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GManda72

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Posted: 12 years ago

#41

Originally posted by: naava

Jhanvi..i see the long discussions following your post are very involved and i don't have time to read though them today. I just wanted to compliment you on your excellent post and analysis. I really agree with the whole post.

Just a quick comment on 3 points.
1) Your analysis of Manav was so well said Really Jhanvi, it doesn't matter that it was Purvi - a daughter of Archana's and sort of step daughter, step sister etc. Any father OR mother who watches their daughter marry someone who has declared he doesn't love her and never will, because he loves someone else and everyone knows it to be true, MUST step in and annul that marriage. And if they DON'T, they must accept theresponsibilityof everything that happens from that point forward. It's only going to end up as a disaster, and if you really did love your daughter you wouldn't allow that to happen to her. A young woman who wants to marry someone who loves another person is emotionally unstable and needs help before entering into marriage. It's not so complicated.

2) This idea of rushing to judgement on everything, without ASKING the other person for their side of the story really irritates me. You can't just assume guilt without knowing both sides. Could'nt anyone stop to ask Purvi? or Arjun? But...in PR land...hhh it's different.

3) The penchant Ovi has for public display of her life is part of the problem.. But i guess that's Ekta's penchant too. 😆

It looks like a lot of the discussion has to do with the baby, but that's not your point as far as i can see. I think everyone is in agreement that the baby switch should not have happened, it was wrong, etc Ovi needed to grieve etc. All true. No one has an argument with that. But you can't get to point Z without considering and dealing with points A-Y. It just doesn't work that way

Anyway congratulations for a well thought out and well spoken post.

My three points
1.is it possible for parents to annul their children's marriages?especially when their children are adults of sane minds? I don't think so. So how can Manav do that? Was he part of the DEAL?no.
2. How is Arjun a victim? Doesn't the ruthless businessman know how and when to say NO?
3. When Purvi can decide other people's lives for them even in their absence, why expect that she should be asked? After the video is there still anything left to be asked?
Frankly when Arjun had that martyred look on his face regarding bringing up Pari alone, it only made me laugh! It evoked no sympathy or empathy .

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pari87

@pari87

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Posted: 12 years ago

#42

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000
I have remarked long back splendidaura that Arjun is a chauvinist . His ideas of Pati ka Farz , forgetting first wedding anniversary , rubbing ex on wife's face and expecting her to understand and now expecting mentally stunned wife to look after his love child is nothing but crude chauvinism . Such chauvinists r controlled by women who can play the appropriate games in real life , they don't even know they r dancing like puppets but they raise their voices and hands on women who speak directly and are straightforward . When Purvi said will u do this if u love me , his chauvinism was challenged . What , she doubted his capacity to do the impossible ! Of course he could . See how well she knew how to manage him . Will be back if time permits with my views on whether a wife is bound to look after her husband's love child .

Kools, I have tried immensely to make sense of Arjun's actions honestly. I absolutely understand Ovi, I understand people's logic of Purvi's intentions, but I cannot fathom any explanation for this pathetic excuse of man...I agree with your above post completely...He is a chauvinist expecting his wife to take all his nonsense, while he acts like a puppy to another woman salivating after her...

I also saw that SBS link they put up and his scene with Ovi was cringeworthy..Even Mittal treats Punni better than that...He wanted Ovi to play nanny to his pyaar ki nishani while not uttering a single word of sorry or repentance and saying he wants her, needs this marriage with her...only repeating how she can LEAVE when pari grows up...I had no words after seeing that...

Onir is henpecked, hears Purvi out like a puppy too and does her jaap all day...But it is better than this disgusting husband who treats his wife like some unpaid nanny to do his bidding all day...He has walked all over with heels on Ovi and still THINKS EXPECTS that as his WIFE she should simply think about PARI who is not even HER daughter...

I hope they kill off Arjun's character, because while Purvi still keeps the show interesting with her new plans for bhalai, Arjun is a na-mard who has no spine, no guts and absolutely no humanity or shame in him...He is a good for nothing individual and it is better that he goes offt his show and my screen. Ovi should call Social services on him for treating her so inhumanely..

DK , less said the better. They should do away with him too. PAthetic excuses of men.

