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Posted: 19 years ago
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ok - i will reply to this tomorrow - will do it tomorrow cos i know i have time to do so in the afternoon...see u then
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Wow - spirited discussionss! 😃

Aastha tends to believe only what she wants to believe! She believes Neha's diary - but she doesn't believe her dad when he gave her that long lecture about how he was responsible for Aastha's insecurity while Simran has always undertaken every responsibility with ease! He also mentioned, rightly so, that Neha wouldn't have given Simran the custody of her child if she hadn't trusted her implicitly! WHy doesn't Aastha understand and bellieve these arguments? Why does she believe some Kiran that she met the previous day? Seems to me she only believes anyone who says a word against Simran...talk about thinking with a narrow mind!!!!!

And the only person Aastha should be pissed off at is her dad.....Abhi was also responsible for some secrets hidden from her.....if Aastha is as genuine as many think, she should renounce her entire family - her dad, her dadi, nana, Sid etc....but she isn't doing so....I find that quite hypocritical....only she chooses to be pissed off at that woman who is responsible for her beautiful childhood!!!!

That said, Simran is certainly not perfect and I don't believe that anyone who likes her believes so either...in fact, Astitva is a class apart from other serials because every character is human!!!!! But she is certainly someone who has respected every responsibility and fulfilled it whole-heartedly....and I am sure that if Aastha possesses an ounce of brain she too will realize this some day!

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: wawahehe

innocent, First of all, I will definitely reply to you post which I find interesting. You have very cleverly grouped scorp, me and anyone else who says anything against Simran.

I cannot believe that you are including Abhi as a person who did not blame Simran. I will not be giving any explanation justifying why he did not because I will find it a watse of my time and several others to talk about him. However, it makes me feel you only want to see/listen to things that show Simran in good light.

Neha did not blame Simran - that is only your imagination. if she had not blames Simran and Abhi, why did Abhi run away for 18 years. She called bother of them together and wanted to see them married only because she truly loved Abhi - she could not see him suffering without Simran. Remember, when Simran refused to meet Abhi for couple days, how our hero was shown to be suffering as if he had suffered a stroke. Neha gave Aastha to Simran only because that would have made Abhi happy.

Poonam was indebted to Simran that she could not believe that Simran could have been cause of Neha's death (If I remember correctly, Simran had Poonam's life at one point of time and had also given her a job ). Additionally, Neha may not have shared everything with Pooonam. Poonam only saw Simran trying to save Neha as a doctor but did not see simarn as a second lady in Neha-Abhi's married life. As a doctor, I do not blame Simran because she tried to save Neha but it was out of her hands. However, as a woman, I blame her again to be a cause of Neha's death.

Why Radhaji blamed Simran - what is a single mother supposed to behave who has just lost her only kid at her prime youth. Radhaji was a mother and therefore could see in neah's eyes what was bothering her before she died.

Why I blame Simran ( i guess others as well whom you have named in your post) - I think I have said enough above.

Now let me ask you why cannot you see Simran as making any mistake in her life - I find you one of the biggest Simran bhakt in the forum that you ignore anything that she has done wrong - is it because you are fsacinated by her looks, etc ? If yes, please see beyond that and you probably will understand why I and a lot others find Simran a normal woman who has commited a lot of blunders (ofcourse the biggest being responsible for neha's death).



wawahehe ! you said it all...
Very well said šŸ‘ šŸ‘ šŸ‘
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Wahwa, you have made some very challenging comments.Even though I don't believe Simran is responsible for Neha's death,I can see why some of you do.

What I am writing below is not in response to II's or your posts in particular.

Why oh why didn't Radhaji and Neha have the good sense to see some other Gynec. right from the beginning???
Simran surely was not the only good doctor in all of Mumbai.
Had Simran refused,she would be labeled unprofessional. And because she accepted she is said to be doing it to be close to Abhi and please him.
"Heads I win,Tails you lose situation" for her.

