Arman vs. Ellie - Page 21

Originally posted by: Diva-In-Armor

I don't agree with Elli being called out.

Firstly, she did object and asked them to stop. But they still kept going.

Secondly, you may wanna call her weak. But then again, you would have to call Armaan and even Rajat weak for crying. Crying doesn't mean one is weak, at least that is not my interpretation of someone who cries. Imagine, few people whom I might have considered friends mocked me or used lines like "Chumma le lunga ya kapde phaad dunga" even I might not know how to react considering they were supposed to be friends. Friends do not use that kinda language, at least the guys I have been around. She at least asked them to stop since it was making her uncomfortable. And hypothetically, even if she hadn't objected, do you think such lines are decent enough even in fun coming from a guy friend ? Also, just because you consider her a "weak woman" does it give any guy a right to pass such lecherous remarks ? I agree with you that women should take a stand and say "No" and Elli did say "NO". But I also believe that just because one cannot raise their voice doesn't give anyone a right to pass such remarks.

Also in a country where eve teasing and rape is such a issue, do you feel such statements should be ignored and taken all in fun. As far as I am concerned, National TV does have impact on the audience, so at least for me such remarks should be condemned without trying to shift the blame onto the girl.

Just my take on it.

On a side note: I hear a dog barking outside my house after this other dog kicked him. Poor thing, I think he is crying now 😭 Sara, Do you like dogs ?

I was talking about crying here in particular context .
One can get injured and cry because of that...so that doesn't make person weak ..its natural. But over here I was refering to her sobbing due to certain reason which was Arman's remark on her. Crying also is not reason of her being wrong, its more of not voicing her opinion amd moreover going to others and complaining about it...THAT according to me was sign of weak person.Rather she should have gone straight to him and stated her discomfort, which later she did and he apologized as well. If Elli said no , it wasnt that effective...i didnt hear it saying it with much emphasis bz she was laughing, so it was hard to judge for anyone if she was joking or what.
Just to add nowhere I am saying that what Arman said was right or appropriate , that was inappropriate for sure but one has to understand where it came from and how it came . So I don't know what the big deal is about , they were joking, in joke limits were crossed and later it was made issue by involving people who shouldn't be involved because it wasn't between them but at end everything was resolved by apologizes and mutual understanding .Now they are cool since she told him not to make such Jokes. That's it. It would have been issue if person would have never apologized on issue or would have set bad example if he would have carried that behavior again.But thats not the case. So something happened, people realized and its all said n done period

Now coming to scnerio of what is happening in India, I strongly condemn all rapes and eve teasing happening there. I also see how such remarks reflects mind of society but why blame all men for it. Isnt it making same statement as some politicians says that girls are responsible too because they have cell phones and wear short skirts. Arguments can be made from both sides and it will be never ending story. We want equality for women in every sense , so lets treat everything fair and equal first.

Being a Girl, all I want is for girls to stand up for themselves, if they are unconfortable with something, VOICE their ipinion right out rather than finding someoneelse shoulder to cry on. This would give strong message to wrongdoers so that they never dare to do something that hideous as rape or eve teasing.For me thats Strong women and I want to see women of India to command that respect herself not on somebody else crutches.

And lol...I hated dogs my entire life. But now I am getting fond of them slowly.😆

Originally posted by: sarasingh86

I was talking about crying here in particular context .
One can get injured and cry because of that...so that doesn't make person weak ..its natural. But over here I was refering to her sobbing due to certain reason which was Arman's remark on her. Crying also is not reason of her being wrong, its more of not voicing her opinion amd moreover going to others and complaining about it...THAT according to me was sign of weak person.Rather she should have gone straight to him and stated her discomfort, which later she did and he apologized as well. If Elli said no , it wasnt that effective...i didnt hear it saying it with much emphasis bz she was laughing, so it was hard to judge for anyone if she was joking or what.
Just to add nowhere I am saying that what Arman said was right or appropriate , that was inappropriate for sure but one has to understand where it came from and how it came . So I don't know what the big deal is about , they were joking, in joke limits were crossed and later it was made issue by involving people who shouldn't be involved because it wasn't between them but at end everything was resolved by apologizes and mutual understanding .Now they are cool since she told him not to make such Jokes. That's it. It would have been issue if person would have never apologized on issue or would have set bad example if he would have carried that behavior again.But thats not the case. So something happened, people realized and its all said n done period

This I shall agree to disagree or we will keep going in circles 😆

Now coming to scnerio of what is happening in India, I strongly condemn all rapes and eve teasing happening there. I also see how such remarks reflects mind of society but why blame all men for it. Isnt it making same statement as some politicians says that girls are responsible too because they have cell phones and wear short skirts. Arguments can be made from both sides and it will be never ending story. We want equality for women in every sense , so lets treat everything fair and equal first.

@Bold: Where did I or anyone blame all the men ? We blamed Armaan for his actions and will blame anyone who follows his footsteps since such statements shouldn't be used where dignity of an individual is on the line, be it a man or woman. I and many are objecting since we feel such statements on National TV play a big role in influencing the mindset. And since rapes and eve teasing have become such an issue in India, such remarks should be condemned for the correct message to be sent through the medium without diluting it by trying to justify it.

