The Party & its hangover! - Page 2

Originally posted by: bee5

Janhvi,

That was 1 fabulous post! Loved the magalarthi done to the episode of the last 2 days! 😆

I am not going to write my review on the entire episode, but just going to write on the points you wrote.

- In the party yday, it was not just Manav who smiled at Ovi's water-pouring part, even Arjun smiled at that. Each and everyone in D house and even Arjun pampered Ovi since she was kid and adjusted to her likes and dislikes. No wonder after claiming to love Purvi, he managed to agree to marry Ovi at that hilltop! I saw that too, even Teju smiling, the girl (Ovi) had no chance, she was doomed from the beginning. Yes, to Arjun, Ovi has always been family and his hesitation to not hurt her has only ended up causing more harm in the long run.

- Manav raised Teju but she did not turn out like Ovi. It is just that every one cared about Ovi more than anyone or anything else. His comment that he was happy that Arjun-Ovi's completed 1 year was laughable. Wonder if he had doubts about that. He might have had a drink or two before the party, perhaps?

- Soham's views on Arjun, well the CVs need someone to have some misconception to continue the story forward so I ignore. I liked him laying his head on his Mayi's lap while praising his Aai, he has come a long way.

- Varsha - She said what she did was 'wrong' and I think the 'wrong' she referred to was about the child-swapping, not really the pre-marital sex. I hope so, why did she blame Arjun then and not Onir?

- Manju - Loved her jale-par-namak-nishodna scene just as an unattached viewer! Man! this is what gets the TRPs. I'm sure if anyone is flipping through channels and they come across this, they would watch that scene completely before switching to the next! That scene had great command. Not that I love such characters in my life, but people get curious to know what it is all about and why the lady is barking😆 She is a good actress, I like the faces she makes😆

-Vinod - poor guy had to stand with disheveled hair. They didn't let him comb? <grin> he looks so paavam most of the time.

-Sulo - Sulo very bad! She hastened with that slap. I wrote about Sulo in a different post here - https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/80823441
She was angered that Purvi became much mahaan than Archana?! She hung on to that 'mahaan', her reasoning looked ridiculous! Sulo is off her rocker sometimes. will read the post and comment there.

-Mittal - Aaah so easily he escaped the Organ Trafficking case. Onir should go after him as soon as he gets out from jail. I hope the CVs don't forget the organ trafficking bit, that is so much larger than all this drama with the D clan.

-Punni - yeah, missed the delightful Punni, she didn't have much to do. 😆 Pity.

-Arjun - I am hoping he would bail Onir out from jail (the future track). Past few days he had started to sympathize with his wife. His tears were mainly for what Ovi was going through and for all the mess everyone had to face. Even though he wanted to smash Mittal's nose, his cries were mainly for Ovi.
That ill-fated night if he stood his ground and denied marrying to Ovi, all this would not have happened! He sympathized with Ovi in Canada in that party and he sympathized with her today again (nothing wrong this time), but I guess somewhere he sympathized with her that ill-fated night on the hilltop too and hence married her. This guy does not know where to draw a line between friendship and love. I agree, he stood there lost. His dad was no help either. DK has become a total dummy.

-Purvi - Yes, agree, atleast she could say a little bit. And good she left the house. I am glad she left too, why stay there and be treated like a door mat?

-Ovi - I was surprised she was questioning Purvi and Onir. 1st she should have taken her darling husband to task whom she so wanted to marry and married. Purvi, her sister, her friend, yeah as per her convenience and as it serves her purpose. What she shared with Purvi was her aspirations and dreams related to her unborn. Which is what made Purvi believe she will get shattered if she knew her "dream" baby is no more. And she shared when, when she had the hubby she wanted and the hubby's baby in her womb and everyone else was doting on her and her pregnancy. That stumped me, she should have slapped Arjun and you are so right, that is what I said in my response to Sowmya, when things go good for her, she can make the effort to be nice. Remember that Wadsforth poem that I said reminds me of her ?

-Onir - I agree to your observation. He thought it was useless to say anything to the D clan but stood there with Purvi as a silent supporter. I loved the fact that he made Sulo hear everything before leaving the house. 👏 He did good, I liked him much in today's epi.

