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Posted: 14 years ago

#21

Great discussion! I think after Gulaal's plea that all her intentions were good during the showdown, he has somehow dissociated his feelings towards Gulaal's handling of the truth, and the fact that D was responsible. These are two separate things for now, where he is not doubting G's motives. He most likely disagrees with her choice, but he is somewhat secure in now knowing that there is nothing between G-D. And the thought of losing G after marrying Talli just put and now the 3 mths time left has just put "all things Gulaal" to the forefront for him. I predict it will come out explosively during Talli-Kunaal wedding...

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without-fathom

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Posted: 14 years ago

#22

Everyone - thank you for the input! I'm glad such an interesting debate has caught its share of opinions.

Originally posted by: Anjalg
I too feel that Kes has put Dushy on the back burner for now. I don't know if this is possible but above all (and I mean...even above Vasant's death), what bothered Kesar the most was the fact that Gulaal and Dushyant might have had a thing. Again, I might be completely wrong here.
Yeh, we sort of got into that discussion on the previous page. Kesar does weigh Gulaal over Vasant in this matter, plain as that. And one of the reasons that he's put the matter aside is his belief that G-D don't have a scene. Again, as I said before, the secret of Gulaal's kidnapping coming out can play trigger. He's not going to go back to doubting Gulaal - but I'm referring to the K-D angle. And like you say, D may still harbor the evil streak. I can't see it coming to the forefront like earlier, in terms of 'harming' Kesar... but I don't see him sitting through the ordeal of GK as just a bystander. What if he's married to Talli by then, and it sort of comes out as his indifference for Talli? Like I'm not saying he'd abuse her, but Dushyant could actually be at least a concerned hubby to Talli, if far from a lover, and ust maybe a good friend too in time - except the evolution of GK in the picture can mar that situation... but this is my longest shot at speculation. Starting from the assumption of Dulli happening.

I still feel that Dushy has that mean streak in him still!!

Both Kesar and Dushy have extreme emotions in them. While Kesar is still coming to terms with his love for Gulaal...Dushy has been to the brink of his obsession for her and come back to sanity...but both of them have this extreme element in them when it comes to Gulaal.

Originally posted by: scarletthara
The dynamics of the brother's relationship is bound to change when Gulaal finally falls in love with Kesar... Dushyant has accepted the fact that Gulaal cannot let go of Vasant and hence feels that she can never go beyond him (Vasant)... but when he sees her feeling for Kesar, it is bound to ignite his feeling of rejection... which had led to the horrible abduction stint...

I don't think that Dushyant will go back to being a full-fledged villain again, the whole 10-year redemption process will be wasted then. However, there would be some interesting changes in the equation between the trio for sure. Gulaal had chosen to do DV with Kesar instead of him 10 years ago, and this had hurt his ego, but this will be a bigger blow when he realises that she has given him a place in her heart the way he had yearned for ages... If Talli is also there in the picture, then it wil add to the overall masala of the show... I can't predict how these two would react, but it would not be all goody goody for sure...

At bold - I agree. I don't see him going back to be the full fledged bad guy! I like how this show is not melodramatically unreal in that sense, making the bad guys totally bad again after what is projected as a stint of pretend good phase! Dushyant's reform is in the earnest, and his only threat will be in the form of added demons he will have to fight with the GK angle, within himself, which can lead to perhaps some other form of downside in his actions. Not necessarily harming Kesar directly, or even indirectly... but in some other way. Dulli seems like an idea at that...

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without-fathom

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: Bzee
Great discussion! I think after Gulaal's plea that all her intentions were good during the showdown, he has somehow dissociated his feelings towards Gulaal's handling of the truth, and the fact that D was responsible. These are two separate things for now, where he is not doubting G's motives. He most likely disagrees with her choice, but he is somewhat secure in now knowing that there is nothing between G-D. And the thought of losing G after marrying Talli just put and now the 3 mths time left has just put "all things Gulaal" to the forefront for him. I predict it will come out explosively during Talli-Kunaal wedding...

@bold - WORD, BZee! Very well put, that is the exact status between these brothers for now. Kesar has cast Gulaal out of this picture, despite her innate involvement with the matter, because what he cared more about was not Gulaal hiding the secret of murder, but Gulaal protecting Dushyant! Now that is a past chapter. But exactly why the abduction scenario, if it comes to fore, can reignite Kesar's wrath, because it will inevitably bring back Gulaal into the K-D angle, in a greater way still, because this time Gulaal will actually not be the one he's grudging, but the unseen victim at Dushyant's hand!

