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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: stupidestwatch

Whitepearl, read your wonderful post. Very very well-thought, well-worded and well-written. It had so much insight about Amar and Mohan (more so the beautiful person that Mohan is). Very profound.

Thanks Stupidest😊

Just one difficulty I had while reading your post was lack of paragraphs. I was either missing a line or rereading the same line. So I started using my finger on the screen to read with more ease. That was the only thing that exhausted me while reading the post. So much so that it had a detrimental effect on my reading experience. Otherwise a very wonderful review of these two men. Please don't be offended. Am just requesting you to add paragraphs to your wonderful thoughts.
I am so sorry for that...I never intended to write such a long post...but thanks for the suggestions . I'll keep that in mind.

I sometimes feel Mohan is too good a person for Megha. It just feels that he is a better person who harbors a better nature. Again it seems Megha is not any less worthy of Mohan. It doesn't seem that she is not good person (all evidence to the contrary actually). It is just that Megha is not ready to love anybody while Mohan is on a one -way street to heartache. Unrequited love is the worst possible kind of love. I wish happy ending to Mohan. And Megha too. May she love Mohan for her happiness and not because she gives into Mohan's devotion or anything. May she get over Amar if she wants or live with his memories (if she wants) in which case let Mohan get over Megha.

Either way I don't want heartaches for either M or M. They both deserve better if not each other.

U seems quiet unhappy with Megha's reluctance and resistance...Be +ve dear thinks will change for better...gradually and slowly because as Mohan said ---achache longon ke saath achacha hi hota hai.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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The point you have brought to our attention here; very thought provoking and nicely expressed👏

I have thought about this Amar-Mohan point often (not from comparison POV) and SE made me go over it all again but in an altogether different vein, means my POV on this is completely opposite to your's but will put it down here anyway and hope you bear with it well.

Firstly Amar & Mohan are two souls who would be better off without all this comparison. Because however much we think, we cannot do justice to Amar ever because we don't know him as we do Mohan. We know Amar, only from his family and loved one's memories and usually memories of our near and dear ones, once they pass away, always tend to be about the sweet and happy moments. We, as romanticized humans, tend to remember everything about our late beloved, with reverie and make those people seem like sunshine and roses, tend to cherish them as perfect and saint-like. Because we always want to hold onto them for eternity, our memories make them out to be heroes, simply because, it's easier to let go of a human than a hero. Do consider the fact that Amar wouldn't have been such a saint of a perfect person, every human being has strengths and weaknesses. These strength and weaknesses are both, inherent/inborn (those that exist in you as a person) and some are acquired (from circumstances & family). Just like Mohan, Amar must have had both strengths and weaknesses.

If one is compelled to compare then here goes and mind you, I think, Amar and Mohan are most alike in some very personality defining traits.

1) Mohan is professional and a go-getter (in his field of work), same goes for Amar (in his own).


2) Mohan is honest and straightforward, Amar was too.


3) Mohan is always ready to help, too nice to say 'No' - Look how he's always there for Megha, kids etc. Amar was too, however impossible the odds. 4th & 5th points go onto explain how.


4) For Mohan, we can see, during shivratri how he saved Megha risking his own life. For Amar, we have Megha recalling him running 5 Kms in pouring rain, just to get medicines for his neighbour's kid suffering from fever.


5) For Mohan, we have seen him, time and again saving Megha from Prateek, knowing all the while that it's an excercise in vain. For Amar we have Megha recalling him trying futilely but persistently to find a person for 5 days continuous, because he had found that person's wallet lying on the road.


6) Mohan is courageous like a lion, refuses to bow down in the face of any adversity and will go to any length to fight for the truth. We are sure of that because we see him working tirelessly on Amar's case, no matter how tough it seems to unveil the truth his devil-may-care attitude keeps him above and beyond the evil machinations of schemers like Dinanath.

Same can be said for Amar too. You must be asking why?? Well because Amar's death is shrouded in a mystery still, where all elements involved, be it his signature on the construction material quality certificate or his willingly using it to build that bridge, are still nothing but a large question mark. When next to nothing has yet been clearly shown, all Amar's actions remain hidden under a dark cloak, then how have you come to this conclusion that (quoting you) ''Amar knew about the corruption and the lives in danger because of it but he probably could not muster the courage to open his mouth in time. '' ????? OR '' he lost the opportunity to be bold and lost his life too'' ????