Not just Manav, every one of the so-called 'elder' present there knew under what circumstances Arjun had to marry Ovi and yet every one is surprised at this revelation, again, completely laughable! They are old, senile and so have short term memory loss. 😉

Originally posted by: archis_2013

Jhanvi, Loved, loved, loved your post. I had breifly logged in the morning and had lamented on selfishness and hypocracy of Manav in a different thread but couldn't resist responding to this post. Couldn't believe my ears when he went complaining to Archana on how one sister has ruined the other sister's life !! My foot. Atleast he mentioned about the state of Pari.

All this anger (Ovi's and Manav's) would have been justified 100% if they had not known the truth of Pari but in yesterday's episode, Purvi has told them that she left for Kolkatta after she knew about her pregnancy. I would not blame Ovi if she does not want Pari in her life but she cannot stop looking after the baby til the adults discuss the future course of action.

Manju's words on Purvi going back to the streets were the harshest while she knew how her own daughter is trying to rob her aaji's house by cheating her. Sadly, many in the society still live with such moral values.

I really pity Arjun - pitied him in the Party yesterday and pity-ing his state in the pre-cap. His expresesion when he lifts Pari after Ovi childes him to leave her alone speaks volumes of his state of mind.

And Onir, I have the highest respect for him after today's episode. He was wrong in switching the baby for Purvi's sake and did a dis-service to Ovi by hiding the truth about her baby. But thats the only blip in his character so far. He reminded aaji (and the audience) of the struggles that Purvi had gone through and would have continued being in an unknown city during her pregnancy and later child birth. And how easy it would have been for her to go and tell everyone of the pregnancy and get back her Arjun if she had wanted to. Just a pity that a person who had been in Purvi's life the least amount of time to point that out .. My only regret is that he did not say that out in the party.

Being an Arvi-fan, we need to wait and watch on whatever happens to them next but I would like to see Onir out of his troubles soon and no bigger damage to his career because of his stupidity in the baby swapping thingy. I would wish him well in life.

Originally posted by: ilovedhanjanird

If Ovi thanked Purvi for her balidan , Manav would too
I agree.
But he is a father , can we blame him ?
Whatever the base was of the marriage , Arjun could have walked out . Is he not a free man ?

As for Ovi , I did not understand how she said Purvi and her were friends. Ovi has always been mean to Purvi. The only instance when I did think her anger was justified was during the breast feeding incident. She always looked down on Purvi , insulted her .. Though I can understand her rage towards Purvi but she did exceed limits every once in a while.

Manjusha and Vinod and Sulo are the worst kind of family / people you have around you. This girl is adopted so that should be rubbed on her face? Sulo couldn't ask manjusha to shut up when she said Purvi was from the road ?
Is that what it all came down to ?
Purvi is no one because she is adopted. I understand deshmukhs but them too ?

Onir needs to speak up in right occasions , why talk when there is no one to hear you ?

I understand the deshmukhs' reaction .. They have no relationship with Purvi . They don't care , they never did. It was always Purvi who kept begging for their acceptance.

Purvi is responsible for this situation I agree but would everyone behave the same way if it were Teju instead of Purvi ?

Originally posted by: sowmya_jairam

Pari, agree with your post completely.

Jhanvi, you're looking at things that happened a long time back without considering any of the events that happened after. The people have changed, the circumstances have changed. Yes, Ovi proposed the deal--to purvi directly. Purvi agreed knowing the terms and conditions of the deal. Only arjun didnt know-- but he knew all of it right after the marriage, and he didn't do anything about it. Since then, they've all changed. The one thing I always credited purvi for was that she was trying her best to keep her distance from arjun after the wedding, though she slipped up at times. She should have opened her mouth and shut Ovi up when she was accused of still holding on to arjun. Ovi was wrong then, though she did ask Arjun as well. Ovi was wrong with the drinking too, we know it was wrong and she understood that it was wrong. She acknowledged it and apologized to all parties for not caring for the baby in the initial parts of the pregnancy.

She acknowledged to purvi that she was not as mature or patient as her, but she was trying to be. That she had neglected the baby, but she was now looking forward to it. She did consider purvi her friend then, and she has tried to be friendly with her since Onir had the talk with her about letting the past go. And that's what Ovi meant today when she said that she had shared her aspirations, her dreams for her baby---Ovi did not even have the chance to see, to hug that baby that had come to mean so much to her. Instead, she thought purvi had lost her baby and wanted to console her. That's what she meant when she told purvi that she must have been laughing at her. She didn't once mention about the intimate relations arjun and purvi must have shared at all. Her questions, her accusations were all in regards to her baby, and her baby alone.