P.S - using my right to wish death upon a character...and DK is the name of the man, Digvijay Kirloskar and not an acronym for anyone who cannot understand)

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sashashyam

@sashashyam

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Posted: 12 years ago

#43

Vasu, you are spot on with the shaan pona enna, muzham pona enna. This kind of twist in Purvi's character, of a married woman getting close to her former lover when her own husband is in jail because of her, will not go down at all well with the Indian audience, which is the one that decides the TRPs and thus the advt. rates.

Those in the forum desperately pleading for an ArVi reunion may delude themselves that their voices count with Ekta Kapoor, but as most of them are NRIs living outside India, they count for nothing wrt the TRPS. It is the bored Indian housewives in the small and medium towns that are the target audience for PR, and they might like a love story, but not at the expense of marriage with a very good husband. They will nix it in no uncertain terms,. and Ekta will not risk it, I think But of course I am not sure.

Moreover, as of today, Arjun was trying very hard to woo Ovi and get her back. He was doing a fair job of it, and she appeared to be softening when he said they could go back to Canada if she liked, though there too, he made the mistake of saying first that Pari needed her before adding that he needed her. But unfortunately for Arjun, at that point, the baby began to cry loudly, the spell was broken, and Ovi was reminded of all her grievances vis a vis Purvi and thus, at one remove, vis a vis Pari. Then came the lines in the precap of yesterday.

Arjun thus has no intention fo trying to get close to Purvi as of now, and then of course there is Onir, He will be hauled off to jail tomorrow, then Arjun will bail him out and get him a good lawyer (NOT Sachin!), and thenI expect that they will get him out on the plea that the affected parties are not filing any complaint,. All this while, Purvi will be living at Varsha's, so I do not know where Arjun can come and hang around her. If Soham caught sight of him there, he would thrash him soundly.

So I have some hope that these ugly prognostications will end up as just a rumour. I do not like Purvi at all these days, but I do not want her character to be trashed like that. I hung in there till the bitter end asserting that she would never had a pre-marital fling with Arjun, and then I fell flat on my face. I hope that history is not repeated now.

Shyamala Aunty.

Originally posted by: archis_2013
Shyamala Aunty & Jhanvi, Sorry to butt in (you see, I had to butt in somewhere and it is much safer to do it in between you both. I don't have the guts to do it with any other fan group - be it arvi's or ovi's. Different ends of the spectrum !!).

I too agree and have said that it would not be possible for Ovi (or majority of us) to accept Pari in her life. But she should not ignore her till there is a possible solution for Pari. Be it Purvi or someone in Deshmukh family.. Ovi must still be breast feeding Pari till the party evening. Poor Pari is all I can say ..

I too would feel horrified on Purvi leaving Onir and start thinking of Arjun at this juncture. If she does not romance Onir, I would understand as her heart is not ready yet but she cannot be seen not fighting for him and see him out of jail safely.

I am sure Purvi would feel morally responsible for Onir till atleast he is safe (through the so called 'twists and turns'). If not, this will be the complete character assassination of Purvi. Looks like CVs are pulling at their last straws to keep the head above the water. But as they say " Thalaikku mela vellam ponnal, jaan enna, muzham enna". Atleast it will cure me of my 'pavitra' malice and goodbye to my first soap ever.

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sashashyam

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Posted: 12 years ago

#44

Well, Kools, I hope you will agree with my post above to Jahnvi, with an emphatic NO as my answer to that question.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000
I have remarked long back splendidaura that Arjun is a chauvinist . His ideas of Pati ka Farz , forgetting first wedding anniversary , rubbing ex on wife's face and expecting her to understand and now expecting mentally stunned wife to look after his love child is nothing but crude chauvinism . Such chauvinists r controlled by women who can play the appropriate games in real life , they don't even know they r dancing like puppets but they raise their voices and hands on women who speak directly and are straightforward . When Purvi said will u do this if u love me , his chauvinism was challenged . What , she doubted his capacity to do the impossible ! Of course he could . See how well she knew how to manage him . Will be back if time permits with my views on whether a wife is bound to look after her husband's love child .

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sashashyam

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Posted: 12 years ago

#45

No, Pari, to be fair to him, in today's telecast, he does NOT say that Ovi could leave after Pari grows up, I do not know how or why anything to that effect was there in the SBS, which I do not watch. For how the scene played out, please see my post to Vasu above.

