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Posted: 11 years ago
#81

Originally posted by: KK84

Yeah but it's all that emotional blackmail I am worried abt. Samaaj ki baatein n all but so far it seems Kumud anyway doesn't care what samaaj thinks and she has made that clear! So if cvs bring such reasons then that will be a massive faux par frm
Their side.

They have revived Kumud's character and saved it with grace. I hope they don't butcher it again.



that sword will always be their hanging and can be used to shock us ,but as arshi i too am quit sure kusum and saras will never haapen actually but will always be used as baton to sail SC boat when they feel they r going to slow or samud romance is giving diabetes to viewers ...just the way they used pramad in past ...but at the end its always samud that comes out as winner ...and this is what the whole essence of SC is
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Posted: 11 years ago
#82

Originally posted by: hotdogg



It all depends on how Pramad meets his end...and if the show is indeed getting over by Dec.

1) Saras is aligning more and more with VC family in business...
VC business success is now directly related to them not being on the streets...
...Ergo in his bucket of responsibility towards Kumud + from the perspective of coming home to his 'real' family... staying with VC & family has now become a mandatory condition...it is now an extension of his responsibility towards Kumud...which in itself is derived from his deep love for Kumud.

2) There is Umesh factor still like a wild card...he has been brought in after a gap of so long...
What is he doing here again?

3) I am desperately wishing they show some movement forward to a mushy type of love...that will at least become a marker for Saras - Kumud together in the end...

Because, Kusum has been deliberately kept as a character whose locus standi is confusing...
She also respects Saras ...maybe to the same extent as Kumud...
She also loves Kumud...closer to her than Kumari
She has filled in for kumud in her absence in VC family business

Else, as Shanthi as also observed...its going more towards a respect-wala love...under which mushy love will take a backseat...

4) If Pramad dies and Kumud has not got a divorce (most likely) and Saras gets blamed for a murder courtesy Umesh / Kalika...I expect Kumud to take the blame...in a way it will be her turn to sacrifice after all the sacrifices done by Saras...

She may direct Saras to stay-on...and Saras will obey ...

And all this Nayi Soch is hocus - pocus and merely a marketing tagline by SP...which of its serials shows Nayi Soch? When it had a chance with the old SC, it blew it away...

So fingers crosseed for next week for more clarity!




Hogg Bhai I slightly disagree here re Nayi soch...SP has changed leap n bounds from kyunki saas days. Now the focus is on how women will not put up with crap! It's not fully accepted by trp aunties but they have challenged it in many of their shows...some elements are always typical but some aren't.

N I am pretty sure SP are very much conscious of this. Not following the show the novel way may be one of these reasons...end of day we all know SLB loves tragic stories but I think mudda there wasn't abt the story but more so the financial n professionalism of the production house.

I don't think it will be anything like taking on the blame for Pramad's death cos if anyone is to kill him it's probs his own mum!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#83

Originally posted by: hotdogg



It all depends on how Pramad meets his end...and if the show is indeed getting over by Dec.

1) Saras is aligning more and more with VC family in business...
VC business success is now directly related to them not being on the streets...
...Ergo in his bucket of responsibility towards Kumud + from the perspective of coming home to his 'real' family... staying with VC & family has now become a mandatory condition...it is now an extension of his responsibility towards Kumud...which in itself is derived from his deep love for Kumud.

2) There is Umesh factor still like a wild card...he has been brought in after a gap of so long...
What is he doing here again?

3) I am desperately wishing they show some movement forward to a mushy type of love...that will at least become a marker for Saras - Kumud together in the end...

Because, Kusum has been deliberately kept as a character whose locus standi is confusing...
She also respects Saras ...maybe to the same extent as Kumud...
She also loves Kumud...closer to her than Kumari
She has filled in for kumud in her absence in VC family business

Else, as Shanthi as also observed...its going more towards a respect-wala love...under which mushy love will take a backseat...

4) If Pramad dies and Kumud has not got a divorce (most likely) and Saras gets blamed for a murder courtesy Umesh / Kalika...I expect Kumud to take the blame...in a way it will be her turn to sacrifice after all the sacrifices done by Saras...

She may direct Saras to stay-on...and Saras will obey ...

