The Party & its hangover!

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Random observations on yesterday's party and today's happenings.

Manav - His reaction during the video presentation was surprising, he actually looked proudly approving when that juice was dumped on the other little girl's head. However much of a doting dad he is, there should have been at least a moment of embarrassment. His reactions today would have been totally justifiable if he did not know the history behind his daughter's faltu marriage. He knew of Ovi's deal, why then is he so surprised that the buniyad in itself was rocky? He did not chide his daughter then nor did he come to Purvi to lend her a shoulder as she was left bereft and alone the day of Ovi's reception party. He made merry not sparing a thought to the girl who had sacrificed her happiness so that he could have his Archana back and his darling Ovi could claim possession of her Arjun. Yet, today, he cannot brook his daughter's tears. Yes, if it was only for the baby switch, he would have been well within his rights as Ovi's dad to take Onir and Purvi to task, but that was not what he was referring to, he was referring to the pregnancy when he yelled at Arjun & Purvi (not Onir and Purvi) and told them both that he could not believe that they had done this to his daughter. Really, Manav? You knew your beloved daughter had torn them asunder and you well knew the reason behind it, you did nothing then, you turned a blind eye to your darling daughter's faults. When Purvi made the sacrifice and gave up Arjun and left your Ovi smiling, you were happy to take the sacrifice, when Purvi's sacrifice upset Ovi, you could not understand how Purvi could have done this. What a hypocrite! He never understood Archana for 18 long years, and he still does not. How could he conceive in his wildest dreams that Archana could have raised a daughter who would willingly cause havoc in his Ovi's life?

Soham - was admirable as the brother who loves both sisters and is torn between them. If he could only get rid of that bee in his bonnet about Arjun being the culprit, all would be well.

Varsha - another hypocrite. Married and living with another man for decades to serve her own selfish purpose and now preaching that what Arjun and Purvi did (sleeping together before marriage?) is wrong.

Manju - adarsh daughter in law indeed! Never wastes an opportunity to rub dung in the faces of her sasuma and husband, running true to form as always.

Vinod - hen-pecked husband, falling in line with the rest of the husbands on PR.

Sulo - that slap was so out of sync! And why bring Archana and her sacrifices into it? What did it have to do with the present situation? Ah, I get it, the word sacrifice invokes her angelic daughter. Sulo has not served her daughter well and neither has she served Purvi well.

Mittal - no stone left unturned to hurl mud at others. Just you wait, Mr, Mittal, just you wait. Your time to pay is coming.

Punni - Missed the lovely Punni today, was that disgust on her face yesterday as Mittal pulled out the CD? One can hope.

Arjun - not much for him to do or say, his hands were tied and the one time he did step forward, the wind was taken out of his sails by the roar of his saas, Manav baba. Arjun looked properly distressed and helpless, poor guy. Caught between a rock and a hard place.

Purvi - well, she did better than her Mahaan Aai (not bashing Archu at all), she at least opened her mouth in self-defense, not that she was allowed to finish but she tried to explain before being cut off by the histrionics of the resident brat. Archu would have kept mum and let the gaalis rain on herself, looking teary-eyed and beautiful but not uttering a word to clear herself.

Ovi - this leopard will never change its spots. She was a friend to Purvi? Shared her deepest darkest secrets and fondest hopes with her sister? Poor girl, the number of drinks she has had must have left her brain befuddled. The gaalis hurled at her "sister", the theft accusation at the puja, the demand to have Purvi removed from the house, pregnant and all, who needs enemies when you can have a best friend like Ovi?!! And please, ever mindful of the loss she has had but which mother will look another way when her child is in distress? She has mothered Pari for two months, if she had had twins and one had perished, would she have discarded the other? How is she able to so easily dis-engage herself from Pari?

Onir - saving the best for last. He was taken to task yesterday for not coming to Purvi's aid when Mittal was bad-mouthing her, his face did harden but he was preempted by Arjun. Onir though stood beside his Mishti as the brickbats came flying, his arm solid around her, his palm tightly clutching her shoulder, a physical reminder that he was by her side, not to fear the tirades. He knew his words would be wasted on the D clan, one more useless than the other. Moreover he was guilty of all that Ovi accused him of, so he saved his breath and told the person who would listen, aaji Sulo. He did not deign to reply to Manju"s Purvi is back on the streets rant. Purvi has a world renown doc for a husband, a charming beautiful house in Kolkata, pray why would she end up on the streets? He let barking dogs bark and told Sulo that while the family sees Purvi's faults, he sees the love she has for them and goes on to say that inspite of being cast aside by her family, she will never be alone, she has him, he will stand by her side, come what may. Whatever the CVs have in store for ARVI, a re-union or not, the good doctor did himself proud today.

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Janhvi,

That was 1 fabulous post! Loved the mangalarthi done to the episode of the last 2 days! 😆

I am not going to write my review on the entire episode, but just going to write on the points you wrote.

- In the party yday, it was not just Manav who smiled at Ovi's water-pouring part, even Arjun smiled at that. Each and everyone in D house and even Arjun pampered Ovi since she was kid and adjusted to her likes and dislikes. No wonder after claiming to love Purvi, he managed to agree to marry Ovi at that hilltop!

- Manav raised Teju but she did not turn out like Ovi. It is just that every one cared about Ovi more than anyone or anything else. His comment that he was happy that Arjun-Ovi's completed 1 year was laughable. Wonder if he had doubts about that.

- Soham's views on Arjun, well the CVs need someone to have some misconception to continue the story forward so I ignore.

- Varsha - She said what she did was 'wrong' and I think the 'wrong' she referred to was about the child-swapping, not really the pre-marital sex.

- Manju - Loved her jale-par-namak-chidakna scene just as an unattached viewer! Man! this is what gets the TRPs. I'm sure if anyone is flipping through channels and they come across this, they would watch that scene completely before switching to the next! That scene had great command. Not that I love such characters in my life, but people get curious to know what it is all about and why the lady is barking😆

-Vinod - poor guy had to stand with disheveled hair. They didn't let him comb? <grin>

-Sulo - Sulo very bad! She hastened with that slap. I wrote about Sulo in a different post here - https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/80823441
She was angered that Purvi became much mahaan than Archana?! She hung on to that 'mahaan', her reasoning looked ridiculous!

