PR Yesterday: Purvi's delusions

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Folks, let us discuss the conundrum posed by the scene yesterday between Purvi and Archana, and do it dispassionately, setting aside our justified exasperation at Purvi's strange comments about Vishnu. Let us forget all this fooling around about Arjun's ma and his mausis in the forum and their counterparts on Purvi's side, and analyse the matter solely in the light of the facts of the case, and the text of Purvi's statements.

What exactly does she say to Archana, who sits her down at the table and assures her that she has nothing to fear as they were all there for her? Arjun also tells both of them, before he takes his leave, that the police had their eyes on Vishnu, and they would not allow anything to happen to any of them.

Purvi's words: Purvi begins by saying that he (Vishnu) was a strange man, frightening in a way, but still very odd. She then recounts the slapping incident, with the comment that Vishnu has fought with the others for her sake.

Interestingly enough, in the flashback they showed then, after the slap, the whole of Vishnu saying that there was no need to hit her as her father was ready to pay the 3 crores, and that if Manav had not been ready to do so, he imself would have said that they should put a bullet thru her head, has been edited out. All that is left are Vishnu's closing words, that it is his responsibility and they should leave it to him. So, for a viewer who had not seen the original scene, the impression given would be the same as what Purvi says, that Vishnu fell out with the others and protected her from further slaps. But the truth is completely different, and Purvi KNOWS it. Why then is she shown as having this kind of selective memory?

Vishnu the protector: Next, she says that Vishnu assured her that she would come to no harm, and they show the scene where she is trying to open the locked door with the key he gives her, while he says that he is a follower of ahimsa (!!!) and so would not do anything (to her), but his comrades were kameeney and he could not be responsible for what they would do her if she escaped.

Now, this is a kind of subtle terrorization, like a cat playing with a mouse, for HOW would the other three, who were all fast asleep, know about her escape soon enough to catch her and wreak unholy vengeance on her unless Vishnu woke them up and told them what had happened? He never has the slightest intention of letting her escape and any girl with an ounce of brains would have understood that at once. Purvi not only seems to have taken him at face value, but given him brownie points for that.

Next, she says that he made her eat, in effect praising him for caring about her. When they show the clip for that, they again leave out his accompanying comments that if she looked wan and as if she had been ill-treated, Manav Deshmukh would not pay the 3 crores. He says that twice, once about the food, that he eats himself and praises with lip-smacking relish, and again about the tea in the morning. Purvi was there, and she heard all that. Why then is she now shown as if she had forgotten these key remarks?

Finally, she says that after he told her that she would not be harmed, she felt "safe'" in her captivity. Fair enough. Then why did she look half mad with fear when Arjun appeared at the door of the van in which she was being held while Vishnu was engaging in a game of one upmanship with Manav outside? She was literally gibbering in panic when Arjun took off the plaster on her mouth. Her behaviour then is not consistent with what she NOW says.

Purvi is deeply moved that he did not do anything to her , or let the others do anything , this being an euphemism for criminal assault on her modesty, to use my old fashioned terminology, or a brutal beating, or both. She refuses to buy Archana's entirely logical argument that he did not do anything because he wanted to get the ransom money with no problems, though, as noted above, Vishnu's OWN comments to her bear this out completely.

Achchi Mayee ka achcha bachcha: She then goes on and on about his assertion (at the meeting at the foot of the temple steps) that he would never break his kasam to his mother, after which, she states, she no longer felt afraid of him. It is another matter that she continue d to look as scared as at the beginning of that scene, and was trying to drag Arjun away.

She couples the maa ki kasam ka kissa with what she had heard Vishnu say to Krishna while she was being held in the van with her mouth taped (when Vishnu, in one of his typically sadistic fits of humour, asks her to smile for a photo he takes of her on his moblile, to show Manav, knowing full well that she cannot smile as her mouth is taped shut). He had then not taken Varsha's call, saying that she would scold him for an hour about his dhanda, which she had never liked. From this Purvi apparently concludes that his mayee is a good woman.