How can we say that Amar did nothing at that time other than sit back and watch it happen? Would that laid-back attitude had resulted in Amar's getting murdered?? (all clues point that he was indeed murdered) Doesn't his getting murdered, Dinanath's trying to hide clues still after two years of bridge collapse and Ramnathan having been in hiding all along, Ramnathan's wife blaming Nanhi's father Amar for all her family's misfortunes,, all these things indicate towards that very point, that indeed Amar was as brave as a person in his situation can afford to be and he was onto something that threatened DN so much so that DN had to resort to having Amar murdered. What does that say for Amar, if not that he was indeed a courageous person of rock solid integrity (just like Mohan), who didn't care two cents once he saw what was happening.

7) You said Mohan's blunt and fearless. He's blunt and reckless because he can afford to be. It doesn't mean that people who go about handling situations carefully or give a thought to their families' safety, are not essentially fearless. They are equally fearless too, only difference is their circumstances don't allow them to be as reckless as Mohan. Get Mohan married, imagine him with his wife and kids who are the sole reason for his existence, and he'll be exactly like Amar. Where our family is our strength sometimes, it also becomes a weakness at others. Same goes for Amar,he had to tread carefully, which of course made the process of getting clues very slow, because he would have naturally worried about the security of his wife and kids. Mohan isn't tied down by any relations as such so he can afford recklessness.


8) You said Amar was loving, dignified, caring and soft-spoken. Even that doesn't make him any different from Mohan. Mohan is equally caring, loving and soft-spoken( when he cares to be). Jokes apart, I mean to say that Mohan wanted to pursue his ambition and became a reporter, apparently against his father's wishes, resulting in him getting estranged from his home. Amar married Megha against his family's wishes (we know that from MIL's sour faces and bitter recallings). Now after 11 years since that marriage, still MIL is so bitter, you can imagine the extent of Amar's family's anger at the time of marriage itself. Still we know that he went on to marry and make his family accept Megha too. Now you see, both Amar and Mohan have gone through the rebellious phase, only difference is not in them, but in their family's reception and acceptance of their rebellion. Where Mohan's father is still angry and refuses to talk with him, Amar's family did get angry but decided to accept Megha and move on.

That's all!! Sorry if my rambling got too long but I just had to let you know what I think. Hope it clears your doubts that Mohan and Amar are not that very different other than their exterior, some of which is solely due to how life has treated them both, in different ways.

Edited by Fmani - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Fmani

Excellent point you have brought to our attention here; very thought provoking and nicely expressed👏

I have thought about this Amar-Mohan point often and SE made me go over it all again but in an altogether different vein, means my POV on this is completely opposite to your's but will put it down here anyway and hope you bear with it well.

Thanks Mani for patiently go through my post and reply🤗. I am really obliged to know so many angles of Amar's and Mohan's life. We sometime tend to see through one perspective only.

Firstly Amar & Mohan are two souls who would be better off without all this comparison. Because however much we think, we cannot do justice to Amar ever because we don't know him as we do Mohan. We know Amar, only from his family and loved one's memories and usually memories of our near and dear ones, once they pass away, always tend to be about the sweet and happy moments. We, as romanticized humans, tend to remember everything about our late beloved, with reverie and make those people seem like sunshine and roses, tend to cherish them as perfect and saint-like. Because we always want to hold onto them for eternity, our memories make them out to be heroes, simply because, it's easier to let go of a human than a hero. Do consider the fact that Amar wouldn't have been such a saint of a perfect person, every human being has strengths and weaknesses. These strength and weaknesses are both, inherent/inborn (those that exist in you as a person) and some are acquired (from circumstances & family). Just like Mohan, Amar must have had both strengths and weaknesses.

If one is compelled to compare then here goes and mind you, I think, Amar and Mohan are most alike in some very personality defining traits.

1) Mohan is professional and a go-getter (in his field of work), same goes for Amar (in his own).

2) Mohan is honest and straightforward, Amar was too.

3) Mohan is always ready to help, too nice to say 'No' - Look how he's always there for Megha, kids etc. Amar was too, however impossible the odds. 4th & 5th points go onto explain how.

4) For Mohan, we can see, during shivratri how he saved Megha risking his own life. For Amar, we have Megha recalling him running 5 Kms in pouring rain, just to get medicines for his neighbour's kid suffering from fever.

5) For Mohan, we have seen him, time and again saving Megha from Prateek, knowing a the while that it's an excercise in vain. For Amar we have Megha recalling him trying futilely but persistently to find a person for 5 days continuous, because he had found that person's wallet lying on the road.

