Brothers... In Arms? At War?

Originally posted by: soapbubble

I think Kesar, for now, has accepted Gulaal's stand on things. He was tired, I think, fatigued beyond measure with trying to understand it himself. now, he's taken the whole situation on trust, and is resting happy - for the first time - on the way she has taken it. Her position on matters is also his - for now.

He doesn't know why, how these things came to pass, but he has accepted it. His own mistrust also extended to the fact that there was something between Dushyant and Gulaal - that ghost was laid to rest.

And then the believed that Dushyant would try to influence their lives by his position as sarpanch at the DV litigations. But Dush was so entirely proper and just that that must've mollified Kesar considerably. He doesn't see Dush as an unscrupulous, out-and-out black villain any more.

Besides, there is the fact that Dushyant is family. Love or hate them, cousins have so much history between them, such bonds of affection, love, rivalry, strife... that it all becomes one meshed fabric. As long as Vasant's murder is not at the forefront, Kesar can't HATE Dushyant, I think. Forgiveness is there - the crime hasn't been confessed, but the forgiveness, or at least a glimmer of understanding is there. Perhaps, Kesar senses the writhing human drama that took place when he was just a child.

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Originally posted by: nureat01

Very interesting topic, Jzee!

This thought has been hovering in the back of my mind since a while too...it's obvious they've put the Kesar v/s Dushyant thing on the backburner for a bit to give the KG issue center-stage.

Like you said, Kesar's mistrust and suspicions about the relationship b/w Dushy-Gulaal are now gone...but I don't think at the same time he's forgiven Dushy completely...if the Vasant murder issue was to come to the forefront again, I do think his resentments will surface in full glory again...that ghost has not been laid to rest...merely put aside for now cuz all his focus is on making Gulaal happy...If what we've seen of Kesar so far is anything to go by, he is not the type to make peace over this topic so easily...Gulaal went through a series of situations before she came to settle into the dynamic that she did with Dushyant.

In Kesar's case, the writers have not till this point shown a true heart to heart moment post the whole confession fiasco...Dushyant tried talking to Kesar once when he told him not to force Gulaal to accept the DV...but Kesar largely brushed him off...I'm sure Kesar appreciates Dushyant's decisions in the panchayat ultimately...but beyond that, I don't think he can find it in himself to forgive and forget the truth of Dushyant fully either.

It does seem like the calm before the storm to me as well...Dushyant has since a long time now been affectionate towards Kesar, wishes the best for him...have you seen that scene b/w him and chhota Kesar when chhota Kesar tries to get his signature on his English essay and Dushyant is so impressed that he got an 8 and pats him on the back proudly😆...Lol, yes I remember that part totally! Especially when Gulaal is informed of his score by a proud Dushyant and a very nervous Kesar 😆 There was all the time Talli and him go eat at a food stall without paying by naming Dushyant and Kesar was all boasting about his Dushyant Bha... and then when he returns and Dushyant goes to meet him after he's beaten up a bunch of rowdies, just for a second Kesar is actually in that mode of seeing his Bha after a decade, until the rude truth snaps in a moment later. Kesar genuinely owns his relations, the good ones and the bad ones, because his understanding of the bad ones hasn't been half as candid as Gulaal's - minus of Dushyant - so the point remains that Dushyant-Kesar have much potential, especially given the respective actors (Sushant Singh is phenomenal!) Seriously Sushant Singh is a damn fine actor and I'd love to see more interesting Kesar-Dushyant scenes in the future too...it is definitely a relationship with many layers and somewhere I feel once Gulaal and Kesar get together, it will shift the dynamic b/w K and D again as well...in what way, that toh time will tell...but I'm not sure...something tells me that D doesn't expect Gulaal to ever fall in love with Kesar and he wouldn't know how to take it when he sees that she does.
Wow! I wasn't thinking about this at all. We've all talked about how Talli will react when GK finally get together - and she has already seen a glimpse of what's to come in various forms of GK scenes. You're right about Dushyant. He doesn't have the slightest inkling over GK coming together. While he's found some semblance of truce with never getting Gulaal for himself, and while I don't think he can ever become the possessed kind of lover to harm Kesar ever now, Gulaal getting with Kesar will change something about his current stoic demeanor. It's what JK has been bidding for all the time, hooking up Gulaal so Dushyant will finally get out of his kind of denial. And it's what Dushyant has truly not believed can ever happen. Wow again. That will be some shock for him, wont it! He might just be the last one to realize, given how far he will assume Gulaal's growing emotion for Kesar as simply Gulaal being Gulaal with her little ward Kesar. He of all the people has immense blind faith in that sanctity of Gulaal's 'love' for Kesar.

Anyways, getting back to the main question...I think Kesar has blinders on right now regarding anything else...his full focus is only and only on Gulaal...on making her happy after all the days of pain and heartbreak...but once the dust settles a bit on all this, the Vasant murder issue and consequently all his resentment towards Dushyant will come rushing back too.

Originally posted by: sauris

JZee,well written.Wish i had 0.1% of writting talent which you have👏

Originally posted by: JZephyr

So with some settlement on the GK matter, for now, I'm sort of intrigued about the recent peaceful dynamic between Dushyant and Kesar - and how long that is to stay.

Somewhere, Kesar and Gulaal have had difference of grudge against Dushyant - even as they both partially hold him accountable for taking away Vasant. For Gulaal, Dushyant is also the obsessive lover she once faced. For Kesar, he is the man Gulaal sided up with, keeping a secret from the family and in that stride betraying others, especially him.

While I'm certain Kesar can at no point be agitated by, much less insecure of Dushyant-Gulaal love angle, the truce between them at this point is mostly (to me) like a dormant volcano.