From a good mayee to a good beta being but a step, Purvi's conclusion from all this is that Vishnu is an "achcha bachcha" who listens to his aai, and thus that he is "one of us".

The Stockholm Syndrome: Archana's somewhat incoherent speech, accusing Vishnu's mother of having failed to instill the proper sanskaars in him when he was young, falls on deaf ears. Purvi, brushing Archana's words aside with the comment that she does not know what kind of upbringing his mother had given him, ends with the breathtaking statement that regardless of that, there are, in Vishnu, the kind of sanskaars that keep from doing anything galat (wrong).

One does not know what her definition of galat includes, but obviously it does not include:

1) Kidnapping her, or Ovi, as he had originally tried to do, or her Manav baba, as he had originally intended;

2) Asking for 3 crores ransom, and holding first her and then Manav at gunpoint to get it even after the police have him covered with their guns;

3) Shooting Arjun twice, the second just for kicks, when he had NO chance of escaping.

All of this just because she has gathered, from what he said, that he is very close to his mother and that he listens to her. She does not bother her pretty head about how many other unfortunates this achcha bachcha might have kidnapped earlier, or what such a trigger happy character might have done to them if things had gone wrong. She has nothing to say about such activities being criminal, not just galat.

Of course, as she is talking to Archana, Purvi does not know anything about Vishnu having stood outside their house when her saakarpuda was getting under way, swearing that he would make first Purvi and then Arjun rue the day they had deprived him of those 3 crores. But going by the above, one cannot but conclude that if she had known it, she would probably have been even more impressed at his having abandoned his plans and his desire for revenge on her and Arjun just to obey his mother.

She does not know why she is thinking and feeling like this, she says at the end, but what she had felt (about the hidden sanskaars in Vishnu keeping him from doing any galat thing) was so strange that she had NOT said anything to Arjun about it.

Archana, who has just finished pontificating about it always being the mother's fault if the children go wrong (a ridiculous statement that can be disproved a million times over), does not think it necessary to drill some sense into Purvi's head after listening to these ramblings, more is the pity.

Any reasonably competent psychiatrist would have instantly diagnosed Purvi's views on Vishnu as a case of the Stockholm Syndrome, which makes victims of kidnapping develop an empathy for their kidnappers and sometimes fall in love with them.

Conclusions: What should we, the viewers and well wishers of Arjun-Purvi, make of all this? Well, all these convoluted and bizarre goings on seem, to me, to be a rather disturbing development. It is clear that the CVs are planning to do a Valmiki on Vishnu and metamorphosise him into an achcha bachcha as fast as they can. They have made a beginning by bringing the maa ka pujari image of Vishnu up front and centre, but this is obviously not enough, given that Varsha comes in very low in the PR popularity stakes.

So now they are fashioning Purvi into Vishnu's advocate, the victim sympathizing and empathizing with her kidnapper. We are supposed to feel that if his victim herself feels that there is hidden good in him, sanskaars that keep from doing galat deeds, that he deserves credit for obeying his mother "like one of us", he cannot be all bad, can he?

What if he has earned crores for Balan from the terrified parents and relatives of the unfortunates he has kidnapped in the past, and what if Manav had to risk his life and pledge a chunk of his fortune to save herself, the girl who was his latest trophy? After all, he did not starve her, did he, or assault her or let her be assaulted? He was a misled youth, that is all, and if the Indian Penal Code has to be junked to get him a pardon and back into his real parivaar, why not?

This bending and distorting of the character of the hitherto staunchly independent and intensely moral Purvi to suit this "twist' in the tale is going to do her a lot of harm. It has done so already, and worse might be in store if she begins to act on these new convictions of hers and try to get Vishnu off one way or the other.