I missed that scene ...but yes I agree that Amar has been really kind.

6) Mohan is courageous like a lion, refuses to bow down in the face of any adversity and will go to any length to fight for the truth. We are sure of that because we see him working tirelessly on Amar's case, no matter how tough it seems to unveil the truth his devil-may-care attitude keeps him above and beyond the evil machinations of schemers like Dinanath.

Agree...

Same can be said for Amar too. You must be asking why?? Well because Amar's death is shrouded in a mystery still, where all elements involved, be it his signature on the construction material quality certificate or his willingly using it to build that bridge, are still nothing but a large question mark. When next to nothing has yet been clearly shown, all Amar's actions remain hidden under a dark cloak, then how have you come to this conclusion that (quoting you) ''Amar knew about the corruption and the lives in danger because of it but he probably could not muster the courage to open his mouth in time. '' ????? OR '' he lost the opportunity to be bold and lost his life too'' ????

How can we say that Amar did nothing at that time other than sit back and watch it happen? Would that laid-back attitude had resulted in Amar's getting murdered?? (all clues point that he was indeed murdered) Doesn't his getting murdered, Dinanath's trying to hide clues still after two years of bridge collapse and Ramnathan having been in hiding all along, Ramnathan's wife blaming Nanhi's father Amar for all her family's misfortunes,, all these things indicate towards that very point, that indeed Amar was as brave as a person in his situation can afford to be and he was onto something that threatened DN so much so that DN had to resort to having Amar murdered. What does that say for Amar, if not that he was indeed a courageous person of rock solid integrity (just like Mohan), who didn't care two cents once he saw what was happening.

These are just my guesses because Amar has left so many clues, He told Megha not to open that CD till he comes..He also never discussed anything about it with Megha. Maybe he got to know it very late but he has the time ti hide the evidences ...for whom? Why didn't to exposed Dinanath at the very first opportunity? Amar knew that Dinanath is dangerous ...that's why they left a trail of evidence...then why did he took chance to confront him alone...or may be gone at the bridge site , or at the office...it had happened at a place where Amar was not supposed to be alone among dinanath and his men. I am not blaming Amar for this but sometimes even a very honest, true man make a mistake. Mohan also has his share of impulsiveness when he witnessed against Amar's case but now he is carefully venturing deep into with confidence and determination and that too not alone but shouldering the responsibility of other two lives.

7) You said Mohan's blunt and fearless. He's blunt and reckless because he can afford to be. It doesn't mean that people who go about handling situations carefully or give a thought to their families' safety, are not essentially fearless. They are equally fearless too, only difference is their circumstances don't allow them to be as reckless as Mohan. Get Mohan married, imagine him with his wife and kids who are the sole reason for his existence, and he'll be exactly like Amar. Where our family is our strength sometimes, it also becomes a weakness at others. Same goes for Amar,he had to tread carefully, which of course made the process of getting clues very slow, because he would have naturally worried about the security of his wife and kids. Mohan isn't tied down by any relations as such so he can afford recklessness.

Nice to imagine but NO, I don't want Mohan to be exactly like Amar...He has his unique approach to deal with situations and relations...His mannerism is not like Amar at all. Amar is one of those good guys who can sacrifice their lives for their family but Mohan is a kind of person who will not sacrifice his life but will make the opponent's life hell for his families sake.😆

8) You said Amar was loving, dignified, caring and soft-spoken. Even that doesn't make him any different from Mohan. Mohan is equally caring, loving and soft-spoken( when he cares to be). Jokes apart, I mean to say that Mohan wanted to pursue his ambition and became a reporter, apparently against his father's wishes, resulting in him getting estranged from his home. Amar married Megha against his family's wishes (we know that from MIL's sour faces and bitter recallings). Now after 11 years since that marriage, still MIL is so bitter, you can imagine the extent of Amar's family's anger at the time of marriage itself. Still we know that he went on to marry and make his family accept Megha too. Now you see, both Amar and Mohan have gone through the rebellious phase, only difference is not in them, but in their family's reception and acceptance of their rebellion. Where Mohan's father is still angry and refuses to talk with him, Amar's family did get angry but decided to accept Megha and move on.

Yes Amar have rebelled against his family for Megha but he is not rebellious in nature. But Mohan is. He has guts to walk against the wind..rather he has always does that. He has always paved his way like that.

