The undercurrents today...

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WOW! That is all I have to say about today's episode, it was brilliant and thought provoking. What a comeback from Aamir after the slightly disappointing dowry episode, he reflected every Indian's sentiment when he questioned the MCI chief upfront, without giving him a chance to defend 👏. It makes one think, why was Mr Talwar tongue tied? Why was his instant impulse bordering on defense rather than explaining the measures that are being taken to clean up the system that retains such doctors? Like Aamir asked, WHAT IS MCI DOING? Why does a patient, rich or poor or middle class have to pay 3-4 times than the actual cost for his medicines, tests and treatments? THAT right there should give everyone an idea about why our country is reeling under the effects of inflation today in general. Health services are just one part of it, if one extrapolates this trend to all our basic needs in this country, we can easily calculate just HOW MUCH we are spending when we don't have to, it also explains why the adage of "rich becoming richer, poor becoming poorer" applies so starkly to our country. I am not sure about everyone and I am sure that was not SMJ's intention today but I felt it, I just couldn't help but apply this to everything else to see why we have to read about inflation and rising (or should I say RAISING) prices every other day. What I am saying right now, might come as an off tangent to the actual issue of today's episode but if you REALLY think about it, today's topic had attacked some really core issues that are plaguing our country today. Now I don't want to explicitly name all of them (I already named inflation but there are few more) but I am sure most of them got how today's issue threw light unassumingly on some "not so political" issues as well. Another important undercurrent focus of today's issue, personally for me, was the education sector. To reflect Dr Gulati's thoughts- if you are paying 50 lakh Rupees for getting into a private medical college, you want to squeeze out as much as you can , from your patients, when you graduate- now this can be applied to other fields like engineering, business or other commercial services (not forcefully commercialized ones) but health care? For someone who works hard day in and day out to study and top the gruelling medical tests, is this simple, basic point lost? You can perhaps teach someone how to do business for money and even if he/she doesn't turn out good or screws up it is still okay because such fields offer more scope for committing and rectifying mistakes. But I cannot fathom, how someone can be taught to be a doctor for money because it is simply not the kind of field where you can afford to make a lot of mistakes. Ever wondered why there are so many corrupt doctors? Could the reason be their incompetence which in turn is a result of commercializing education? Now I am not saying that only and all incompetent doctors are corrupt , even competent doctors can be corrupt but it is just something to think about, isn't it?

Coming to the episode itself, I liked that today was mostly about giving the audience an insight into the root of the health care services negligence issue with the stories serving as the support needed to drive forth the point. I appreciated the inputs of the Doctors who came on the show because that really helped me understand a lot of things. A special mention to Dr Gulati who said "we just see if we are doing better than Pakistan in health care services" - he couldn't have summed up our country's "attitude" with respect to the interpretation of the GDP in general and not just health services 👏 . Dr Gulati's absolute off handed manner of stating RAW facts was fantastic, the facts themselves were appalling and disturbing, especially the point he made about our country's priority of healthcare services , just how slacking can we be? Sometimes I wonder should we really be proud of being born as Indians? No, SMJ is not making me question this, there have been innumerable times in the past when I questioned it. Where are we heading as a nation? Should we REALLY call ourselves a "developing" country? Like Dr Sharma from Rajasthan said, when we have kids dying for the lack of 150 Rs, what basis do we have to put our country in the same line as progress? WHERE have we progressed when the so called educated ones are also not aware of the existence of generic medicines and their availability? Another shocking fact which I learnt about the availability of generic medicines thanks to my mom who is in the profession of healthcare is that some time back a corrupt director who took over the government entity that supplies medicines to public shut down generic medicines supply to the public through the government entity for his commercial gain. Really, with such people on board in influential positions, how can we even DARE to say that we have progressed? Do the McD, KFC franchises and the innumerable malls, fashion stores, IPL, grocery chains etc., define our "progress"? Or does Bollywood do it? Barring the employment opportunities created by the MNCs, I don't understand how and where we have 'progressed' ?

The questions in my previous para are answered by SMJ the moment they bring up Narayana Hrudayalaya and the patience of a man like Dr Shetty who actually made the model of healthcare services reaching the underprivileged work. It is sad but if you really want to do something good in this country you need a lot of patience because we work on only one principle - commission, commission and commission. On every level and micro level you have to battle it and pursue your cause with patience if you want to accomplish something good for the benefit of the society. People like Dr Devi Shetty are the glimmer of hope in the darkness that has engulfed us, when we see such forward thinking people accomplishing something inspiring others to do the same, I can proudly feel and say it with a hand on my heart that yes, we are progressing. What was really interesting for me is the way Dr Devi Shetty threw light on the economic aspects of Narayana Hrudayalaya because at the end of the day Doctors are human just like us, they too need money to live and survive, we cannot expect them to do charity or behave like gods. The key, however is to strike that balance between making money while continuing to stick to the ethical standards and considerations on the humanitarian grounds demanded by the profession. and that could not have been explained better than Dr Devi Shetty did today 👏. It is a lesson we need to learn, to think forward and move towards progress as an individual, as a society and as a nation.