And all this Nayi Soch is hocus - pocus and merely a marketing tagline by SP...which of its serials shows Nayi Soch? When it had a chance with the old SC, it blew it away...

So fingers crosseed for next week for more clarity!




Hgg Ji,

I know it's a capital mistake to theorize when you don't have enough data points but anyway, I am expanding upon yours:

I don't think the two would commit any crime along the scale of taking someone's life. If they did, the first thing either would do is surrender to the police. That doesn't seem like a good way to keep them in proximity; if there's no proximity, how will the story sustain in terms of keeping the viewers glued? On that account, framing S by Umesh/Kalika for a crime he didn't commit would happen if and only if the show wraps up in November.

Secondly, P is sure to get ousted off the face of the earth. But here comes the warp in the explosive tale: somebody beloved to the two also gets killed in the process by virtue of a grave mistake committed by S or K; most likely S. Guilt-ridden, they both go separate ways and meet again at Sundarnagri caves. Like you'd said the other day, these Samud scenes are a harbinger to what looms ahead; the calm before storm,

PS: Don't spank me guys, this is what happens when you pull off 2 all-nighters in a rowđŸ„± Ah, I'm such a killjoy😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
#84

Originally posted by: tryforceful



Hgg Ji,

I know it's a capital mistake to theorize when you don't have enough data points but anyway, I am expanding upon yours:

I don't think the two would commit any crime along the scale of taking someone's life. If they did, the first thing either would do is surrender to the police. That doesn't seem like a good way to keep them in proximity; if there's no proximity, how will the story sustain in terms of keeping the viewers glued? On that account, framing S by Umesh/Kalika for a crime he didn't commit would happen if and only if the show wraps up in November.

Secondly, P is sure to get ousted off the face of the earth. But here comes the warp in the explosive tale: somebody beloved to the two also gets killed in the process by virtue of a grave mistake committed by S or K; most likely S. Guilt-ridden, they both go separate ways and meet again at Sundarnagri caves. Like you'd said the other day, these Samud scenes are a harbinger to what looms ahead; the calm before storm,

PS: Don't spank me guys, this is what happens when you pull off 2 all-nighters in a rowđŸ„±Ah, I'm such a killjoy😆



Aise mat kaho yaar! Them getting seperated again n all is just the story going round and round in circles. May work in the novel where Pramad's existence wasnt so dragged n saras kumud relation perhaps didn't take this kind of a turn but here she has rejected Pramad n while he will do all that he can to seperate the two, I just hope cvs show how samud stand strong together. Something like once bitten twice shy! She has learnt her lesson in not trusting him and he cudnt bear to hurt her again. A seperation under mutual terms is likely but I hope CVs can think beyond the gissa pitta track of separation!

First and foremost..Desai's against Pramaad is in itself a really interesting track! All on one side united and all cards re Pramad's intentions laid out in the open! I like that! None of this vamp in the hiding business. I hope they show a good chunk of challenges and how samud overcome them together! And add a nice blend of light Danny kumari Danny saras moments. This show has had more than enough share of depression! Wud be a treat to watch happy days again!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#85
To all who want to sound pessimistic, here is my POV.
There has been enough trouble in their life. Enough. All troubles in their life can't come at the same time na.

Especially kumud is battle-scarred. Now, my worry is that precautions dialogues. Kumud says if anything more goes wrong and saras says even if it does she can rally VC.

I'm guessing there is just one more impediment revolving around Pramad's death n s getting implicated. Alak will come to rescue. This is the worst case scenario. Otherwise it's like going round in circles.

Btw, kumud can still press for divorce citing pramads infidelity. And also implicate him again citing his continued torture in form of burning the factory.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#86

Originally posted by: tryforceful


Hgg Ji,

I know it's a capital mistake to theorize when you don't have enough data points but anyway, I am expanding upon yours:

I don't think the two would commit any crime along the scale of taking someone's life. If they did, the first thing either would do is surrender to the police. That doesn't seem like a good way to keep them in proximity; if there's no proximity, how will the story sustain in terms of keeping the viewers glued? On that account, framing S by Umesh/Kalika for a crime he didn't commit would happen if and only if the show wraps up in November.