A propos your death wish for Arjun, see how useful it was that I winkled that clarification out of the Mods!😉

Shyamala Aunty

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koolsadhu1000

@koolsadhu1000

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Posted: 12 years ago

#46

No woman should be expected to look after her husband's love child especially when she has been royally tricked and her own baby's death was kept from her . This chauvinistic expectation is ABUSE and telling the woman that she is inhuman coz the baby has no fault in the whole mess is clever manipulative word play by the MCP man who

expects the woman , his wife , to swallow his affair

expects the wife to be a free nanny to his love child while he can focus on work and perhaps carry on with his mistress .

This is USING the wife . No remorse for a mistake , no guilt but expectations galore from the woman is extreme brutal chauvinism and taking the woman , in this case the wife , for granted and depriving her of the right to say NO . Of course she has a fully justified right to wash her hands off the whole mess her husband created . The right to say NO is not only there in sex ...if violated it is construed as rape , but even here . If the wife is emotionally forced by shouting or raising his hand on her to take care of his mistress's baby she can file a police complaint against such brutal chauvinism .

In this case , the wife did not know her own baby was dead . This knowledge was witheld from her . She did not get to hold him for even a last farewell . Then another woman's baby was stealthily kept near her . The intentions , if good or bad for this stealthy act can be contested and debated in court . Its not just Onir who is the criminal , the video implicates both as the baby stealthily kept was Purvi's and Purvi master minded this act and broke the rights of a common citizen .

Purvi HAS to be arrested and if Arjun is shouting at Ovi and putting any pressure on her for looking after his baby he needs to be arrested for domestic abuse too .

He dismissed off the dead baby as OVI'S BABY . Actually it was also his baby but he called it as OVI'S BABY .Well this is HIS baby . HIS baby and his ex's baby . Either he should take care of it or the ex who is flirting with her new husband , has washed her hands of all responsibility and is roaming around justifying her kaands . One must simply hear the fantabulous explanations she gives ...Ovi's bhalaai , parivaar's bhalaai , tyaag etc .

There is no question of the baby being innocent so the adult must understand etc and the adult being conveniently the wife . It is simply the way it is . It is the way a court would decide. It would ask Arjun Purvi to take care of their child by some settlement .

Arjun should take care of HIS baby and visit Purvi and make her take responsibility for HER share . A baby is a huge responsibility and why should the wife be saddled with the husband's love child while the mother goes scot free is beyond me .

Arjn should do this as it is PROTOCOL not with a martyred look on his chauvinistic face that says so what if Ovi is refusing to be her mother I am there na ...no boss , u MUST .

In Masoom , Shabana was fully justified in feeling what she felt . The love child reminds a tricked woman constantly of the physical and emotional intimacy of her husband and the other woman ...it is like a knife twisting in the wound over and over again . This can lead to depression . Shabana did not face what Ovi did ...she only learnt of her husband's infidelity . Yet she was justified . Here Ovi has lost her own baby and was not even told about it ...and tricked into believing someone else's baby was her own .

So ...if the woman still bonds with the love child , well and good and real goodness on the woman's part . But bonding with the love child as an expected protocol by citing the baby's innocence ...oh boy no .

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pari87

@pari87

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Posted: 12 years ago

#47

Originally posted by: sashashyam
No, Pari, to be fair to him, in today's telecast, he does NOT say that Ovi could leave after Pari grows up, I do not know how or why anything to that effect was there in the SBS, which I do not watch. For how the scene played out, please see my post to Vasu above.

A propos your death wish for Arjun, see how useful it was that I winkled that clarification out of the Mods!😉

Shyamala Aunty

Dear Shyamala aunty,

I have long held up hopes from Arjun to finally step up, to something. Even if it is leaving his wife and having a spine for his own wants or stepping up to wife and making his marriage work with every possible try. But this guys prefers to be na ghar ka na ghat ka. If Onir is henpecked, he is also very much a support for his mishti. But Arjun is henpecked for purvi, yet cannot stand up for her, and is legally wedded to Ovi, but yet cannot work his marriage like a man nor leave her.