What of Arjun? Purvi's keeping her feelings about Vishnu from him is not just wrong, it is stupid. Arjun HATES Vishnu with a vengeance. He can hardly be expected, when he learns, as he will, about all this, to take kindly to Purvi going soft on the villain of the piece.

It has also to be kept in mind that Purvi does not know that Vishnu is Soham. Indeed it is likely that she does not even know of Soham's existence. So there is no alibi of an instinctive fraternal affection that she can offer to explain her behavior. What then might Arjun conclude from her trying to help Vishnu in the days ahead? He loves her deeply and blindly, but love is based on trust, and if this trust fails, so can love, no matter how deep it is, or perhaps precisely because it was so deep.

Parallels with PR I: This brings me to the constant parallels between PR I and PR II. These are too many to be listed out here, and in any case, you all know them by heart. Some time ago, I had written that there was no possibility of creating a conflict between Arjun and Purvi. Perhaps I was wrong about that; I often am in second guessing the CVs.

I would remind you of the chawl demolition issue, which was the real cause for the Manav-Archana relationship, time-tested and of so many years standing, hitting the rocks. The loss of Soham was only the final nail in the coffin, it was not the sole or the major cause of the break. Archana had then let Manav down, just when he needed her the most, for the sake of the chawl residents, who had framed him in a false chawl demolition case. (For a detailed run down of that disaster, please see my post in the When did Archana support Manav? thread).

Now Purvi might be letting Arjun down by supporting the man who had put his life and that of Manav in danger. How then might Arjun react?

The above might seem farfetched, and I naturally do not know if this dismal prediction will come true. In fact I devoutly hope it does not. But the way in which Purvi's character is being bent out of shape does not augur well for the future. In any case, I never believed that Arjun and Purvi would get married so easily in just 10 days. Then where would PR go? If their marriage is to be stymied, the rumour that Vishnu would be the cause of that happening might come true, but not in the way that we would have imagined it. If the plot develops as surmised above, this might well be the CVs' idea of a 'surprise' twist!

Shyamala B.Cowsik

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Shyamala, very well said, 👏👏👏agree with all of your points...especially how conveniently the flashback of Vishnu scenes were edited...thank U for explaining the Stockholm syndrome which i was not sure about when Jyothi had used it in her post...What are the CVs doing to Purvi's characterization...the strong, brave, feminist we knew...all in the name of separating ARVI and the Valmikization of Vishnu to Soham...