-Mittal - Aaah so easily he escaped the Organ Trafficking case. Onir should go after him as soon as he gets out from jail.

-Punni - yeah, missed the delightful Punni, she didn't have much to do. 😆

-Arjun - I am hoping he would bail Onir out from jail (the future track). Past few days he had started to sympathize with his wife. His tears were mainly for what Ovi was going through and for all the mess everyone had to face. Even though he wanted to smash Mittal's nose, his cries were mainly for Ovi.
That ill-fated night if he stood his ground and denied marrying to Ovi, all this would not have happened! He sympathized with Ovi in Canada in that party and he sympathized with her today again (nothing wrong this time), but I guess somewhere he sympathized with her that ill-fated night on the hilltop too and hence married her. This guy does not know where to draw a line between friendship and love.

-Purvi - Yes, agree, atleast she could say a little bit. And good she left the house.

-Ovi - I was surprised she was questioning Purvi and Onir. 1st she should have taken her darling husband to task whom she so wanted to marry and married. Purvi, her sister, her friend, yeah as per her convenience and as it serves her purpose. What she shared with Purvi was her aspirations and dreams related to her unborn. Which is what made Purvi believe she will get shattered if she knew her "dream" baby is no more. And she shared when, when she had the hubby she wanted and the hubby's baby in her womb and everyone else was doting on her and her pregnancy.

-Onir - I agree to your observation. He thought it was useless to say anything to the D clan but stood there with Purvi as a silent supporter. I loved the fact that he made Sulo hear everything before leaving the house. 👏

Not just Manav, every one of the so-called 'elder' present there knew under what circumstances Arjun had to marry Ovi and yet every one is surprised at this revelation, again, completely laughable!


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Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Random observations on yesterday's party and today's happenings.

Manav - His reaction during the video presentation was surprising, he actually looked proudly approving when that juice was dumped on the other little girl's head. However much of a doting dad he is, there should have been at least a moment of embarrassment. His reactions today would have been totally justifiable if he did not know the history behind his daughter's faltu marriage. He knew of Ovi's deal, why then is he so surprised that the buniyad in itself was rocky? He did not chide his daughter then nor did he come to Purvi to lend her a shoulder as she was left bereft and alone the day of Ovi's reception party. He made merry not sparing a thought to the girl who had sacrificed her happiness so that he could have his Archana back and his darling Ovi could claim possession of her Arjun. Yet, today, he cannot brook his daughter's tears. Yes, if it was only for the baby switch, he would have been well within his rights as Ovi's dad to take Onir and Purvi to task, but that was not what he was referring to, he was referring to the pregnancy when he yelled at Arjun & Purvi (not Onir and Purvi) and told them both that he could not believe that they had done this to his daughter. Really, Manav? You knew your beloved daughter had torn them asunder and you well knew the reason behind it, you did nothing then, you turned a blind eye to your darling daughter's faults. When Purvi made the sacrifice and gave up Arjun and left your Ovi smiling, you were happy to take the sacrifice, when Purvi's sacrifice upset Ovi, you could not understand how Purvi could have done this. What a hypocrite! He never understood Archana for 18 long years, and he still does not. How could he conceive in his wildest dreams that Archana could have raised a daughter who would willingly cause havoc in his Ovi's life?

Soham - was admirable as the brother who loves both sisters and is torn between them. If he could only get rid of that bee in his bonnet about Arjun being the culprit, all would be well.

Varsha - another hypocrite. Married and living with another man for decades to serve her own selfish purpose and now preaching that what Arjun and Purvi did (sleeping together before marriage?) is wrong.

Manju - adarsh daughter in law indeed! Never wastes an opportunity to rub dung in the faces of her sasuma and husband, running true to form as always.

Vinod - hen-pecked husband, falling in line with the rest of the husbands on PR.

Sulo - that slap was so out of sync! And why bring Archana and her sacrifices into it? What did it have to do with the present situation? Ah, I get it, the word sacrifice invokes her angelic daughter. Sulo has not served her daughter well and neither has she served Purvi well.

Mittal -no stone left unturned to hurl mud at others. Just you wait, Mr, Mittal, just you wait. Your time to pay is coming.

Punni - Missed the lovely Punni today, was that disgust on her face yesterday as Mittal pulled out the CD? One can hope.

Arjun - not much for him to do or say, his hands were tied and the one time he did step forward, the wind was taken out of his sails by the roar of his saas, Manav baba. He looked distressed and helpless, poor guy. Caught between a rock and a hard place.

Purvi - well, she did better than her Mahaan Aai (not bashing Archu at all), she at least opened her mouth in self-defense, not that she was allowed to finish but she tried to explain before being cut off by the histrionics of the resident brat. Archu would have kept mum and let the gaalis rain on herself, looking teary-eyed and beautiful but not uttering a word to clear herself.

Ovi - this leopard will never change its spots. She was a friend to Purvi? Shared her deepest darkest secrets and fondest hopes with her sister? Poor girl, the number of drinks she has had must have left her brain befuddled. The gaalis hurled at her "sister", the theft accusation at the puja, the demand to have Purvi removed from the house, pregnant and all, who needs enemies when you can have a best friend like Ovi!! And please, ever mindful of the loss she has had but which mother will look another way when her child is in distress? She has mothered Pari for two months, if she had had twins and one had perished, would she have discarded the other? How is she able to so easily dis-engage herself from Pari?