My thoughts on him being a chauvinist stem from his absolute ignorance of Ovi's pain. Especialyl after seeing childhood clips, one would see they both have grown up together, yet he spared not a thought for this girl, not when he left her to die alone while romancing with purvi and not now when she is mourning THEIR dead child all by herself. he shows no respect, and no understanding of her situation. I get that he may not love her, I get that he may not care for HER, but as a father to a baby that THEY both have lost, one can expect some humanity towards this broken wife? He can walk out on her if he may, and never look back and take his child with him, but his insolence in wanting not the MARRIAGE but the nanny to his child with PURVI is what is chauvinistic. This was shown in an SBS segment of a future episode when OVi is leaving the house. He tells her in clear terms without repenting his own faults, he says " Tumehin jahaan jaana hai wahaan chali jaana ek baar pari badi ho jaye tab, pari mere liye bahut important hai, woh kitni choti hai, main iska khaayal kaise rakhoonga akela". This is absolutely disgusting in my head for him to say so insensitively. Badi ho jaaye tab? He is asking her to be unpaid nanny only until Pari grows up and then this nanny can get lost?

Naseeruddin had never disrespected his wife while trying to love his son and make him part of his family. He gave his wife ample space to deal with it and did not utter a word of "force" on her. He acknowledged his mistake and looked repentant. Arjun's random tears here and there seem more like from the heartbreak of never having purvi and less to do with Ovi and his dead child. Pari Pari PAri, he goes on, whilst not even holding his wife for a minute and remembering their dead child that they had procreated and built dreams for. Not a minute. and not a word about that child. Why should Ovi listen to him when all he cares about is Purvi's baby. Ovi definitely has no responsibility towards this child and much less when Arjun behaves like such a jerk.

Naseeruddin Shah loved his daughters as much as he loved his son. That made things easier. Shabana had her own children too. And the ex was dead, like you mentioned in a post earlier. Ovi's situation is so much different and this is why Arjun is expected to show his humanity if not respect towards a wife who has given your marriage all she could, and made a baby with you, carried it for 9 months and has now lost it. it is traumatic and if he cannot share her pain, he should walk out with Pari and take her to Purvi. There is no need for his tears for Pari to be showcased in front of Ovi whilst asking her to nanny his pyaar ki nishaani. Very insensitive as a "father" and husband,

As for the death of the characters, I never thought I would wish this for Arjun who was a favorite a long time ago ( it seems like) but his SBS segment made me really hope for it. I am very against men who treat their wives like this and especially fathers who cannot spare a thought for a dead child they created of their own will. It really does not go well with how I expect men, husbands and athers to be like and it is only sadness that one of my earlier favorite characters has become thus that prompted me to use my right to wish death on a character :P I agreed with your post to that topic and saw that none could answer logically to your questions at all :)

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pari87

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Posted: 12 years ago

#48

Shyamala Aunty,

Read your post to Vasu! While my stance on Arjun has changed totally by the SBS segment, I still hope that they do not do further damage by this new track of Arjun-purvi getting closer while Onir is in jail. That will simply degrade them to a point of no return. One whose wife has left him is romancing with saali and saali whose husband has gone to jail for agreeing to her whims, is romancing jeejaji. This will not bode well as you said with a TRP audience. But who knows, carrots can be left dangling as CV's do not seem to have much logic in their hard-wired brains themselves.

I had hopes from this new track hoping CV;s could take all 4 characters and mould them into new people all together...and it would be interesting to see how it all collides and combines...But clearly that SBS segment makes me see no hope for Arjun, as of now. Purvi-Onir I will watch out for, but Arjun has just taken a sharp fall into eternity of shamelessness in my eyes :(

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rayadallie

@rayadallie

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Posted: 12 years ago

#49

Excellent post Jhanvi. You are very good with your analysis as always and have me hooked to them.

It makes no sense adding or subtracting from your topic and all the other discussions that are happening here. It has been a very long time since I have gone through a thread and read objective discussions by members . There is always some misunderstandings and emotions getting in the way.

Nevertheless. congrats to all of you for a well discussed topic. I enjoyed reading both sides of the story.👍🏼

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sashashyam

@sashashyam

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Posted: 12 years ago

#50

No, Pari dear, while I agree with your post, I do not trust the SBS segment you have watched,which probably showed some alternative track that they have discarded now.