What I disliked the MOST was Purvi telling her Aaie ajeeb baat hai, isliye meine Arjun se bhi nahi share kari !! 😡What after her Manav Baba, Purvi is indulging in this idolism for Vishnu, a kidnapper, and not sharing this with Arjun, 🤢yuck,what are they taking ARVI the Arman way😕, not sharing, not discussing, not expressing such things! 😲
Maybe Arjun should remind Purvi vo Bhagvaan nahi hai, just because Vishnu did not harm her, gave her food, at temple said Mayee ki kasam Madamji ko kuch nahi karoonga, she is all softie for him 😡 And felt safe there at the kidnapping godown, what rubbish!!! MAYBE, just maybe its a case of hind sight is 20-20, so now in the SAFETY and COMFORT of her own home, with the POLICE well aware of the situation, its easy for Purvi to say she felt safe...and DISTINCTLY different from how she portrayed her emotions at the godown where she was kept in custody. Shyamala, you make a very good point about Vishnu handing the key to Purvi...had not even thought of that angle...your keen observation and the interpretation of the nuances of the scene is excellently done!👏⭐️
Alas, how will Arjun even drill some sense into Purvi when her own Aaie's logical and well put arguments went in from one ear and out the other'...after all in order for Arjun to actually do something about it, must he not know about what is going on in Ms. Purvi's mind' and the change of heart she has been going through for her kidnapper...
Am so mad at Purvi! Even after Archana tried to explain to her, gosh, I see misunderstandings coming Arjun Purvi's way..you are right Shyamala, this is the nasty twist the CVs are throwing at us ARVI fans...
All this being rushed too...why couldn't they show Arjun Purvi talking about the kidnapping, how Purvi felt, how now that she is safe, an intelligent conversation between Arjun Purvi...more communication not less...
BTW on the marriage, it seemed to me from yesterday's episode, i think it was Sulochana, that in the next 10 days the marriage date will be fixed (so its not been fixed yet? 😕- contradicts what Arjun said at the temple to Purvi)...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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It is not easy to be dispassionate about Purvi's reaction today and try to think impartially. But, will give it a try..😊
Purvi's action to Vishnu catches us off guard, as it is in direct contrast to her character. If this was Archana or anyone else, who are very emotionally swayed, it would make some sense, even though far fetched. Every sentence that Purvi says is in so contrary to what she has experienced and felt even a few minutes before at the temple steps. If she was suffering from Stockholm Syndrome, that I was wary of initially, she would not have reacted that way at the temple steps. But this sudden shift in her reactions, so soon after she comes home from the direct confrontation with Vishnu is what is puzzling. Just because he said that she is safe from him, because of his Maayi's kasam, she starts to feel secure again and then goes back in retrospective and thinks kindly of him. That does not explain it at all. Why does she not see the violence in him when he even assured arjun that he could have put a bullet through his chest? That puzzles me more.
If she is to be used to tranform Vishnu into Soham, it does not bode well for Arjun Purvi relationship at all. If that is how it is going to be, I am presuming that she will not testify finally against him in the court or whenver it matters. Arjun will NOT be ok with it. He is furious with Vishnu not for the fact that he shot him, it is more so that he dared to harm Purvi with the kidnap. He will never be able to forget the anguish, anxiety and worry that he had to go through during that time. If Purvi insists on going this route, that will definitely be the reason of separation for them. Arjun will not, rightly so, be able to forgive her for this. He will see it as a betrayal to some extent. Mutual trust and communication has been the basis of their relationship so far. This single act of hers will shock Arjun to the core for sure. Her not sharing her feelings and apprehension does not bode well.This is what scares me and worries me the most.
I do hope, sincerely, that they will not go this route. This would shake the very foundation of their relationship. For that, would be much worse than anything.
I am pinning my hopes on Punni tai for the separation, for there is always a hope for revival there..😊
As far as parallels with PR-1, I am not so concerned about it, as for me, a separation is a separation, doesn't matter how similar it is to anything. I just sincerely hope again, that they do not butcher the relationship to such an extent as shaking the foundation in itself that any kind of reunion later will not be as convincing.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: jdronamraju

It is not easy to be dispassionate about Purvi's reaction today and try to think impartially. But, will give it a try..😊

Purvi's action to Vishnu catches us off guard, as it is in direct contrast to her character. If this ... Just because he said that she is safe from him, because of his Maayi's kasam, she starts to feel secure again and then goes back in retrospective and thinks kindly of him. That does not explain it at all. Why does she not see the violence in him when he even assured Arjun that he could have put a bullet through his chest? That puzzles me more.
If she is to be used to tranform Vishnu into Soham, it does not bode well for Arjun Purvi relationship at all. If that is how it is going to be, I am presuming that she will not testify finally against him in the court or whenver it matters. Arjun will NOT be ok with it. He is furious with Vishnu not for the fact that he shot him, it is more so that he dared to harm Purvi with the kidnap. He will never be able to forget the anguish, anxiety and worry that he had to go through during that time. If Purvi insists on going this route, that will definitely be the reason of separation for them. Arjun will not, rightly so, be able to forgive her for this. He will see it as a betrayal to some extent. Mutual trust and communication has been the basis of their relationship so far. This single act of hers will shock Arjun to the core for sure. Her not sharing her feelings and apprehension does not bode well.This is what scares me and worries me the most.
I do hope, sincerely, that they will not go this route. This would shake the very foundation of their relationship. For that, would be much worse than anything.
I am pinning my hopes on Punni tai for the separation, for there is always a hope for revival there..😊
As far as parallels with PR-1, I am not so concerned about it, as for me, a separation is a separation, doesn't matter how similar it is to anything. I just sincerely hope again, that they do not butcher the relationship to such an extent as shaking the foundation in itself that any kind of reunion later will not be as convincing.