Neha was undoubtedly very much in love with Abhi and really very innocent.With all her insecurities,both mother and daughter had full faith in Simran as a doctor.On realising how miserable her daughter was,Radhaji had a talk with Simran and asked her to stay away.Fine.But she never once suggested a change of doctor even at that stage.It may be unprofessional for a doctor to refuse a patient in the middle of a pregnancy but surely the patient has the right to change if she is not feeling comfortable with the doctor for ANY reason. Also a doctor's credibility is not just her capability and competence but her/his overall character.
One of the most unrealistic situations in this serial.Which woman would go to her husband's ex-wife for consultation....be it doctor,lawyer or accountant.
Doesn't it hurt the ex wife to see her ex husband and his wife together flaunting their happiness in front of her??? or does professionalism mean having no feelings,or even better showing them.

Anyway it's the viewer's choice to believe what they want.
But I think that Radhaji in her state of shock is believing what she is.The loss is unbearable and she is looking for someone to blame.Her even bigger grouse against Simran is that she took Gudiya,her Neha's last"nishani'away from her.Can't blame her!!! In her grief she has become unreasonable.
Edited by Akshata - 19 years ago
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Posted: 19 years ago
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right, wawa old bean?

first things first - how was the beach? oooh i wish i could go but things not so easy to do that way here 😔 ...anyway matey, hope u really had a great time!!! šŸ‘

Now the less important stuff (and i really am not being sarcstic - it really is less important, imho)

1)anti-simranites: OK the reason i mentioned it this way is that I feel you guys are trying to keep posting repetetively to show simran as a vamp or a villain.Ok, you may not agree with that, but that is my perception. Perhaps, you in particular, feel this way as you started watching around the time neha was expecting, and this was THE TIME in simran's life that her behaviour took us all by surprise.
Anyway, you see, I think a vamp is someone that lives off other's blood - someone who will do nothing to hurt others as she is unable to see them happy. In some ways, kiran fits this description. But simran most definately doesn't. Yes, she certainly was wrong butting in between abhi and neha having been pivotal in getting them together. We all agree on this point and it has already been discussed at length. She also apologised to neha with joined hands and promptly butted out in remorse. So, would you agree simran doesn't fit the bill of a vamp?
To me, a villain would be someone who categorically lays a plan to harm another. Again, kiran comes to mind. But simran doesn't. She hasn't harmed anyone pre-meditavily (hmmm...hope there is such a word, but you get my drift šŸ˜‰ )
You see when I read posts from you guys, it's as if you guys are trying to prove simran as all this and i don't think she is. And, yes, I definately can see beyond beauty - which is only skin deep, i know that. I only keep referring to it for fun(as well)... šŸ˜†
Anyway, that's that regarding this point. Now the next;

2)Abhi: Ya, i don't include abhi. You see abhi went away for prayaschit for hurting neha so much. Hurt that he caused. I don't recall he blamed simran for hurting neha, altho he has (on his honeymoon of all places! oh well, he was busy doing this so prob no new baby fro him after all - but ya never know wiht abhi do you wawa šŸ˜‰ )..as i was saying, he has admitted on honeymoon that simran's insistence on him and neha marrying ruined 3 lives - neha's, simran's and abhi's. Make of this what you will, but I'm not convinced he is blaming simran the way you guys are....

3)Neha: I still say, at the end of her life, neha did not blame simran. It's not something we need to "argue" (good-naturedly) on any more - let's just agree to dis-agree....but let me also leave you with this thought....At the end of her own life, neha was so much in awe of simran, that she wanted her kid to grow up like simran...she wanted her kids to only call simran "mama"...this she did because of her high respect for simran, not just because of her love for abhi, altho i agree this did have a part to play in it.

3)Poonam: Poonam is more intelligent than to just protect simran like this cause she is indebted....(and anyway, wasn't that incredibly nice of simran to open the door to a new career for poonam?)

4) i'm glad we agree that simran was not to blame as a doctor - and i'm glad you cleared this point to the forum...but I also don't think simran was to blame as a woman, for all the reasons I have already mentioned.

