they espouse are.

And none of us know enough of the original work to make generalized negative attribution to the writer. Or whether he supported regressive practices.

That's all.

So I am not even remotely looking wistfully at the novel or making comparisions or wishing that the end be the same.

I am taking the current show as a stand-alone show...a love story (hopefully it will remain one)...and just making an one-off comparision with the novel for reference.

😛

p.s.
Though my very low opinion of SP still stands.
😉


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: hotdogg

Hmmm...

Friends..

I went through all the last posts and felt somewhere that there is a perception that I want the end to be the same as the novel...which is actually not true... I want this to end happily for everyone - characters and us.

I had stepped in earlier because I noticed a rising clamor against the original writer of the novel and attribution of ignorance, regressive, 'spoiler' of a love story, propogater rather than an opposer of regressive social customs & traditions etc.

Which is a very very surreal experience...

Being a Gujju and knowing from elders and through the overall cultural assimilation that happens over the years on:
- how highly the writer is regarded
- how his work actually smashed cultural stereotypes and paved the road of encouragement for similar thinking to emerge from other communities...which eventually led the the Renaissance in Indian writing, thinking & society itself.
- how he and the other writers who followed in his path shaped the thinking of an entire generation of Indians at a time when India was modernising.

I wanted to put his work in perspective and call-out the fact that his intention was not to write a love story but an idea. The closest analogy I can think of Atlas Shrugged or Fountainhead - where the story and characters are not central but the ideas they espouse are.

And none of us know enough of the original work to make generalized negative attribution to the writer. Or whether he supported regressive practices.

That's all.

So I am not even remotely looking wistfully at the novel or making comparisions or wishing that the end be the same.

I am taking the current show as a stand-alone show...a love story (hopefully it will remain one)...and just making an one-off comparision with the novel for reference.

😛

p.s.
Though my very low opinion of SP still stands.
😉



Hgg I agree with you.

I think to anyway cast doubts on GMT's contribution to literature or to judge the merit of this work based on the show is not correct, because while this show as the story of a Saras and a Kumud is good, but as an interpretation of a great literary classic, it fails miserably.

The magnificence of this work of literature, it's impact and it's depth is something we all are not aware of.

We are severely limited in even comprehending this novel let alone evaluate it.

Let's limit our discussions to the show. And make no comments on the author or the work, because frankly we know nothing about both, and any observations we make will be made in ignorance.
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Posted: 11 years ago
Sorry hogg,
its sacrilege n then 'the first thing we do ,lets kill all the lawyers'
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: hotdogg

Hmmm...

Friends..

I went through all the last posts and felt somewhere that there is a perception that I want the end to be the same as the novel...which is actually not true... I want this to end happily for everyone - characters and us.

I had stepped in earlier because I noticed a rising clamor against the original writer of the novel and attribution of ignorance, regressive, 'spoiler' of a love story, propogater rather than an opposer of regressive social customs & traditions etc.

Which is a very very surreal experience...

Being a Gujju and knowing from elders and through the overall cultural assimilation that happens over the years on:
- how highly the writer is regarded
- how his work actually smashed cultural stereotypes and paved the road of encouragement for similar thinking to emerge from other communities...which eventually led the the Renaissance in Indian writing, thinking & society itself.
- how he and the other writers who followed in his path shaped the thinking of an entire generation of Indians at a time when India was modernising.

I wanted to put his work in perspective and call-out the fact that his intention was not to write a love story but an idea. The closest analogy I can think of Atlas Shrugged or Fountainhead - where the story and characters are not central but the ideas they espouse are.

And none of us know enough of the original work to make generalized negative attribution to the writer. Or whether he supported regressive practices.

That's all.

So I am not even remotely looking wistfully at the novel or making comparisions or wishing that the end be the same.

I am taking the current show as a stand-alone show...a love story (hopefully it will remain one)...and just making an one-off comparision with the novel for reference.

😛

p.s.
Though my very low opinion of SP still stands.
😉




Totally agree. Sri GRT's thought process or the intent cannot be questioned. Its a very highly regarded work. And he is one of the foremost writers in Gujarati.

Thus show is a standalone or a version 2.0 like u said.


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