Secondly, P is sure to get ousted off the face of the earth. But here comes the warp in the explosive tale: somebody beloved to the two also gets killed in the process by virtue of a grave mistake committed by S or K; most likely S. Guilt-ridden, they both go separate ways and meet again at Sundarnagri caves. Like you'd said the other day, these Samud scenes are a harbinger to what looms ahead; the calm before storm,

PS: Don't spank me guys, this is what happens when you pull off 2 all-nighters in a rowđŸ„± Ah, I'm such a killjoy😆



Tryforceful-

No capital mistakes here 😊...its tradition...

...CB has had a tradition of unfettered theorizing without sufficient data points at many times...but basis a deep imbibing of SC ethos...connecting the dots collectively and some reading of entrails (or reading of tea leaves) to divine the future course of the story...

In the heydays of SC when there was magic in the air, so many of us have spent hours bantering on CB ...on theorizing, analyzing and building models on character behaviour / strengths & character flaws which will move the story in a particular direction...we have agreed / diasgreed and parked the models, revisited them as another piece / milestone fell in or out of place...

So much of the CB lingo... the Hadd & Haq equations, Sandbagging of a See-Saw, Alpha - Beta natures, what drives each of the characters etc. has been created through such dialogues...

Some of us dropped out when the story became juvenile after SLB left...some of us are hanging on but simply not inspired enough to burn so much bandwidth...and our General (Arshi) still continues to bear the flag and continues to march on...and continues to inspire some of us...

So fire away...😉

NOW:
Right from the early days, when SLB's ehsaas permeated the canvas, most of us were angsty on the final end (this was way way before the TRP traps)...we all wanted Saras - Kumud to be united in the end!

As part of my research then, I had come across an article that when PH (SLB) bought the rights of the SC novel from the writers family in order to adapt to the show format...one non-negotiable condition was that the PH or the Channel will NOT change the novel structure in a gross way so as to make the show unrecognizable from its source.

In fact I think...this was the primary reason which started the friction between SLB & SP ... SLB wanted to remain true to the source and his commitment made to the writers Family Trust and SP wanted to change the end ...in the end.

Let me clarify that I am not sure of the authenticity of this article...

However, now TRPs are looking up...and still there are rumors that SP wants to shut this down in Dec.

IF
- SP wants to shut this down despite the above, one reason is that the legal binds regarding not changing the end has real teeth...
- In which case, why should it continue to burn effort and money on a product which eventually will result in dropping TRPs (from the moment the story moves into the end game phase)...

If it could change the end...it could extend the show indefinitely

I had stopped seeing the actual epis for quite some time and have started to see it from the last few epis...

Consequently when I see this show after a gap, I find the following structuring troublesome...

- Kusum's stand is still not only ambiguous, but her character has dangerously been embedded & 'softened' with respect to both Saras & Kumud's predicament...unlike Kumari she has no potential jodi partner...she's aware of what both have been through and her character has moved from unaffected party (before kumud's marriage) to a partner-in crime (during BD) to 'understanding' Saras motivations...and feelings turned from hatred for saras (immediately post Kumud marriage) to a deep abiding respect...

- VC & Saras now tied at the hip for business

- DB as the surrogate Saraswati for Saras

- I believe Sundargiri has already happened and we are racing towards the end game...It happened the night they spent alone in that hut...the mangalsutra left behind and kumud clear in her mind she loves saras and wants to spend the rest of her life with saras once she's free from pramad...

- In this context, Kumud and Saras expressing Respect (only) and not other manifestations of a jodi in love...This to me is the most jarring ... If you see the epis...everyone else has moved at breakneck speed save these two.
1) SD from doting & indulgent MIL to full-fledged saas to whom kumud is Enemy No.1
2) Kalika from servant to surrogate DIL giving advise to SD, who follows it to the T.
3) Kalika & Pramad as the evil jodi.
4) Pramad stand clear...he is Mr. Evil.
5) BD from Naveen is surrogate son to Get out Saras
6) BD from Pramad bashing to What more can I do types.
7) BD from Kumud is Laxmi to Kumud Hmmm?
8) DB from I Hate saras to Saras my Son
9) Return of Umesh
10) Emphasis by Pramad on the show's tag-line "Muqamal Mohabbat Ki Adhoori Dastan"...This is most troubling... Was the director being cheeky?... This line was never completed ...so is that a hint ... an Easter Egg?