It was the same with Onir, she asked him how he could have done the baby-swap after telling her he was like her big brother. And Arjun as well. She said right that arjun could never forget his past, that is true. Not because he had an affair with purvi after being married to Ovi, but because he still thought of purvi over ovi. She felt betrayed not just because pari was not her daughter, but because she had waited and expected arjun to tell her the truth directly. He didn't. Her thoughts of betrayal are not due to the supposed extra-marital affair, but due to the fact that she was not told the truth about the babies. In fact, I don't think she believes that they are having an affair--atleast currently especially since Onir is also in the picture.

And not even you can deny that she has been wronged regards the baby. Neither purvi nor onir have the rights nor the responsibility to take decisions for others. Neither does arjun for that matter, when it's something that affects his wife as well. Not even if they think it's for the good. The terms of the marriage deal was known to all parties concerned, so when you say Ovi should have known what she was getting into when she proposed the deal I will concede. So did purvi and so did arjun. But this switch was done without the knowledge of either of the parents. The marriage could have been annulled, the spouses could be divorced or separated. Though it's not a clean break, it's still reversible to an extent. Will Ovi ever be able to see her baby now? How he/she looked? Will she ever even know if it was a he or a she? Nope. She can never do that. Even if she begs in front of arjun and purvi, and gets them married herself; she will never know about the baby she lost. Not because of her fault. No, it was because her sister and jeeju decided that she was better off not ever seeing or mourning her baby, her first-born. And her husband supported it, he didn't seem to have any remorse for the dead baby at all. This loss is irreversible, and the wound will always be open because she did not get the closure she needed or deserved.

Coming to pari, she acknowledged to the baby that there was no fault of hers in the mess. But that she was in too much pain right now, and she wished pari would understand her. In the precap, she did not scream at pari or abuse her. She screamed at arjun to get the hell out, and was irritated that the baby started crying when she was having a splitting headache. She told him to take the bacchi with him. Of a wide range of reactions expected from a woman in her shoes, it was on the milder side.

Coming to purvi and onir, the tragedy is they still dont believe they did anything wrong at all. And there is no doubt they were wrong. Irrevocably wrong, definitively wrong. Just because they had noble intentions does not make their actions right. Otherwise, they needn't have been worried about the cctv footage being uncovered in the court. Make no mistake, onir would have (might still) go to jail for this. There really is nothing they can say to defend themselves, because they are wrong. They could have made the truth easier for everyone to swallow if they asked arjun to tell ovi the truth, and simultaneously they told the family the truth immediately after they knew it was going to be out. Why did they think punni will let go the opportunity to reveal the truth in dramatic fashion and cause maximum damage? Punni is not only scheming, she hates purvi for interfering in her life and humiliating her. What was the wait for, when they knew the enemy had the proof and the promise of making the reveal? Not just incredibly wrong, but also incredibly foolish.

Arjun, no words for the guy. He didn't really say anything of consequence, though there's no doubt he's a loser of the first order. Manju was OTT in her dialogues, but her reaction was expected. Her daughter was publicly humiliated by purvi, she and her daughter are always passed over in favor of archana and purvi by Sulo. Of course, she wouldn't let this opportunity go. Like Pari said, people in glass houses should not throw stones at others. You never know when one of them shatters your own house.

Lastly Manav. This is the most unfair of your comments. Manav loves Ovi over purvi, of course and obvious. He did try to defend purvi by refusing to believe Ovi when she told the truth the first time. He still didn't tell a word of reprimand to purvi herself. Archana clearly loves purvi more than any of her other children. She had said so herself, several times. She has gone so far as to learn about and ignore Ovi's suicide attempts during purvi's wedding preparations. If you can accept and even praise archana loving purvi over everybody else, how can you berate manav for loving ovi over the others especially purvi whose existence he did not even know about until a year ago?

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Originally posted by: soapwatcher1

Dear Sowmya, very logically argued and for that 👏

I agree with you that the baby swapping is the worst thing that could have been done. I do feel badly for Ovi that she will never know the gender of the baby or how it looked. I do hope the CVs show that the baby was not just discarded, not because I want Onir to be portrayed as kind or having a heart but because I myself want closure to that event. All that said and done, and granting even that Ovi was accusing Arjun and Purvi not of an affair but of keeping the baby truth from her, she should have as Bee said gone to her husband first. In my post, I said she was justified in every question she asked of Onir, and he had no answer. But for her to go so far as to say Purvi was her friend is being a bit delusional. Right before the godh barai is when she made that comment to Arjun about Purvi being lucky and having it all. Which girl in her right mind would not have a prick of conscience before saying that? My theory is and I know you will not agree with me is that Ovi got softer with Purvi only after Purvi lost her baby, Ovi was unconsciously feeling that all was right with her world and that she could afford to be nice to Purvi because in Ovi's mind Purvi for the first time was not as fortunate as her.