5) Radhaji - we understand and sypathise with radhaji....and I for one do not think simran looked after radhaji out of guilt....I think she did it for more noble reasons...however, not allowing radhaji to see gudiya that much - ya, that was not nice, and it comes under the umbrella of simran making a huge mistake in not telling gudiya about her roots....

6)Simran bhakti: Actually, I don't think I am the biggest simran bhakt....but we don't need to agree on that 😊 ...ya, simran has made blunders, but they weren't "premeditated murder" (please read that only as a figure-of-speech...cos that's all it is)....And i think this is the crux to our discussion - the point we do not see eye-to-eye on...you guys keep implying simran has made these mistakes deliberatily - and i and other's think she hasn't....but, matey, let's just agree to disagree, and move on....cos it's not as important as the beach is it really? šŸ˜› So why go on about it

Looking forward to closing remarks from you wawa, old bean... šŸ˜‰

But folks - if anyone else wants to comment, then please do - it'll make it fun...

Edited by innocentindian - 19 years ago
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: scorpio_pk



I think Sia is running after Sid like a sick puppy,knowing that he is the love of her real sister...firstly she was behind Abhi like a sick puppy and now she is behind Sid.....Whether Sid love her or not but I think its VERY WRONG to get attracted to the person her sister loved...Sia is really disgusting, sick-minded and abnormal person.

i agree with yur every word!!

i cudnt have said it better

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Akshata...my sentiments exactly,as to why Neha and her Radha insisted on Simran being her gynea,if Neha was so freaking insecure about Abhi-Simran's relationship!! 😔

I'm neither pro or anti any of the characters,but the fact is...its unfair to squarely blame Simran for Neha's death!!One point i would like to make here and that is...if Neha was so against Abhi-Simran's friendship/relationship..why did she have to pretend that she was fine with it in the first place?She could have spoken her mind from the very beginning,and made it clear to abhi that this is not to be,my friend,u wanna marry me..u stay away from that ex of yours..kinda thing!!Why smile thru it all,and pretend that she was sooooo open minded and cool about it till the end??She confided in her Mum,(Radha)and even then Radha told her on her face:"Neha,tum ghalat sochrahi ho beti,aisa kuch nahi hei,yeh sirf tumhari vehem hei,aut tumhe pata hei tumhara problem kya hei?Tum zarooratse ziadah sochti ho",thats exactly what Radha herself told her daughter,and when she saw that Neha's insecurities increasing,she went to speak to Simran,and after that we all know what happened...!!!So my point is...NEha shud have spoken her mind...and am NOT including the fact that she DID at her advance stage of pregnancy...where she tried telling abhi about it etc etc!!!She shud have done it from the very beginning,and not wait so long!!And she herself made the decision of choosing Simran as her doctor,Abhi did NOT compel her,therefore,we can't say that she did it to make Abhi happy either!!!She wanted to prove a point,that she is absoloutely fine with Simran and was not insecure or anything!And about the bedsheet part in the bedroom thing,many of u have borught up before...i agree that SImran did not do the rite thing,but neither do i believe that Neha shud have felt ANYTHING there either,if at all she shud have felt something...she shud have felt sorry for Simran,as Simran was "there"first,and she knew the circumstances as to why ABhi and Simran parted,and let it go...take it with a pinh of salt and let it go!!Anyway...coming back to Simran being responsible for Neha's death,and insecurities to start with,i beg to disagree,and believe that if NEha had opened her mouth and NOT pretend so much and not be hypocrite,she would not have needed to go thru so much torment! 🤢

I know such characters,and have gone thru lots of this kinda crap,so i know what its like,trust me!! šŸ˜›

Your thoughts and opinions are much appreciated here!!
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: wawahehe

Innocent, it was a great weekend to be on the beach. Unfortunately, everyone thought the same and it was very very crowded.

As usual, liked your post šŸ˜‰ 😃

aaah well - as they say "better to have beached than not to have beached at all"....ok, well, they don't say it, but i just have and maybe now they all will šŸ˜›

ok, wawa old bean....do try and reply to this one now...looking forward to your comments - where u agree with me (if at all), where u don't agree with me (ummm, if at all?)...etc., etc,... šŸ˜‰

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