Also, I don't think anyone here is a misandrist who is on a witch-hunt to extinct male species from planet Earth. Personally speaking, without men, my worldly adventure will have to be cut in half 😆

As for Equality in every sense, it doesn't seem plausible since biological differences between men and women will always be there. As for the situation, personally speaking, I still stand the ground that just because someone didn't object the way we would have wanted to, doesn't give Armaan or anyone a right to pass such lewd remarks, which many of us keep hearing from some of the nastiest creatures on the roll of eve teasing out in the real world. So as far as I can see, our take on the situation is fair since we are only calling out on the wrong action of Armaan and not condemning men in general.

Being a Girl, all I want is for girls to stand up for themselves, if they are unconfortable with something, VOICE their ipinion right out rather than finding someoneelse shoulder to cry on. This would give strong message to wrongdoers so that they never dare to do something that hideous as rape or eve teasing.For me thats Strong women and I want to see women of India to command that respect herself not on somebody else crutches.

This bit I agree with and I would love to see every woman out there take a stand for herself without fearing her family, friends or society in general. But then again, I still can't rule out that everyone is different and so is their personality. Many are strong to voice out their concerns, while many do not have it in them. In a way if I look at the situation, at least Elli had it in her to say "No" and mention that "it's enough and don't do it". While, you may even find few who won't even do as much, rather go with the flow and laugh along for such statements are coming from a friend. So technically speaking, I don't find her "weak" like how you perceive her.

And lol...I hated dogs my entire life. But now I am getting fond of them slowly.😆
Really, I still dislike dogs especially the mad ones who keep barking and following you endlessly

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Originally posted by: Diva-In-Armor

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Well all I want to state is that Women or anyone is treated unfairly because they let others to do that. So when person blame others , they should blame themselves too for not showing courage to do something when he/she could have done that. Simple as that. Its better to be OWNER than live in Victim mentality and feel sorry for yourself. It sets better example and motivates other also to follow right behavior.
Women in india and many parts of world are striving for independence , in terms of freedom and capability. My point is they have every thing in them to do it by themselves and best way is to show it . If they will not beleive that they are equals n have same capabilty as of men , then no one else will. I would conclude by saying that Do women wants to become VICTIM OR VICTOR ? Every women's Choice is answer to her own independence.

And yes one thing I have noticed more you focus on mad dogs, more they will hound you.Stop noticing /bothering them, they will disappear. 😆

Originally posted by: sarasingh86

Well all I want to state is that Women or anyone is treated unfairly because they let others to do that. So when person blame others , they should blame themselves too for not showing courage to do something when he/she could have done that. Simple as that. Its better to be OWNER than live in Victim mentality and feel sorry for yourself. It sets better example and motivates other also to follow right behavior.
Women in india and many parts of world are striving for independence , in terms of freedom and capability. My point is they have every thing in them to do it by themselves and best way is to show it . If they will not beleive that they are equals n have same capabilty as of men , then no one else will. I would conclude by saying that Do women wants to become VICTIM OR VICTOR ? Every women's Choice is answer to her own independence.

And yes one thing I have noticed more you focus on mad dogs, more they will hound you.Stop noticing /bothering them, they will disappear. 😆

@Bold: Only because of this, I shall call it a day and say I agree, I agree, I agree 😆

Just kidding, yes I agree with this post of yours to an extend. @Underlined: Do you feel women who are raped or eve teased or mocked on the street is because they are letting others do it ? Do you feel people will back off even if you were to show the courage ? Do you feel even after saying "No" and showing the courage, certain men wouldn't dare to step the boundary ?

That is the reason why I still stand the ground that if someone is "weak" or not able to defend themselves (there could be various reasons for it), doesn't give anyone a right to pounce on them or make them an easy target. Ideally speaking, you have a point, but realistically speaking, not something applicable for all, just my opinion.

Originally posted by: Diva-In-Armor

@Bold: Only because of this, I shall call it a day and say I agree, I agree, I agree 😆

Just kidding, yes I agree with this post of yours to an extend. @Underlined: Do you feel women who are raped or eve teased or mocked on the street is because they are letting others do it ? Do you feel people will back off even if you were to show the courage ? Do you feel even after saying "No" and showing the courage, certain men wouldn't dare to step the boundary ?

That is the reason why I still stand the ground that if someone is "weak" or not able to defend themselves (there could be various reasons for it), doesn't give anyone a right to pounce on them or make them an easy target. Ideally speaking, you have a point, but realistically speaking, not something applicable for all, just my opinion.

@Red- No not at all , I am not saying that Women are getting raped bz they are letting others do it.
But I am trying to analyze that why is it happening again and again .There could be probable reasons behind it and rather than sitting , sobbing and being at receiving end its time to get up and better make urself stronger so that no one can dare to do it again. Take this example, kid is bullied every single day in school. He comes home n cries, tell on bully to his big brother/Sista . Big Brother/Sista fixes the bully next day. Problem solved but is problem really solved?
I feel No. Year after kid changes school , he finds some very friendly friends n some bullies there too and get treated badly by them again. May be Big Brother/ Sista is not around this time, then What? Is he/she gone look for another support. Isnt it better that Kid teaches bully a lesson by himself. I am talking about that kind of courage. I am talking about Direct control of situation (confidence of not being dependent on others) and forming your own identity.

Also I totally agree that its not at all justified to pounce on anyone just because they are weak or so. But I am talking about scenario where damage is already done and how one should react to it , so that one sets example for future. There is no gurantee or so of anything in life but that doesnt mean we shouldn't equip ourselves/ take control with best way possible. PEACE 😊