Onir - saving the best for last. He was taken to task yesterday for not coming to Purvi's aid when Mittal was bad-mouthing her, his face did harden but he was preempted by Arjun. Onir though stood beside his Mishti as the brickbats came flying, his arm solid around her, his palm tightly clutching her shoulder, a physical reminder that he was by her side, not to fear the tirades. He knew his words would be wasted on the D clan, one more useless than the other> Moreover he was guilty of all that Ovi accused him of, so he saved his breath and told the person who would listen, aaji Sulo. He did not deign to reply to Manju"s Purvi is back on the streets rant. Purvi has a world renown doc for a husband, a charming beautiful house in Kolkata, pray why would she end up on the streets? He let barking dogs bark and told Sulo that while the family sees Purvi's faults, he sees the love she has for them and goes on to say that inspite of being cast aside by her family, she will never be alone, she has him, he will stand by her side, come what may. Whatever the CVs have in store for ARVI, a re-union or not, the good doctor did himself proud today.


jhanvi,


Your entire pointing MAnav as a dad who never gave two hoots about Purvi, is not in line with what the show has shown in the beginning. Manav has cared about OVi more than Purvi, just as Archana has cared for Purvi more than OVi. It is who raised you in the end for 18 years I guess. But does not mean Manav has nt been there for Purvi. He was very open-hearted towards her, until she chose to marry his other daughter's ex-fiance days within of their engagement breaking up. Purvi was always the one who ran to Manav doing baba baba even though she knew nothing about him except for stories. Why should Manav have any obligation towards her? For a father, who has no idea of the situation, but just saw evidence that this girl decided to swap babies and took away the right of his other daughter to mourn and hold her dead chilld. Did you expect him to take Purvi in his arms and say beta it is alright, I am sure you must have thought of some bhalai. I am sorry but Manav has not raised Purvi for 18 years to know her psyche. It has been a year only that he has been acquainted with her. He has no obligation to understand deeper meaning behind her actions when he has not known her for life, in face of solid incriminating evidence. No one has yet opened up the situation of pre-marital sex, so it is still looked on to as dhoka. He did what any father would do in his situation. Comfort the one who was wronged. Purvi had her DR. husband with her, as well as lallu Arjun who was ready to pounce on Mittal and whoever else spoke against Purvi. IT was OVi who had lost her husband and child and had no mother nor husband to comfort her. Manav in all his defence, has only half truth of what Purvi-Onir-Arjun did. Yes, Purvi did not get a chance to explain that and it is because of Sulo. She stepped in and slapped her shut. So Manav is not to blame for his reaction at this horrid tragedy. Just as if Archu was out of coma she would have said Purvi did this for bhalai and dead child is no big deal for Ovi. Both parents take sides, and essentially so, cuz none know the other child's psyche as they have not raised them.

OVi being a spoilt kid is a different issue. IF Manav had not spent his years mooning over lost cause Archana and had indeed been there for his kids, OVi would not have turned out this way too. She has not had the best childhood without a mother and raised by SAvita who is a granny, so bound to spoil kids, not like moms who have a balanced approach in raising kids, spurning them when necessary. So him smiling was odd, but that's the only thing about Manav one can point fingers at right now. Manav did not raise his voice against Purvi, but at Arjun. He yelled at Arjun and not Purvi in the public party.

As for Manju, she is mean and rude, but not like, Archu and Sulo have left any opportunty rubbing it in to her when Punni makes mistakes. IT was Mahaan laadli Purvi who had done public izzat aarti for Punni when caught for the involvement with a married man. People with glass houses who throw stones at others, should be ready to face their houses being bombarded when they make same mistakes then. I abhorred some of her OTT statements about Purvi and being adopted, not valid and not in line at all but snubbing SUlo about the discrimination always shown between Purvi and Punni, was absolutely understandable frm her viewpoint.

Arjun- poor guy? LOL. Arjun was the most loserly guy i have seen on a show passed off as lead. Stood there, having nerve to ask Ovi why she did not tell him about being at the hotel. He showed no remorse or guilt for dead child obviously, none of them did. He was just embarassed this came out in public party and was hoping this would lead to his immediate embrace with Purvi. Sadly, things never turn out in his favor, do they? I don't know what I could have expected out of this ghost remains of a very good character, but definitely not poor guy.

Ovi- Today, she has cleared herslef from the great ARVI's path. She was wronged, and that is the fact. As far as her behavior with PAri you are talking about, I will post a response I made elsewhere.

I do not think Ovi said anything against Pari. All she said, was take her away and leave, my head is hurting and to top it she is crying. There was no abuse used , there was no manhandling of a baby, nothing. So it is a little too severe what you are blaming her with.

Ovi has suffered trauma and though that in itself gives her no reason to misbehave, but what does explain her psyche is her fool of a husband lurking around her and the baby that is his illegitimate child.

I don't know if you have seen the movie Masoom, but it deals with a wife and her coming to terms with her husband's illegitimate child from a previous relationship. When you see it, you will hate Shabana Azmi for her behavior with this little boy, but you will understand the psyche and the pain as it is brilliantly portrayed.

Seeing a child, that is essentially your husband's illegitimate child with you so called sister, and has been used to replace your own dead child without your knowledge, is a trauma, not many of us can even think to imagine. I do not blame her even if she hates Pari ( which she does not, as she is attached and her behavior with pari before this episode shows too). Would you accept a hubby's illegitimate child with love and understanding withing 2 days of knwoing the truth? I would not. She has her moments of yelling but quickly realizes as she has grown to love Pari as her own. I describe this as a very intense "kashmakash" that a woman is going through. The child you love will always remind you of the husband's dhoka. ( I call it dhoka, not because he did it with Purvi before marriage, but because he did not come clean to her about it)

Hence, Ovi is a mother but she is also a very wronged wife and a mother of a dead child who is disposed off like trash to give her this baby. Think in her shoes and you'll know what I mean.


As for her being friends with Purvi, none of them were ever concerned about the other. Once Purvi had shown some concern for Ovi, and once OVi showed real concern when she thought Purvi had lost her child. THat is it. IT is not untrue that Ovi had loosened up to Purvi after Onir explained to her and calmed her fears, Ovi had opened up to Purvi. just as you can say purvi had her bhalai in her head while making ghastly decisions, I can say Ovi had opened up to Purvi and shared her dreams recently before the accident. So it was no all untrue.