Really Jyothi, loved all that you wrote, especially in RED...they are really taking the love and communication and the trust and understanding out of this relationship...and as you rightly said, yeh baat to is ARVI pavitra rishte ki neev (foundation) ko hila kar rakh degi
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Shyamala & Jyothi.. very good post..
Purvi & Archana's conversation made me question Purvi's love for Arjun. Binshnu guy shot Arjun twice and Purvi talks about Bishnu's non-violence dialog..yes, Initially the way he handled Purvi was not violent..even I got carried away by that.. but when he shot Arjun twice, I lost all that good feel. I hope Purvi doesnt fall for Bishnu, don't know whether Arjun can handle that.
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Dear Abhi, Jyothi and Vilasini,

I can understand how much my analysis has disturbed all of you. I was very puzzled and not a little dismayed by the scene, which I saw only this afternoon, along with the rest of the episode, and I wanted to sound you folks out on my conclusions.

I myself do not really understand it, but it could NOT be a casual insertion - it is too detailed and to categoric for that, and too much at odds with what one would expect from Purvi. It HAS to be there for a purpose, and I cannot think of any purpose other than the one I have outlined.

I would be glad to know if any of you can think of any other plausible explanation .

Jyothi, the PR-I parallels point is important simply because there have been so many such parallels - the garage mechanic job and the dahi handi being only 2 of them. I felt, rather uneasily, that perhaps the major clash of viewpoints track was also going to be repeated, and after Purvi's behaviour yesterday, it did not seem impossible to envisage an Arjun-Purvi clash over Vishnu.

The mistake the CVs made- and this also answers your tongue in cheek question on another thread, Laurie, about how many days it would take to make a Valmiki of Vishnu - was in not showing the Rahim Khan kidnapping as Vishnu's first 'job' for Balan baba. That would have made if much easier to rehablitate him, and to pass off his current misdeeds as those of a hotheaded boy who had been misled and could be redeemed with love and compassion.

The problem now is that Vishnu is no fledgling in crime, but a seasoned pro, who has pulled off any number of successful and very profitable kidnappings in the past and has a reputation in those circles that he cherishes. He revels in his expertise, whether as a sarkar of the gang or as a crack shot, and has absolutely NO notion that his dhanda, which he knows is criminal, is anything to be ashamed about. He thinks like a gangster, and the only soft element in his makeup is his love for his mother. But I suppose that a serial killer too can love his mother.

So now the CVs are being, I suspect, forced to adopt drastic measures, and getting Purvi to empathise with Vishnu just might be one of them. I do not know, and truth to tell, I am getting irritated and fed up of all this. I agree, Jyothi and Abhi, that this kind of falling out will not be a lovers' quarrel that can be easily patched up. It will leave scars.

Vilasini, it is not that Purvi does not love Arjun, But she seems to be taking it all very casually, as if it was a hide and seek game post facto, with the 20/20 vision of hindsight, as Abhi puts it. You are right, Jyothi, it is this disregard of the hell he went thru when she was kidnapped that will really alienate Arjun. Moreover, he HATES Vishnu, and the slightest hint of Purvi being soft on Vishnu will enrage him.