I wholeheartedly salute people like Dr Devi Shetty, Dr Gulati, Dr Sharma and I thank AK and the entire team of SMJ for bringing such people forward and creating a forum that reaches out to the majority and for putting together such a wonderful concept 👏 ⭐️. Like my friend said, "FINALLY some real television". 👏 👏


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Bazinga

Really, with such people on board in influential positions, how can we even DARE to say that we have progressed? Do the McD, KFC franchises and the innumerable malls, fashion stores, IPL, grocery chains etc., define our "progress"? Or does Bollywood do it? Barring the employment opportunities created by the MNCs, I don't understand how and where we have 'progressed' ?



Progress to my mind is not in terms of material benefits but in terms of where we are in ideological space and general moral tenor.

I once asked a young man who was doing his MBA and holding forth on how the country was going to dogs "whether he would be willing to give up his cushy job in order to serve in the army if the country asked for mass mobilisation". This was 10 years pre-Kargil. His answer was an instantaneous categorical NO. Yet we saw some of our most brilliant officers taking the lead and giving up their lives on the front.

20 years ago, people would not have been outraged by the stories you see and hear about. They would've shrugged their shoulders and said "Chalta hai, ye sab toh hot hai, kya kar sakte hain". Even 10 years ago no one would've thought of questioning the doctor. Yet today we do and that my friend is progress.

Change is not in urban mall culture, nor in MNC opportunities. Change lies in the free availability of information. It lies in the fact that we have powerful tools like the RTI and active media and judiciary. It lies in forums like this so that we can discuss and mobilize people across the nation to generate public pressure.

Anna has been active since the last 25 years and yet only in 2011 was he able to generate mass hysteria. Anna was not the harbinger of change. The change in the mindset of people had already occurred. Anna was the catalyst that made the change apparent to all.
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Nice bit of ambush marketing there!
Public Interest Litigation=PIL
Indian Premier League= IPL
With the freaking finals today-this was BRILLIANT.



The subject matter was one that needed addressing urgently & I was glad that AK has lent his considerable gravitas to discuss it in an open forum & emphasize the need to tackle the problems that beset the public health care system in India...
But,same complaints about the presentation of THIS episode as the third one.

@ chitashi=I like your definition of progress as a stage where we are beginning to dare to question people who were once considered holy cows...we need to be aware of our rights to question DOCTORS...but in reality,HOW many of us bother to do a back ground check on the doctors we entrust our lives to? Have I ever questioned a doctor about the course of meds s/he has prescribed??...I'd have to honestly say-no,I haven't !-like any other ignoramus,I've taken the prescription & trotted off to the nearest chemist & bought non-generic meds. I WILL be more aware & better informed the next time around.I'm sure.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Chitrashi




20 years ago, people would not have been outraged by the stories you see and hear about. They would've shrugged their shoulders and said "Chalta hai, ye sab toh hot hai, kya kar sakte hain". Even 10 years ago no one would've thought of questioning the doctor. Yet today we do and that my friend is progress.

I LOVED how you put that. 👏 I agree with you and if you have read my "essay", I also said the same in the end 😊. While the stories distress me, the steps taken by the forward thinkers as a result of this also motivate me and give me hope. No, I don't believe our country is a lost cause, in case I have projected myself that way.

Change is not in urban mall culture, nor in MNC opportunities. Change lies in the free availability of information. It lies in the fact that we have powerful tools like the RTI and active media and judiciary. It lies in forums like this so that we can discuss and mobilize people across the nation to generate public pressure.

For me though, progress has to be overall, economically as well as in thought. Economics are important because that is the reason behind our citizens' slacking attitude- a starving man cannot afford to think about the misery of his fellow human 😊. About the media, honestly they are the most corrupt ones, barring a very few channels and journalism, the ethic of responsible media is lost. Give me one mainstream news channel that does not aim at sensationalizing something or one mainstream journalist who we can rely on. Our media is just fascinated with "going with the trend" and milking it as much as it can to make money. And what purpose will public pressure serve when we do not have the time to pursue the revolution we have started? Let's say we get Lok Pal bill passed even though most of us could care less about the content and the possible repercussions of the bill, let us assume that its right implementation can result in something good for us but who will bother about its implementation? We think our job is done and that is what will happen in case of any issue we take up. The patience to pursue, to build a better tommorrow at least for our future generations is what is needed and that cannot come with mass mobilization alone, that is just the first step.