IF you should not need enemies when you have friends like Ovi, one should not need enemies when you have sisters/mahaanta murtis like Purvi around. THey are also enough to make your life a living hell, first by hurried wanting to marry your ex fiance, then by having pre-marital sex and swapping your dead child and giving away own illegitimate child all under the guise of bhalai

I think most people want Ovi to lick Purvis feet for forgiveness and publicly declare how she came between the pavitra jodi whose love was not even strong to hold through bad times. Will that absolve her finally? She acknowledged the other day that Arjun was never hers and Purvi did not come between her and Arjun. Today she left the relationship and told them to re-unite. She is going to leave the house and go, leaving PAri for the wonderfu 21st century couple to raise together. Purvi si going to get close to aRjun while Onir is in jail paying for listening to her wild schemes. I wonder what you will say when Purvi does that. BUt I wonder what more you want out of OVi. Yes, she should hug PAri, the girl that reminds her of her husband and sister pre-marital sex at all times. and forget the dead child that was disposed off.

Will Purvi lick OVi's feet and say that disposing the dead child was not cool? Will purvi go apologize and say that whatever bullshi bhalai she thought of, she was wrong in swapping babies? Will purvi ever be able to tell vi the gender of her dead baby or how he/she looked? PEople will be satisfied only with Ovi dying in the show aftr licking the dust off Arjun-Purvi and apologizing for their amar prem that she destroyed.

Edited by pari87 - 12 years ago
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If Ovi thanked Purvi for her balidan , Manav would too
I agree.
But he is a father , can we blame him ?
Whatever the base was of the marriage , Arjun could have walked out . Is he not a free man ?

As for Ovi , I did not understand how she said Purvi and her were friends. Ovi has always been mean to Purvi. The only instance when I did think her anger was justified was during the breast feeding incident. She always looked down on Purvi , insulted her .. Though I can understand her rage towards Purvi but she did exceed limits every once in a while.

Manjusha and Vinod and Sulo are the worst kind of family / people you have around you. This girl is adopted so that should be rubbed on her face? Sulo couldn't ask manjusha to shut up when she said Purvi was from the road ?
Is that what it all came down to ?
Purvi is no one because she is adopted. I understand deshmukhs but them too ?

Onir needs to speak up in right occasions , why talk when there is no one to hear you ?

I understand the deshmukhs' reaction .. They have no relationship with Purvi . They don't care , they never did. It was always Purvi who kept begging for their acceptance.

Purvi is responsible for this situation I agree but would everyone behave the same way if it were Teju instead of Purvi ?
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Interesting analysis Jhanvi ...

Checked out the show just now ..
I am very put off with Purvi because of the way she has handled this whole Pari issue .Whatever her intentions , she had no business in always trying to poke her nose in Ovi and Arjun's marriage .I am getting fed up and bored with this whole story track ...
However , I must say that it does seems that Manav has very different set of rules when it comes to Ovi ..If I had a daughter who was this obsessed with a young boy, I would be freaking out but here Manav laughs at his daughter's cute obsession ...
He lets Ovi get away with murder ..
I think the only reason why he accepts Purvi is only and only because of Archana . When he landed in India he realized that Archana does not come alone anymore ..She comes as a package and that he is no longer the most important person in Archana's life now , that place has been taken by Purvi ..So he just had to be the good daddy to Purvi that Archana so much wanted him to be ...and he was doing a pretty good job until it conflicted with Ovi's interest ..
Today he seemed unfair when even after hearing out Purvi he came to the conclusion that one sister destroyed the other sister's home ...
For sure blame Purvi as much as you want for baby swapping idea but that is it . Cannot blame her for Arjun and Ovi's marriage not working out ...How can a compromise marriage like this work anyway ?? It's a bad marriage and that is why it is not working ...
Miss Ankita so much 😭 but happy that she left ..The girl is too young to play mother to her three daughters and most definitely too young to play Naani Ji ... proud of her work in this show ...
I only watch the show on and off now . The story line is so lame specially Arjun's character ..
Onir was very good today but he should lose his liscense because what he did was totally unethical. Ovi was his patient and he has wronged her as her doctor ...
As for Manju , don't worry , let Archana come back ..She will do solid dhullai of Manju for saying all that bakwaas about raaste pe uthai hui etc etc ... All these people ( Manav , Manju and even Sulochna ) will be in big time trouble when Archu wakes up with a different face
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Pari, agree with your post completely.

Jhanvi, you're looking at things that happened a long time back without considering any of the events that happened after. The people have changed, the circumstances have changed. Yes, Ovi proposed the deal--to purvi directly. Purvi agreed knowing the terms and conditions of the deal. Only arjun didnt know-- but he knew all of it right after the marriage, and he didn't do anything about it. Since then, they've all changed. The one thing I always credited purvi for was that she was trying her best to keep her distance from arjun after the wedding, though she slipped up at times. She should have opened her mouth and shut Ovi up when she was accused of still holding on to arjun. Ovi was wrong then, though she did ask Arjun as well. Ovi was wrong with the drinking too, we know it was wrong and she understood that it was wrong. She acknowledged it and apologized to all parties for not caring for the baby in the initial parts of the pregnancy.

She acknowledged to purvi that she was not as mature or patient as her, but she was trying to be. That she had neglected the baby, but she was now looking forward to it. She did consider purvi her friend then, and she has tried to be friendly with her since Onir had the talk with her about letting the past go. And that's what Ovi meant today when she said that she had shared her aspirations, her dreams for her baby---Ovi did not even have the chance to see, to hug that baby that had come to mean so much to her. Instead, she thought purvi had lost her baby and wanted to console her. That's what she meant when she told purvi that she must have been laughing at her. She didn't once mention about the intimate relations arjun and purvi must have shared at all. Her questions, her accusations were all in regards to her baby, and her baby alone.

It was the same with Onir, she asked him how he could have done the baby-swap after telling her he was like her big brother. And Arjun as well. She said right that arjun could never forget his past, that is true. Not because he had an affair with purvi after being married to Ovi, but because he still thought of purvi over ovi. She felt betrayed not just because pari was not her daughter, but because she had waited and expected arjun to tell her the truth directly. He didn't. Her thoughts of betrayal are not due to the supposed extra-marital affair, but due to the fact that she was not told the truth about the babies. In fact, I don't think she believes that they are having an affair--atleast currently especially since Onir is also in the picture.