As for Purvi and Onir, I will readily admit the baby switch was not kosher at all. I blame Onir more for this as he had the added responsibility of being the doctor of both girls.

As for Manav, no, I never expected him to love Purvi the way he loves Ovi or Teju, never said that and don't believe he can, he does not share 18 years with Purvi, she is a newcomer in his life and he has taken her on only because of kindness and obligation. That is not what I was referring to at all, I was talking about his filial responsibility not love which never prompted him to even call Purvi the day his daughter was celebrating her marriage. He was well aware of the deal, he was well aware that Arjun and Purvi were to be married that day but he did not spare a thought to Purvi arising not out of love but out of common human decency. That is what I was talking about. He is a good man but blinded by love for his daughter. If only he had been a little stricter, he may have been able to steer his daughter's life in the right direction and spared her some pain.

Originally posted by: sowmya_jairam

Jhanvi, she did expect the truth from her husband first. It was not just something to be interpreted, she clearly thought out loud to herself that she expected him to tell her the truth when he said he had something to confess, and she was distressed that he did not. Instead, he was acting as though nothing had happened at all. He betrayed her in not telling her the truth immediately as he knew it. She may not know when exactly he knew of the baby switch--if he was in on the secret from the beginning or had found out later. But he did know it before her, and she knows that he did. She heard him and purvi discussing it in the hotel. And that's when she knew he'll always betray her, by not confiding in her things that she should know, that she could not trust him to be truthful to her. Even earlier after she saw that purvi called him and he lied to her about it, she clearly told him that she trusted that he was not having an affair with purvi but she wanted to be told of anything concerning him. She was angry and upset at him for the right reasons, and she felt betrayed by him for the right reasons.

About her friendship with purvi. My perception of Ovi is that she doesn't go out of her way to mess with or has extreme emotions for people who well, she doesn't have extreme emotions for-either love or hate. What I mean is that she's not like purvi nor punni who go out of their way to mess people's lives, with good or evil intentions. She's an introvert, who's circle consists of her immediate family and arjun. She's friendly with punni, ruchi, sunny and all the other people she comes in contact with because she feels no risk of losing any of her family to them. Purvi was different--is different. Purvi had ovi's aai for all the years she missed her, even now her aai prefers purvi over her. Purvi also (according to her atleast) took away her best friend and love-arjun. She has abandonment issues, and because she has so very few people she loves and considers her own--she's possessive of them.

She couldn't be friendly with purvi, not until she understood that she couldn't be happy until she lets go of the past and enjoys what she has in the present. Onir helped her with that-- according to her, he was in the same position and she wanted to know how he could be so calm and happy about the situation. She tried to change then, that's when she started to try to be friendly with purvi. That was when she asked about the baby socks, then happily sharing the godbharai function, the talk with her before going to the temple, the scenes in the car and at the temple---these were all before the accident, before she thought that purvi was less fortunate than her like you said. Even purvi and the rest of the family was surprised at her attempts to be overtly friendly. She doesn't grudge purvi her happiness, nor was she jealous of onir's apparent love for her. Because she doesn't want onir's love. She's not out to get purvi simply because she's unhappy, she only takes her to task if she thinks her unhappiness is due to purvi. After the accident when she learnt purvi lost her baby, she genuinely wanted purvi to feel better. It was not because she was happy that she had something purvi didn't, rather because she was secure in her own happiness of holding her baby and she wanted to help lessen purvi's pain too. She understood, even after the breast feeding incident---neither did she make a scene out of it and after a while, she even let purvi come close to pari under her supervision. She will never be completely comfortable with purvi, as a sister or friend, she's just not the type. Especially after the baby swap. But she was genuinely trying to be friendly to her.