Anna has been active since the last 25 years and yet only in 2011 was he able to generate mass hysteria. Anna was not the harbinger of change. The change in the mindset of people had already occurred. Anna was the catalyst that made the change apparent to all.

I cannot say that the mindset has changed, not as yet. But yes, at least now we are THINKING about it and are perhaps planning to do something about it even, so this is a change like you have said earlier but we are still far far far away from the change.

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@znursingh On the contrary, I actually liked the presentation better this time. I liked the fact that the focus was more on experts in the field discussing the issue and bringing forth a lot of things which have helped create an awareness in the general public. I am not from the medical/health care service profession so from that perspective, I may not realize if this topic could have more to it than what was already shown but if I look at it from a common citizen perspective, I thought that most of the points were well made.
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Originally posted by: Bazinga

@znursingh On the contrary, I actually liked the presentation better this time. I liked the fact that the focus was more on experts in the field discussing the and bringing forth a lot of things which have helped create an awareness in the general public. I am not from the medical/health care service profession so from that perspective, I may not realize if this topic could have more to it than what was already shown but if I look at it from a common citizen perspective, I thought that most of the points were well made.



Hi. I agree it was better than the last episode.Slightly.See,this a purely personal perception-I'm always uncomfortable when serious subjects treated with levity.Its the main reason why I stopped watching news on NDTV 24x7-couldn't STAND Ms B Dutt simpering & smiling idiotically at the MOST inopportune moments during serious discussions about dowry deaths or murder cases.
Similarly this was literally a matter of life & death---so I'm coming from a place of deep personal prejudice...please ignore,my intention was not to offend.AT ALL.

PS=I REALLY love reading the posts all you sensible people make here.
A a small selfish request-please don't post in red-its awful hard on aging eyes!
Thanks!!
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There ar certain things that one can do when handed over a prescription by the doctor. Go and buy only one tablet each - such that the generic drug name is clearly visible - or look at the strip/box and note down the name.

I often check up the medications on Drugs.com. It lets you know why a certain medicine has been prescribed and the side-effects if any. Every time that you start taking a new medicine keep an eye out for any other changes that happen - including minor things like loss of appetite, sweating, drowsiness etc. Note these changes and check up if they are caused by the medication you've been prescribed. Ask for an immediate change of medicine if the side effects continue. If the doctor rubbishes your concerns or does not listen to you, do not hesitate to change doctors.

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Originally posted by: Bazinga

No, I don't believe our country is a lost cause, in case I have projected myself that way.



Somehow I think that we all who can think and speak should behave in our lives like the country is a lost cause and our hands are on the panic button 24x7. There are so many things going wrong and so few speaking up. I believe that if I can influence even 5 people in my lifetime to change the way they look at some issues I would've done my bit.
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- such that the generic drug name is clearly visible - or look at the strip/box and note down the name.
#### This won't hold true for the majority of patients who are uneducated.

I often check up the medications on Drugs.com.
###### So those who don't have computer skills or no access to computers will just have to muddle along?

... Ask for an immediate change of medicine if the side effects continue. If the doctor rubbishes your concerns or does not listen to you, do not hesitate to change doctors.
#### In an Utopian world perhaps this would be a viable proposition.In INDIA-where getting TO a doctor is an uphill task,changing Docs is NOT a luxury that an average Indian can afford.

Its a dismal,dismaying situation...& I do believe that the solution will HAVE to be found in improving PUBLIC healthcare facilities,allocating more funds for the improvement of the quality of care available to all.This will need political will-not sure where THAT is going to emanate from-none of the current crop show any signs of possessing a backbone.

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@znursingh No offense taken, I was just putting forth my different POV and I am glad you find our posts sensible :). Bold red font is my signature on I-F and I had only that color left 'coz all the other colors were taken, plus that is reflective of my personality as well. Just like my font's color, I am an in-your-face kinda person so I hope you won't mind :). To put forth my POV again, I don't think SMJ intends to get too much into detail about any issue and their aim is to show just enough to awaken but that does not mean they should keep it on the surface like they did last time. I honestly did not feel that they kept it on the surface or kind of trivialized it this time. However, I do understand where you are coming from and I respect your opinion.

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