And not even you can deny that she has been wronged regards the baby. Neither purvi nor onir have the rights nor the responsibility to take decisions for others. Neither does arjun for that matter, when it's something that affects his wife as well. Not even if they think it's for the good. The terms of the marriage deal was known to all parties concerned, so when you say Ovi should have known what she was getting into when she proposed the deal I will concede. So did purvi and so did arjun. But this switch was done without the knowledge of either of the parents. The marriage could have been annulled, the spouses could be divorced or separated. Though it's not a clean break, it's still reversible to an extent. Will Ovi ever be able to see her baby now? How he/she looked? Will she ever even know if it was a he or a she? Nope. She can never do that. Even if she begs in front of arjun and purvi, and gets them married herself; she will never know about the baby she lost. Not because of her fault. No, it was because her sister and jeeju decided that she was better off not ever seeing or mourning her baby, her first-born. And her husband supported it, he didn't seem to have any remorse for the dead baby at all. This loss is irreversible, and the wound will always be open because she did not get the closure she needed or deserved.

Coming to pari, she acknowledged to the baby that there was no fault of hers in the mess. But that she was in too much pain right now, and she wished pari would understand her. In the precap, she did not scream at pari or abuse her. She screamed at arjun to get the hell out, and was irritated that the baby started crying when she was having a splitting headache. She told him to take the bacchi with him. Of a wide range of reactions expected from a woman in her shoes, it was on the milder side.

Coming to purvi and onir, the tragedy is they still dont believe they did anything wrong at all. And there is no doubt they were wrong. Irrevocably wrong, definitively wrong. Just because they had noble intentions does not make their actions right. Otherwise, they needn't have been worried about the cctv footage being uncovered in the court. Make no mistake, onir would have (might still) go to jail for this. There really is nothing they can say to defend themselves, because they are wrong. They could have made the truth easier for everyone to swallow if they asked arjun to tell ovi the truth, and simultaneously they told the family the truth immediately after they knew it was going to be out. Why did they think punni will let go the opportunity to reveal the truth in dramatic fashion and cause maximum damage? Punni is not only scheming, she hates purvi for interfering in her life and humiliating her. What was the wait for, when they knew the enemy had the proof and the promise of making the reveal? Not just incredibly wrong, but also incredibly foolish.

Arjun, no words for the guy. He didn't really say anything of consequence, though there's no doubt he's a loser of the first order. Manju was OTT in her dialogues, but her reaction was expected. Her daughter was publicly humiliated by purvi, she and her daughter are always passed over in favor of archana and purvi by Sulo. Of course, she wouldn't let this opportunity go. Like Pari said, people in glass houses should not throw stones at others. You never know when one of them shatters your own house.

Lastly Manav. This is the most unfair of your comments. Manav loves Ovi over purvi, of course and obvious. He did try to defend purvi by refusing to believe Ovi when she told the truth the first time. He still didn't tell a word of reprimand to purvi herself. Archana clearly loves purvi more than any of her other children. She had said so herself, several times. She has gone so far as to learn about and ignore Ovi's suicide attempts during purvi's wedding preparations. If you can accept and even praise archana loving purvi over everybody else, how can you berate manav for loving ovi over the others especially purvi whose existence he did not even know about until a year ago?

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Originally posted by: sowmya_jairam

Pari, agree with your post completely.

Jhanvi, you're looking at things that happened a long time back without considering any of the events that happened after. The people have changed, the circumstances have changed. Yes, Ovi proposed the deal--to purvi directly. Purvi agreed knowing the terms and conditions of the deal. Only arjun didnt know-- but he knew all of it right after the marriage, and he didn't do anything about it. Since then, they've all changed. The one thing I always credited purvi for was that she was trying her best to keep her distance from arjun after the wedding, though she slipped up at times. She should have opened her mouth and shut Ovi up when she was accused of still holding on to arjun. Ovi was wrong then, though she did ask Arjun as well. Ovi was wrong with the drinking too, we know it was wrong and she understood that it was wrong. She acknowledged it and apologized to all parties for not caring for the baby in the initial parts of the pregnancy.

She acknowledged to purvi that she was not as mature or patient as her, but she was trying to be. That she had neglected the baby, but she was now looking forward to it. She did consider purvi her friend then, and she has tried to be friendly with her since Onir had the talk with her about letting the past go. And that's what Ovi meant today when she said that she had shared her aspirations, her dreams for her baby---Ovi did not even have the chance to see, to hug that baby that had come to mean so much to her. Instead, she thought purvi had lost her baby and wanted to console her. That's what she meant when she told purvi that she must have been laughing at her. She didn't once mention about the intimate relations arjun and purvi must have shared at all. Her questions, her accusations were all in regards to her baby, and her baby alone.

It was the same with Onir, she asked him how he could have done the baby-swap after telling her he was like her big brother. And Arjun as well. She said right that arjun could never forget his past, that is true. Not because he had an affair with purvi after being married to Ovi, but because he still thought of purvi over ovi. She felt betrayed not just because pari was not her daughter, but because she had waited and expected arjun to tell her the truth directly. He didn't. Her thoughts of betrayal are not due to the supposed extra-marital affair, but due to the fact that she was not told the truth about the babies. In fact, I don't think she believes that they are having an affair--atleast currently especially since Onir is also in the picture.

And not even you can deny that she has been wronged regards the baby. Neither purvi nor onir have the rights nor the responsibility to take decisions for others. Neither does arjun for that matter, when it's something that affects his wife as well. Not even if they think it's for the good. The terms of the marriage deal was known to all parties concerned, so when you say Ovi should have known what she was getting into when she proposed the deal I will concede. So did purvi and so did arjun. But this switch was done without the knowledge of either of the parents. The marriage could have been annulled, the spouses could be divorced or separated. Though it's not a clean break, it's still reversible to an extent. Will Ovi ever be able to see her baby now? How he/she looked? Will she ever even know if it was a he or a she? Nope. She can never do that. Even if she begs in front of arjun and purvi, and gets them married herself; she will never know about the baby she lost. Not because of her fault. No, it was because her sister and jeeju decided that she was better off not ever seeing or mourning her baby, her first-born. And her husband supported it, he didn't seem to have any remorse for the dead baby at all. This loss is irreversible, and the wound will always be open because she did not get the closure she needed or deserved.