That's all!! Sorry if my rambling got too long but I just had to let you know what I think. Hope it clears your doubts that Mohan and Amar are not that very different other than their exterior, some of which is solely due to how life has treated them both, in different ways.

Thanks again Mani...your reply was very insightful. I am not gainst Amar but I wonder if one day Megha will also see Amar in Mohan...I do not want Mohan to be Amar's shadow. Mohan is Mohan and he should be better known for his individuality. Not for ..."Oh1 he is so like Amar' feeling.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Yaar the point of my dissection wasn't to say that you are against Amar, nor was it intended to come across defining Mohan as Amar's shadow or vice versa. No two strangers can be shadows of each other, it's the same blood that brings across the illusion of two souls being shadows of each other, otherwise they can be called as similars with their own individualities of course. My intention too, was to bring out the fact that all good people are alike in the way that basic, inherent or acquired, personality defining traits are similarly present in all those people. That philosophy of basic human nature can be applied not only for Amar and Mohan, but on all good people. And that is what Mohan is exactly, he's good!

Again I would say, we know about flyover's collapse and what followed, but do we know what preceded it? When we work for any particular organization, if we discover any wrong goings on or witness frauds underway, then we don't go directly to newspapers for public revelation. First we try and get our employer's point of view and really see or hear whether our employer is involved or not. If the employer too is involved then the next step is of course to go and expose him. How do you know that Amar didn't do it at all. It's fate that death met him before he could have exposed DN's real face. I think that should answer your questions about why Amar didn't expose him on first opportunity. Exposure requires solid hard proofs (remember Mohan's ideology?), A courtroom doesn't require your eye witness accounts of documentation, it requires documentation itself bearing witness to verbal account of exactly how the fraud is getting implemented and exactly what's going wrong with the flyover construction. With DN's position in society, do you think it would or could have been that easy or child's play for a normal ordinary citizen like Amar. It demands time and that's what Amar didn't get. But we know that he had managed to get and compile some solid evidence, that'll serve Mohan to expose DN. As for him not telling Megha, there must be some proof in that wrapped gift that he gave Megha. That means that he was going to let Megha know about the turn of events. No human being possesses the marvel or talent of fore-sight and so Amar didn't too. He told her that they'll open the gift when he gets back because he intended to get back but for all he knew, he couldn't so it isn't anything Amar did wrong. It's fate's hand.

Now quoting you ''Yes Amar have rebelled against his family for Megha but he is not rebellious in nature. But Mohan is. He has guts to walk against the wind..rather he has always does that. He has always paved his way like that.''

Of course I agree and have the same sentiments. Can't say the same or anything different even, for Amar, as it'll only be speculation and not something I or anyone could really believe in. We know only Mohan, not Amar, Mohan is and Amar was. We know Mohan inside and out while we can only say so much for Amar's memories, not him as a person. That's why I say that these two can't be compared as we don't know Amar at all
Edited by Fmani - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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And as far as Mohan making opponent's life hell, I agree wholeheartedly but then I would always say it and believe in it because Mohan is Mohan. But life is very unpredictable my friend. I believe in Mohan and all his individualities, all the quirks that make him both adorable and inspirational and as much as I would also love to claim (like you just did) that he will always be the same fiesty, reckless person, and his approach to handling situation would always be the same, I wouldn't do it because it would only be falsifying and defying basic human nature and how this life of our's work. Life doesn't always remain the same, similarly we do not too. If we change our approach and adjust to the changes that life throws our way, we can only head in the right direction and do ourselves good. Marriage and life changes lots of people so I just gave a theory of a married Mohan to explain my point of view. Just taking it in terms of real life,take me for example - I believe myself to be a person of integrity but relations and my family do mean the world to me and anything endangering them would make me practice caution in all situations. I believe in this quality to be caring towards your family, as a good quality, not something to be ashamed about. Simlarly I wouldn't like Mohan to be his usual reckless self, of giving punch for punch to all enemies, without thinking twice about it or it's repercussions to his family. Afterall, realistically thinking, if fate had had it's way, then a married Mohan might end up in the same situation as Amar. If he's reckless, he'll end up getting either himself or his family killed or at fatal risk and that's never good.

P.S above is all from a virtual point of view, as in '''IF'
Edited by Fmani - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Let us hope that aisa hi ho. :-)
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Dear Mani...I understand and respect your POV. I much say you have a very positive outlook towards life. Keep it up👏. As for Mohan and Amar, their presence give different dimensions to Megha's life...I am keeping my finger's crossed as the story of Amar's death slowly unfolds.

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