True, Kesar is no longer jealous of Dushyant - Gulaal slapped him out of those kinds of thoughts at their at their pondisde showdown!! However his emotions towards Dushyanth are a ticking timebomb

He hasn't forgotten the matter, I believe, even though he's never shown dwelling over it any longer, on the contrary is shown as almost cordial towards Dushyant even on a direct basis (say like today, when Dushyant mentions how the food is all Kesar's favorite, his smile just widens - perhaps not exactly at or for Dushyant, but the fact that he doesn't bare his teeth in warning or grind them secretly is certainly a change) there is no way the showdown over Vasant murder mystery can just be blown away like a deceptive thunder cloud. I've said elsewhere, that I think the reason to uphold the trump card for so long is intentional from the CVs and they shall no longer make it a singular event, but one that is accompanied by some greater, more current crisis (Talli's wedding fiasco just seems so likely at that!)

I think this is where we stand, with regard to Dushyant and Kesar, atm:

* Kesar has not brought up the Dushyant matter from the time of that confrontation with Gulaal where she denies him answers but tells him also, that he should not doubt her intention. He has not been tolerant of Dushyant (at least wasn't until recently, including times when Dushyant was trying to knock sense into him over his love for Gulaal) but he has certainly not been individually dwelling over the matter, or confronting Gulaal about it.

* Perhaps part of his silence on the matter stems from Gulaal telling him to not mistrust her - and Kesar's only attempts partially in vain at it anyway, for as long as a decade! But part of it, I think, stems from Kesar's resolve to not only make it up to Gulaal - but actually become a responsible member of his family. He's devoted himself to the task of clearing mess and I'm not sure how far he is convinced with Dushyant's reform, but I suppose as long as he can detect no smoke, he's just living his responsibilities, and letting Dushyant live his.

* It still surprises me, that he can be amicable about direct references between Dushyant and him. I can't for the life of me imagine he has forgiven Dushyant. I can't imagine either, that he has Gulaal's exact conscious thought in keeping the secret buried for family peace. Yes, that's probably directing his actions in a way, but i don;t think so consciously his plan, as it was Gulaal's. Just maybe, he's doing this for MB. To not rob him of his faith in Dushyant... to keep him away from a truth that will shatter his final, greatest, and only myth.

* And finally - is it possible Kesar will never be at loggerheads with Dushyant over the matter again? Can just the revealing of truth do that? Perhaps not, cause going against Dushyant will also translate to going against Gulaal, in a way. Is it then possible that Kesar has made peace with this truth for good? That even when the secret is leaked, he will still side up with Dushyant because he is now a changed man and preach not to avenge Vasant's murder?

One of the things that might happen is that Dushyanth might redeem himself in some dramatic manner and create his own "kavaj". I hope it is by marrying Talli after a Raman fiasco to make sure that he protects Gulaal's "pyaar" (and I mean Kesar not Talli 😉) this time around. Kesar might not be totally able to forgive Dushyanth but he (and Motaba's family) will be honorbound to ensure Talli's marital happiness. This is a good way to keep Talli in the family and the Dushyanth-Talli dynamic does have a lot of dramatic scope (it will be a delight to watch JK!). Further, this might be the time that Motaba requests Gulaal to leave (and Kesar follows her) and there might be more drama about how she is reinstated into the family fold.

Jump into the discussion please. After GK - Dushyant and Kesar are the next super interesting angle in the show for me. Their dynamics has been an interesting curve from the time Kesar was a child - and there is obviously tons to come. I can only imagine this calm between the two brothers, is only preceding the proverbial storm.

xx

JZee

Originally posted by: trifolia

True, Kesar is no longer jealous of Dushyant - Gulaal slapped him out of those kinds of thoughts at their at their pondisde showdown!! However his emotions towards Dushyanth are a ticking timebomb

Now that is true. The one thing Gulaal did accomplish at pool side was to 'slap' him out of his Gulaal-Dushyant have a thing going delusion. So at least that will never come up again. Even if and when Kesar learns of the kidnapping, and even if he finds it beyond credibility to imagine Gulaal forgave even that, I doubt he will turn back to the green monster and read any wrong on her part in that. It might urge him to seek her exact reason to forgive more persistently than ever, but that's that for Gulaal. For Dushyant, that might be doomsday like no other!

One of the things that might happen is that Dushyanth might redeem himself in some dramatic manner and create his own "kavaj". I hope it is by marrying Talli after a Raman fiasco to make sure that he protects Gulaal's "pyaar" (and I mean Kesar not Talli 😉) this time around. Kesar might not be totally able to forgive Dushyanth but he (and Motaba's family) will be honorbound to ensure Talli's marital happiness. This is a good way to keep Talli in the family and the Dushyanth-Talli dynamic does have a lot of dramatic scope (it will be a delight to watch JK!). Further, this might be the time that Motaba requests Gulaal to leave (and Kesar follows her) and there might be more drama about how she is reinstated into the family fold.

So I reckon what could happen is Dulli, before the kidnapping news and/or Vasant murder mystery is unraveled and the family will be obligated to at least tolerate Dushyant, eventually, if not forgive, for Talli's sake. As for Talli herself - that will be whoaa dilemma spot! JK may never feel guilt on behalf of her son, but she's likely to be snubbed into silence for a bit after that - because this is way more serious than Raman ditching Sudha and home business and going to jail. This is about killing the son and the heir of this Talsagra home! It has additionally resulted in a stagnation to the extension of their clan - because Vasant is gone, Raman Sudha bear no hope, Dushyant refuses to marry, and Kesar refuses to move on. GK are about the only hope for a future generation to succeed them - that when they happen, and the family doesn't really believe they ever can or will.