It seemed to me that the CVs are preparing grounds to round -off character locus standi for an end more or less on the same lines as he novel...

However let's see... Next week will be most interesting...and will provide more markers...

Till then its biting nails time!
😕




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Posted: 11 years ago
#87
@hgg

A super awesome but highly scary analysis from you after a long long time. The CVs have us precariously balanced between the two options and are giving confusing clues !
For the first time I hope you are wrong😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
#88

Originally posted by: pasumarthisa

To all who want to sound pessimistic, here is my POV.

There has been enough trouble in their life. Enough. All troubles in their life can't come at the same time na.

Especially kumud is battle-scarred. Now, my worry is that precautions dialogues. Kumud says if anything more goes wrong and saras says even if it does she can rally VC.

I'm guessing there is just one more impediment revolving around Pramad's death n s getting implicated. Alak will come to rescue. This is the worst case scenario. Otherwise it's like going round in circles.

Btw, kumud can still press for divorce citing pramads infidelity. And also implicate him again citing his continued torture in form of burning the factory.



Ahem...Shanthi-
It seems I am the only guy here who's 'pessimistic' right now...So feel free to address me directly..
😊

Sorry if that sounds contrarian...

In the novel, all troubles came to Kumud exclusively all the time...In the end she was let down by the two people she trusted the most...her dad the great VC and her great love saras...na?

You will notice that VC is now broke and dependent on Saras ...financially and emotionally...what will he rally with?

The biggest bridge has been burnt...that of Pramad trying to kill kumud...when kumud took back her complaint...Even in real life there is no case of Pramad burning down the factory because there is no proof (as of last week)...Also in real life its not so easy to get a divorce even if you cite infidelity...also where's the proof?...So Pramad burning the divorce papers is a real threat for saras - kumud...

You think a channel which screwed SLB over in favor of TRPs is going to allow modern approaches in reel life?

If the serial is indeed shutting down...and this is key...then SP is better off shutting it down such that it remains in the good books of its preferred audience of TRP aunties...for which the regressive end is the best deal...

Neways...these are my thoughts ...have not seen the epis since last 20 odd epis and saw a few recent epis ...so sensing the contrasts at my end...

And I could be wrong too...

But I say it as I see it...Always have. 😊

Could say it as I see it on CB...Hope I can continue to do that...

...Missing some friends acutely today ...that's a contrast too...😛





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Posted: 11 years ago
#89

Originally posted by: hotdogg



Ahem...Shanthi-
It seems I am the only guy here who's 'pessimistic' right now...So feel free to address me directly..
😊

Sorry if that sounds contrarian...

In the novel, all troubles came to Kumud exclusively all the time...In the end she was let down by the two people she trusted the most...her dad the great VC and her great love saras...na?

You will notice that VC is now broke and dependent on Saras ...financially and emotionally...what will he rally with?

The biggest bridge has been burnt...that of Pramad trying to kill kumud...when kumud took back her complaint...Even in real life there is no case of Pramad burning down the factory because there is no proof (as of last week)...Also in real life its not so easy to get a divorce even if you cite infidelity...also where's the proof?...So Pramad burning the divorce papers is a real threat for saras - kumud...

You think a channel which screwed SLB over in favor of TRPs is going to allow modern approaches in reel life?

If the serial is indeed shutting down...and this is key...then SP is better off shutting it down such that it remains in the good books of its preferred audience of TRP aunties...for which the regressive end is the best deal...

Neways...these are my thoughts ...have not seen the epis since last 20 odd epis and saw a few recent epis ...so sensing the contrasts at my end...

And I could be wrong too...

But I say it as I see it...Always have. 😊

Could say it as I see it on CB...Hope I can continue to do that...

...Missing some friends acutely today ...that's a contrast too...😛


Hgg, it's CB, of course you can say what you see, yo have an ability to see and connect dots and come up with amazing analysis

We always look to you for that

And CB hasn't changed, it's still the place where we can all share our views, and agree or disagree or agree to disagree
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Posted: 11 years ago
#90

Originally posted by: Arshics

@hgg

A super awesome but highly scary analysis from you after a long long time. The CVs have us precariously balanced between the two options and are giving confusing clues !
For the first time I hope you are wrong😊



Amen Arshi-

Fervently praying that I am wrong...I will be crushed if this atrocity befalls us.


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