Coming to pari, she acknowledged to the baby that there was no fault of hers in the mess. But that she was in too much pain right now, and she wished pari would understand her. In the precap, she did not scream at pari or abuse her. She screamed at arjun to get the hell out, and was irritated that the baby started crying when she was having a splitting headache. She told him to take the bacchi with him. Of a wide range of reactions expected from a woman in her shoes, it was on the milder side.

Coming to purvi and onir, the tragedy is they still dont believe they did anything wrong at all. And there is no doubt they were wrong. Irrevocably wrong, definitively wrong. Just because they had noble intentions does not make their actions right. Otherwise, they needn't have been worried about the cctv footage being uncovered in the court. Make no mistake, onir would have (might still) go to jail for this. There really is nothing they can say to defend themselves, because they are wrong. They could have made the truth easier for everyone to swallow if they asked arjun to tell ovi the truth, and simultaneously they told the family the truth immediately after they knew it was going to be out. Why did they think punni will let go the opportunity to reveal the truth in dramatic fashion and cause maximum damage? Punni is not only scheming, she hates purvi for interfering in her life and humiliating her. What was the wait for, when they knew the enemy had the proof and the promise of making the reveal? Not just incredibly wrong, but also incredibly foolish.

Arjun, no words for the guy. He didn't really say anything of consequence, though there's no doubt he's a loser of the first order. Manju was OTT in her dialogues, but her reaction was expected. Her daughter was publicly humiliated by purvi, she and her daughter are always passed over in favor of archana and purvi by Sulo. Of course, she wouldn't let this opportunity go. Like Pari said, people in glass houses should not throw stones at others. You never know when one of them shatters your own house.

Lastly Manav. This is the most unfair of your comments. Manav loves Ovi over purvi, of course and obvious. He did try to defend purvi by refusing to believe Ovi when she told the truth the first time. He still didn't tell a word of reprimand to purvi herself. Archana clearly loves purvi more than any of her other children. She had said so herself, several times. She has gone so far as to learn about and ignore Ovi's suicide attempts during purvi's wedding preparations. If you can accept and even praise archana loving purvi over everybody else, how can you berate manav for loving ovi over the others especially purvi whose existence he did not even know about until a year ago?


Dear Sowmya, very logically argued and for that 👏

I agree with you that the baby swapping is the worst thing that could have been done. I do feel badly for Ovi that she will never know the gender of the baby or how it looked. I do hope the CVs show that the baby was not just discarded, not because I want Onir to be portrayed as kind or having a heart but because I myself want closure to that event. All that said and done, and granting even that Ovi was accusing Arjun and Purvi not of an affair but of keeping the baby truth from her, she should have as Bee said gone to her husband first. In my post, I said she was justified in every question she asked of Onir, and he had no answer. But for her to go so far as to say Purvi was her friend is being a bit delusional. Right before the godh barai is when she made that comment to Arjun about Purvi being lucky and having it all. Which girl in her right mind would not have a prick of conscience before saying that? My theory is and I know you will not agree with me is that Ovi got softer with Purvi only after Purvi lost her baby, Ovi was unconsciously feeling that all was right with her world and that she could afford to be nice to Purvi because in Ovi's mind Purvi for the first time was not as fortunate as her.

As for Purvi and Onir, I will readily admit the baby switch was not kosher at all. I blame Onir more for this as he had the added responsibility of being the doctor of both girls.

As for Manav, no, I never expected him to love Purvi the way he loves Ovi or Teju, never said that and don't believe he can, he does not share 18 years with Purvi, she is a newcomer in his life and he has taken her on only because of kindness and obligation. That is not what I was referring to at all, I was talking about his filial responsibility not love which never prompted him to even call Purvi the day his daughter was celebrating her marriage. He was well aware of the deal, he was well aware that Arjun and Purvi were to be married that day but he did not spare a thought to Purvi arising not out of love but out of common human decency. That is what I was talking about. He is a good man but blinded by love for his daughter. If only he had been a little stricter, he may have been able to steer his daughter's life in the right direction and spared her some pain.

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Originally posted by: Tanyaz

Interesting analysis Jhanvi ...

Checked out the show just now ..
I am very put off with Purvi because of the way she has handled this whole Pari issue .Whatever her intentions , she had no business in always trying to poke her nose in Ovi and Arjun's marriage .I am getting fed up and bored with this whole story track ...
However , I must say that it does seems that Manav has very different set of rules when it comes to Ovi ..If I had a daughter who was this obsessed with a young boy, I would be freaking out but here Manav laughs at his daughter's cute obsession ...
He lets Ovi get away with murder ..
I think the only reason why he accepts Purvi is only and only because of Archana . When he landed in India he realized that Archana does not come alone anymore ..She comes as a package and that he is no longer the most important person in Archana's life now , that place has been taken by Purvi ..So he just had to be the good daddy to Purvi that Archana so much wanted him to be ...and he was doing a pretty good job until it conflicted with Ovi's interest ..
Today he seemed unfair when even after hearing out Purvi he came to the conclusion that one sister destroyed the other sister's home ...
For sure blame Purvi as much as you want for baby swapping idea but that is it . Cannot blame her for Arjun and Ovi's marriage not working out ...How can a compromise marriage like this work anyway ?? It's a bad marriage and that is why it is not working ...
Miss Ankita so much 😭 but happy that she left ..The girl is too young to play mother to her three daughters and most definitely too young to play Naani Ji ... proud of her work in this show ...
I only watch the show on and off now . The story line is so lame specially Arjun's character ..
Onir was very good today but he should lose his liscense because what he did was totally unethical. Ovi was his patient and he has wronged her as her doctor ...
As for Manju , don't worry , let Archana come back ..She will do solid dhullai of Manju for saying all that bakwaas about raaste pe uthai hui etc etc ... All these people ( Manav , Manju and even Sulochna ) will be in big time trouble when Archu wakes up with a different face


Tanya, I was wishing Archana would hasten back too. I remember your saying from the beginning that Manav was taking the responsibility of father to Purvi only because of Archana, You have said it well, yes, Archana came with Purvi as a package and there was really no way out for Manav except to accept Purvi, being a kind man, he didn't hesitate but the unfairness pops up every time he is blind to his daughter's faults.