About manav, jhanvi, he thinks purvi has moved on from her past with onir. They seem to be happy, and if he tried to be cautious when there's no need to be it'll just be awkward. As a father, he cannot think that arjun or purvi are still having feelings for each other or regretting not being married. As a father to both Ovi and purvi. Especially when, everything seems to be right and everyone happy. As far as he knows, Ovi and arjun had moved on and had a baby; so did purvi with onir. Why then would be there be a hesitance in inviting them, son and daughter-in-law of the family, to celebrate ovi-and-arjun's wedding anniversary? Though he clearly loves ovi more, manav does support purvi. When Onir was jailed on the very serious charge of causing ovi's baby death and then switching pari with the dead baby, he never hesitated in believing him or purvi. Without even waiting to hear from them. He didn't believe ovi when she first told the truth at the party, he did after he saw irrefutable proof. He cannot be expected to react in any other way to the truth, whether or not purvi and onir had the right intentions, they had no right to do what they did. Again, of the wide range of reactions expected from a man in his shoes, it was on the milder side.

Originally posted by: sowmya_jairam

Jhanvi, she did expect the truth from her husband first. It was not just something to be interpreted, she clearly thought out loud to herself that she expected him to tell her the truth when he said he had something to confess, and she was distressed that he did not. Instead, he was acting as though nothing had happened at all. He betrayed her in not telling her the truth immediately as he knew it. She may not know when exactly he knew of the baby switch--if he was in on the secret from the beginning or had found out later. But he did know it before her, and she knows that he did. She heard him and purvi discussing it in the hotel. And that's when she knew he'll always betray her, by not confiding in her things that she should know, that she could not trust him to be truthful to her. Even earlier after she saw that purvi called him and he lied to her about it, she clearly told him that she trusted that he was not having an affair with purvi but she wanted to be told of anything concerning him. She was angry and upset at him for the right reasons, and she felt betrayed by him for the right reasons.

About her friendship with purvi. My perception of Ovi is that she doesn't go out of her way to mess with or has extreme emotions for people who well, she doesn't have extreme emotions for-either love or hate. What I mean is that she's not like purvi nor punni who go out of their way to mess people's lives, with good or evil intentions. She's an introvert, who's circle consists of her immediate family and arjun. She's friendly with punni, ruchi, sunny and all the other people she comes in contact with because she feels no risk of losing any of her family to them. Purvi was different--is different. Purvi had ovi's aai for all the years she missed her, even now her aai prefers purvi over her. Purvi also (according to her atleast) took away her best friend and love-arjun. She has abandonment issues, and because she has so very few people she loves and considers her own--she's possessive of them.

She couldn't be friendly with purvi, not until she understood that she couldn't be happy until she lets go of the past and enjoys what she has in the present. Onir helped her with that-- according to her, he was in the same position and she wanted to know how he could be so calm and happy about the situation. She tried to change then, that's when she started to try to be friendly with purvi. That was when she asked about the baby socks, then happily sharing the godbharai function, the talk with her before going to the temple, the scenes in the car and at the temple---these were all before the accident, before she thought that purvi was less fortunate than her like you said. Even purvi and the rest of the family was surprised at her attempts to be overtly friendly. She doesn't grudge purvi her happiness, nor was she jealous of onir's apparent love for her. Because she doesn't want onir's love. She's not out to get purvi simply because she's unhappy, she only takes her to task if she thinks her unhappiness is due to purvi. After the accident when she learnt purvi lost her baby, she genuinely wanted purvi to feel better. It was not because she was happy that she had something purvi didn't, rather because she was secure in her own happiness of holding her baby and she wanted to help lessen purvi's pain too. She understood, even after the breast feeding incident---neither did she make a scene out of it and after a while, she even let purvi come close to pari under her supervision. She will never be completely comfortable with purvi, as a sister or friend, she's just not the type. Especially after the baby swap. But she was genuinely trying to be friendly to her.

About manav, jhanvi, he thinks purvi has moved on from her past with onir. They seem to be happy, and if he tried to be cautious when there's no need to be it'll just be awkward. As a father, he cannot think that arjun or purvi are still having feelings for each other or regretting not being married. As a father to both Ovi and purvi. Especially when, everything seems to be right and everyone happy. As far as he knows, Ovi and arjun had moved on and had a baby; so did purvi with onir. Why then would be there be a hesitance in inviting them, son and daughter-in-law of the family, to celebrate ovi-and-arjun's wedding anniversary? Though he clearly loves ovi more, manav does support purvi. When Onir was jailed on the very serious charge of causing ovi's baby death and then switching pari with the dead baby, he never hesitated in believing him or purvi. Without even waiting to hear from them. He didn't believe ovi when she first told the truth at the party, he did after he saw irrefutable proof. He cannot be expected to react in any other way to the truth, whether or not purvi and onir had the right intentions, they had no right to do what they did. Again, of the wide range of reactions expected from a man in his shoes, it was on the milder side.