See today's telecast and you will understand what I am saying. They showed Arjun convinced that Ovi would never accept Pari, and getting set to raise her by himself. Where then would the lines they have shown you fit in?

Secondly, if Ovi were to leave her home, that would be the D house, whereas Arjun has taken Pari to the Kirloskar mansion. The Ds are very hostile to him, even Teju, and if he came back and tried any such stunt with Ovi, Manav would thrash him black and blue. It just does not make any sense.

I do not think Arjun will deviate from the track they showed today, the details of which I have summarised on Waneeka's thread.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: pari87
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Dear Shyamala aunty,

I have long held up hopes from Arjun to finally step up, to something. Even if it is leaving his wife and having a spine for his own wants or stepping up to wife and making his marriage work with every possible try. But this guys prefers to be na ghar ka na ghat ka. If Onir is henpecked, he is also very much a support for his mishti. But Arjun is henpecked for purvi, yet cannot stand up for her, and is legally wedded to Ovi, but yet cannot work his marriage like a man nor leave her.

My thoughts on him being a chauvinist stem from his absolute ignorance of Ovi's pain. Especialyl after seeing childhood clips, one would see they both have grown up together, yet he spared not a thought for this girl, not when he left her to die alone while romancing with purvi and not now when she is mourning THEIR dead child all by herself. he shows no respect, and no understanding of her situation. I get that he may not love her, I get that he may not care for HER, but as a father to a baby that THEY both have lost, one can expect some humanity towards this broken wife? He can walk out on her if he may, and never look back and take his child with him, but his insolence in wanting not the MARRIAGE but the nanny to his child with PURVI is what is chauvinistic. This was shown in an SBS segment of a future episode when OVi is leaving the house. He tells her in clear terms without repenting his own faults, he says " Tumehin jahaan jaana hai wahaan chali jaana ek baar pari badi ho jaye tab, pari mere liye bahut important hai, woh kitni choti hai, main iska khaayal kaise rakhoonga akela". This is absolutely disgusting in my head for him to say so insensitively. Badi ho jaaye tab? He is asking her to be unpaid nanny only until Pari grows up and then this nanny can get lost?

Naseeruddin had never disrespected his wife while trying to love his son and make him part of his family. He gave his wife ample space to deal with it and did not utter a word of "force" on her. He acknowledged his mistake and looked repentant. Arjun's random tears here and there seem more like from the heartbreak of never having purvi and less to do with Ovi and his dead child. Pari Pari PAri, he goes on, whilst not even holding his wife for a minute and remembering their dead child that they had procreated and built dreams for. Not a minute. and not a word about that child. Why should Ovi listen to him when all he cares about is Purvi's baby. Ovi definitely has no responsibility towards this child and much less when Arjun behaves like such a jerk.

Naseeruddin Shah loved his daughters as much as he loved his son. That made things easier. Shabana had her own children too. And the ex was dead, like you mentioned in a post earlier. Ovi's situation is so much different and this is why Arjun is expected to show his humanity if not respect towards a wife who has given your marriage all she could, and made a baby with you, carried it for 9 months and has now lost it. it is traumatic and if he cannot share her pain, he should walk out with Pari and take her to Purvi. There is no need for his tears for Pari to be showcased in front of Ovi whilst asking her to nanny his pyaar ki nishaani. Very insensitive as a "father" and husband,

As for the death of the characters, I never thought I would wish this for Arjun who was a favorite a long time ago ( it seems like) but his SBS segment made me really hope for it. I am very against men who treat their wives like this and especially fathers who cannot spare a thought for a dead child they created of their own will. It really does not go well with how I expect men, husbands and athers to be like and it is only sadness that one of my earlier favorite characters has become thus that prompted me to use my right to wish death on a character :P I agreed with your post to that topic and saw that none could answer logically to your questions at all :)

QUOTE=sashashyam]No, Pari, to be fair to him, in today's telecast, he does NOT say that Ovi could leave after Pari grows up, I do not know how or why anything to that effect was there in the SBS, which I do not watch. For how the scene played out, please see my post to Vasu above.

A propos your death wish for Arjun, see how useful it was that I winkled that clarification out of the Mods!😉

Shyamala Aunty

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