Yes, agree that Onir did more than wrong in going along with that baby switch idea. He will be punished, I am sure.

Manju just does not have any restraint over her tongue :((
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My dear Waneeka,

About the blue part, Ovi is talking of the period when she was engaged to Arjun and he had not had the guts to tell her about Purvi, because he was then, as he is now, a spineless idiot. At that time, Ovi, though uppity in general, is very polite and friendly to Purvi, whom she saw as an employee of Arjun's. This phase, in a modified form, comes back only after Onir talks her out of her anger and depression during her pregnancy.

@ red.As for Onir not speaking up, what on earth could he have said that would have stood its ground against Ovi's lamentations? And what Ovi said to him and about him was completely justified. He is not interested in making a further tamasha in front of a gaping audience, and then he is guilty of the baby swap, is he not?

As for the circumstances of Purvi's mahaan tyaag, it is for her to explain them herself. He has done enough for her and more, and he does not have to act as her public spokesman. He stands by her like a rock whatever the fallout for himself, and she should go down on her knees and thank God for such a man, for whom she has done nothing, and whom she does not deserve in the least.

Not that she is going to do anything like that. If that latest article is correct -and it might very well be, like the one about the Arjun-Ovi marriage and Purvi's, what shall I call it, gandharva vivah in that dirty little shack - which those of us who defended them ferociously in those days, were desperate not to believe. But then all of them came true.

Then we will see more of our second female lead's propensity for mahaan tyaag,and the besotted Onir will learn that his Mishti's next sacrifice is going to be of himself. For it appears that Purvi Onir Dutt is going to start romancing her old flame as soon as her idiot of a trusting and eternally supportive husband is safely tucked away in jail. Not that he will mind; he will probably be singing hosannas to her in jail and declaring that she should go back to Arjun.

If this does in fact materialise, I expect a flood of posts here redefining both gratitude and loyalty as out of date concepts meant only for trusting fools. It will disgust an old dinosaur like me, but that hardly matters so long as the young ones like here are happy,. Sarve janaha sukinaha bhavantu.

Finally, Manav is a wimp, like Arjun . but why on earth should he side with Purvi, of whom he, and the rest of the audience there at the party, believe that she had an affair with Arjun after he married Ovi? I am only surprised that he did not slap him thrice. As for those who criticise him for supporting Ovi yesterday, I am sure they would applaud even if Purvi had had an affair with Arjun after the marriage, in the name of their amar prem.

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Originally posted by: ilovedhanjanird

If Ovi thanked Purvi for her balidan , Manav would too
I agree. But he is a father , can we blame him ?
Whatever the base was of the marriage , Arjun could have walked out . Is he not a free man ?

As for Ovi , I did not understand how she said Purvi and her were friends. Ovi has always been mean to Purvi. The only instance when I did think her anger was justified was during the breast feeding incident. She always looked down on Purvi , insulted her .. Though I can understand her rage towards Purvi but she did exceed limits every once in a while.

Manjusha and Vinod and Sulo are the worst kind of family / people you have around you. This girl is adopted so that should be rubbed on her face? Sulo couldn't ask manjusha to shut up when she said Purvi was from the road ? Is that what it all came down to ?
Purvi is no one because she is adopted. I understand deshmukhs but them too ?

Onir needs to speak up in right occasions , why talk when there is no one to hear you ?

I understand the deshmukhs' reaction .. They have no relationship with Purvi . They don't care , they never did. It was always Purvi who kept begging for their acceptance.

Purvi is responsible for this situation I agree but would everyone behave the same way if it were Teju instead of Purvi ?

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Originally posted by: pari87


jhanvi,


Your entire pointing MAnav as a dad who never gave two hoots about Purvi, is not in line with what the show has shown in the beginning. Manav has cared about OVi more than Purvi, just as Archana has cared for Purvi more than OVi. It is who raised you in the end for 18 years I guess. But does not mean Manav has nt been there for Purvi. He was very open-hearted towards her, until she chose to marry his other daughter's ex-fiance days within of their engagement breaking up. Purvi was always the one who ran to Manav doing baba baba even though she knew nothing about him except for stories. Why should Manav have any obligation towards her? For a father, who has no idea of the situation, but just saw evidence that this girl decided to swap babies and took away the right of his other daughter to mourn and hold her dead chilld. Did you expect him to take Purvi in his arms and say beta it is alright, I am sure you must have thought of some bhalai. I am sorry but Manav has not raised Purvi for 18 years to know her psyche. It has been a year only that he has been acquainted with her. He has no obligation to understand deeper meaning behind her actions when he has not known her for life, in face of solid incriminating evidence. No one has yet opened up the situation of pre-marital sex, so it is still looked on to as dhoka. He did what any father would do in his situation. Comfort the one who was wronged. Purvi had her DR. husband with her, as well as lallu Arjun who was ready to pounce on Mittal and whoever else spoke against Purvi. IT was OVi who had lost her husband and child and had no mother nor husband to comfort her. Manav in all his defence, has only half truth of what Purvi-Onir-Arjun did. Yes, Purvi did not get a chance to explain that and it is because of Sulo. She stepped in and slapped her shut. So Manav is not to blame for his reaction at this horrid tragedy. Just as if Archu was out of coma she would have said Purvi did this for bhalai and dead child is no big deal for Ovi. Both parents take sides, and essentially so, cuz none know the other child's psyche as they have not raised them.

OVi being a spoilt kid is a different issue. IF Manav had not spent his years mooning over lost cause Archana and had indeed been there for his kids, OVi would not have turned out this way too. She has not had the best childhood without a mother and raised by SAvita who is a granny, so bound to spoil kids, not like moms who have a balanced approach in raising kids, spurning them when necessary. So him smiling was odd, but that's the only thing about Manav one can point fingers at right now. Manav did not raise his voice against Purvi, but at Arjun. He yelled at Arjun and not Purvi in the public party.