There is going to be no marriage in 10 days or 2 weeks, that is for sure. All this, as also the ridiculous Punni angle, seem to be a build-up for that.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: vgiri

Shyamala & Jyothi.. very good post..
Purvi & Archana's conversation made me question Purvi's love for Arjun. Binshnu guy shot Arjun twice and Purvi talks about Bishnu's non-violence dialog..yes, Initially the way he handled Purvi was not violent..even I got carried away by that.. but when he shot Arjun twice, I lost all that good feel. I hope Purvi doesnt fall for Bishnu, don't know whether Arjun can handle that.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Perhaps she is suffering from post traumatic stress or stockholm's syndrome...either are possible- however as this is an indian telly I think we are supposed to believe that Purvi just has selective amnesia.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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"Just Because" they want to show Vishnu in a good light...reason being brought up by those people, they are tarnishing the Purvi character now :(
We would need a lot of Patience I guess in the future track :(
Beautiful analysis as always Shymalaji...loved reading it...
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Very well written and said Shyamala, and I had the same misgivings myself. I could not believe my ears when I heard what Purvi said and even commented on a topic (I think someone had asked about Arjun-Ovi marriage, and I pointed out exactly this...this itself will lead to very big misunderstandings between Arjun and Purvi).
And the CVs track record in character assasination. As they did to Arjun...now it is Purvi in the hot seat. I am really really hoping someone from the team reads your analysis and decides not to go this route. A delay in the marriage is fine...but separation will be very tough and that too because of this. THE only way to salvage this for Arjun will be if becomes known that somehow Purvi gets to know who Soham really is. Either by overhearing Varsha talking to herself or something----we will take anything. But what you have outlined is so dreadful I am far more scared of this than any other separation reason to be frank. I could even handle either one of them being blackmailed somehow into having to foresake the other...but Purvi developing feelings for Vishnu is definitely going to rock the foundation of this relationship for sure as Jyothi puts it. Not even the Arjun/Ovi track was this bad because Ovi was his childhood friend, and the problem arose from the committment he made before he met Purvi.
I hope and pray that someone from the PR team reads your post and our reactions here...and realizes that if they go this route it will be the end of ARVI. Even if Arjun somehow gets past this kind of betrayal, I doubt we would be able to. At least for myself...in my mind...I am just unable to justify her developing any kind of sympathy for the man who shot the love of her life...who she professes to love deeply..twice---unless of course she somehow gets ahold of the truth and is then sworn to secrecy about it. Thats the only way to salvage this type of track----otherwise her character in this case really will be damaged beyond repair...and to be honest with you, if they assasinate her character to this extent we certainly may be better off with an Arjun-Ovi marriage instead. At least she truly does love him deeply...and I cannot see Ovi sympathizing with someone who shot Arjun!!!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Miss Shyamala,
Excellent post!!! Thank you for such insightful thoughts and analysis.
Jyothi and Abhi - also loved what you wrote.
I think I have also made my views quite clear on this. They are making Purvi look foolish and stupid and untrustworthy to Arjun, all in the name of bringing Soham the great back.
I once said that the CVs will insult the intelligence of the viewers if they don't show Vishnu repenting or getting some form of punishment for his crimes and just turn him into a positive character with the click of their fingers just cause he is who he is. AND That is exactly what they are trying to do.
But unfortunately for us, They are trying and may succeed in ruining the beautiful Arjun-Purvi relationship in order to achieve this.
I dislike the fact that Purvi is now softening to someone who not only shot the man she loves but also the man who held her dear baba at gun point. But more than that, I immensely dislike the fact that she is keeping secrets from Arjun!!! I do not like that and I don't know how I will feel when Purvi starts to support Vishnu against Arjun (which it looks to be going).
My question is... how far will the CVs go, meaning how far will Purvi go, to show Vishnu as a good boy and how much damage will they do to ArVi before reuniting them?
The episode and where the track is heading just left me feeling 🤢 🤢 🤢
Miss Shyamala, as for the parallels to PR 1. Yes, many are there... and after the 4 year leap and the nonsense that they showed there, I completely detached myself from that show, unfortunately, Im now addicted more than ever due to ArVi. I wish they would have new ideas and some originality. :-(

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