As for Manju, she is mean and rude, but not like, Archu and Sulo have left any opportunty rubbing it in to her when Punni makes mistakes. IT was Mahaan laadli Purvi who had done public izzat aarti for Punni when caught for the involvement with a married man. People with glass houses who throw stones at others, should be ready to face their houses being bombarded when they make same mistakes then. I abhorred some of her OTT statements about Purvi and being adopted, not valid and not in line at all but snubbing SUlo about the discrimination always shown between Purvi and Punni, was absolutely understandable frm her viewpoint.

Arjun- poor guy? LOL. Arjun was the most loserly guy i have seen on a show passed off as lead. Stood there, having nerve to ask Ovi why she did not tell him about being at the hotel. He showed no remorse or guilt for dead child obviously, none of them did. He was just embarassed this came out in public party and was hoping this would lead to his immediate embrace with Purvi. Sadly, things never turn out in his favor, do they? I don't know what I could have expected out of this ghost remains of a very good character, but definitely not poor guy.

Ovi- Today, she has cleared herslef from the great ARVI's path. She was wronged, and that is the fact. As far as her behavior with PAri you are talking about, I will post a response I made elsewhere.

I do not think Ovi said anything against Pari. All she said, was take her away and leave, my head is hurting and to top it she is crying. There was no abuse used , there was no manhandling of a baby, nothing. So it is a little too severe what you are blaming her with.

Ovi has suffered trauma and though that in itself gives her no reason to misbehave, but what does explain her psyche is her fool of a husband lurking around her and the baby that is his illegitimate child.

I don't know if you have seen the movie Masoom, but it deals with a wife and her coming to terms with her husband's illegitimate child from a previous relationship. When you see it, you will hate Shabana Azmi for her behavior with this little boy, but you will understand the psyche and the pain as it is brilliantly portrayed.

Seeing a child, that is essentially your husband's illegitimate child with you so called sister, and has been used to replace your own dead child without your knowledge, is a trauma, not many of us can even think to imagine. I do not blame her even if she hates Pari ( which she does not, as she is attached and her behavior with pari before this episode shows too). Would you accept a hubby's illegitimate child with love and understanding withing 2 days of knwoing the truth? I would not. She has her moments of yelling but quickly realizes as she has grown to love Pari as her own. I describe this as a very intense "kashmakash" that a woman is going through. The child you love will always remind you of the husband's dhoka. ( I call it dhoka, not because he did it with Purvi before marriage, but because he did not come clean to her about it)

Hence, Ovi is a mother but she is also a very wronged wife and a mother of a dead child who is disposed off like trash to give her this baby. Think in her shoes and you'll know what I mean.


As for her being friends with Purvi, none of them were ever concerned about the other. Once Purvi had shown some concern for Ovi, and once OVi showed real concern when she thought Purvi had lost her child. THat is it. IT is not untrue that Ovi had loosened up to Purvi after Onir explained to her and calmed her fears, Ovi had opened up to Purvi. just as you can say purvi had her bhalai in her head while making ghastly decisions, I can say Ovi had opened up to Purvi and shared her dreams recently before the accident. So it was no all untrue.

IF you should not need enemies when you have friends like Ovi, one should not need enemies when you have sisters/mahaanta murtis like Purvi around. THey are also enough to make your life a living hell, first by hurried wanting to marry your ex fiance, then by having pre-marital sex and swapping your dead child and giving away own illegitimate child all under the guise of bhalai

I think most people want Ovi to lick Purvis feet for forgiveness and publicly declare how she came between the pavitra jodi whose love was not even strong to hold through bad times. Will that absolve her finally? She acknowledged the other day that Arjun was never hers and Purvi did not come between her and Arjun. Today she left the relationship and told them to re-unite. She is going to leave the house and go, leaving PAri for the wonderfu 21st century couple to raise together. Purvi si going to get close to aRjun while Onir is in jail paying for listening to her wild schemes. I wonder what you will say when Purvi does that. BUt I wonder what more you guys want out of OVi. Yes, she should hug PAri, the girl that reminds her of her husband and sister pre-marital sex at all times. and forget the dead child that was disposed off.

Will Purvi lick OVi's feet and say that disposing the dead child was not cool? Will purvi go apologize and say that whatever bullshi bhalai she thought of, she was wrong in swapping babies? Will purvi ever be able to tell vi the gender of her dead baby or how he/she looked? But I guess, ofcourse you do not want those answers from her. You are satisfied only with Ovi dying in the show aftr licking the dust off Arjun-Purvi and apologizing for their amar prem that she destroyed.


Dear Pari, I was going to "like" your post until I saw the last para 😕 Why do you insist in believing that I want Ovi dead. I never have ever said that anywhere so please don't discredit me by saying it. I read the last page of every book first as I like to make sure nobody dies not even the villain.

Yes, I have seen Masoom, loved the little boy and Shabana's acting in it. As for your question would I be able to accept hubby's illegitimate child within two days after knowing? No, I would not, I would walk out of the marriage after killing him probably 😆 but that is not what happened here. If I had nursed a baby and treated it as mine for 2 months and later found out it was not mine, I would have been devastated, if I had found out it was my hubby's illegitimate child, I would be shattered but I would not have turned away from the child as I would have already formed a bond with it. Hubby would still have been killed or maimed but the baby would have been mine, no questions asked.

As for Manav, read my comments to Sowmya, not at all disputing the fact that Manav is a big hearted man, he is just biased when it comes to his daughter. Agreeing that if Archana were around she would have supported Purvi but I am sure there would have been enough fingers raised against Archana for supporting Purvi over Ovi. What is food for the goose is food for the gander. If Archana can be pointed at for supporting Purvi, Manav can be faulted as readily for supporting Ovi over Purvi. And I am not even talking about supporting or love, I am talking about fairness and a sense of responsibility which he assumed as Purvi's father be it sans love, that was sadly lacking when he showed no signs of support for Purvi the day she gave up Arjun.

I agree with you that had Archana been around when Ovi was raised, things would have been different, dads and daughters make atrocious pairs😆, a mother's steadying hand is oft needed to right the pair.
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