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AreYaar

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: Anjalg

About Dushy...I agree with what Nur said...I don't think Dushy has ever seen Kesar as a threat because he still sees Kesar as the youngest brother. I think Dushy knows Gulaal pretty well too and is quite confident that she could never fall in love with Kesar. In many episodes, I have seen Dushy treating Kesar like a little kid and honestly, Kesar;s behavior since his return has just made matters worst in terms of being treated like an adult (the whole DV matter, his tantrums, temper, zidd in relation to Gulaal etc etc). I still feel that Dushy has feelings for Gulaal but because of all that has happened, his guilt, shame and embarrassment...he will never have the guts to cross paths with her again. It will be very interesting to see how Dushy reacts when Gulaal does start falling for Kesar because whatever said and done and no matter how much he might have changed...I still feel that Dushy has that mean streak in him still!!

Both Kesar and Dushy have extreme emotions in them. While Kesar is still coming to terms with his love for Gulaal...Dushy has been to the brink of his obsession for her and come back to sanity...but both of them have this extreme element in them when it comes to Gulaal.

Anjal, he does see Kesar as a younger brother, but I don't think he fully patronizes him either...not to the extent that Gulaal has many times...D does give Kesar more respect than Raman really gives him...but you do make me think...everything that D has done...relating to his decision in the panchayat regarding the DV, him having a talk with Kesar when Kesar was about to leave and then bringing him back for Gulaal's vrat...somewhere it has been part of the redemption thing only...making it up to Gulaal in a sense, right? All his actions over the years have been towards that only...like he even says to Gulaal for a bit after she comes home in majboori that he feels bad that the panchayat's decision is the reason for this haalat of hers...so there's a lot we can take from there to wonder what exactly D's reaction would be to see Gulaal falling in love with Kesar when she has always claimed that there can be no one in her life other than Vasant.

I like how you put it in the last paragraph regarding the similarities in K and D...yes, Gulaal has in a sense brought out extreme emotions in both of them...but then Kesar toh was extreme to begin with when it came to Gulaal😆...let's not forget he hit her with a stone the first time he saw her🤣...but yeah all jokes apart, that element is common to an extent and also interestingly both men have ultimately risen in their love for Gulaal...what sets Kesar apart though that the bond he shares with Gulaal is something D could and never will have...it's just fact.

Originally posted by: scarletthara
The dynamics of the brother's relationship is bound to change when Gulaal finally falls in love with Kesar... Dushyant has accepted the fact that Gulaal cannot let go of Vasant and hence feels that she can never go beyond him (Vasant)... but when he sees her feeling for Kesar, it is bound to ignite his feeling of rejection... which had led to the horrible abduction stint...

I don't think that Dushyant will go back to being a full-fledged villain again, the whole 10-year redemption process will be wasted then. However, there would be some interesting changes in the equation between the trio for sure. Gulaal had chosen to do DV with Kesar instead of him 10 years ago, and this had hurt his ego, but this will be a bigger blow when he realises that she has given him a place in her heart the way he had yearned for ages... If Talli is also there in the picture, then it wil add to the overall masala of the show... I can't predict how these two would react, but it would not be all goody goody for sure...

Totally agree with you on this, Minks (that's your name, right?)

Something will shift when D sees Gulaal falling for Kesar and giving him that place in her heart that he had resigned himself to never getting and figured no one else would either...I don't think it can be easy "benevolent and happy bade bhaiyya" type reaction either...but at the same time not really a villainous reaction either...but yeah it's not something he will feel happy about either...some hurt, some old resentment will surface on his part too...

But everything aside, D knows he never stood a chance given the fact that he murdered Vasant too...that will always hang over his head. In all this, yes if he married Talli the masala element would be upped big time😆

Btw I don't think D ever meant to RAPE Gulaal...I don't know but the way I watched that epi when he kidnapped her...he seemed more interested in forcing her to MARRY him...yes his love for her always otherwise seemed more on the lusty side the way he grabbed her hand that one night or tried to cosy up to her post Vasant's death and all...but in the actual kidnapping scene when he has her tied up, to me it didn't seem like he'd rape her...he did release her from the ropes as soon as she asked for it.

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Lennie

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Posted: 14 years ago

#25

Great discussion 😊

I want to say something but dont know what, coz mostly everything has been said

D's angle for now, its brushed aside - and i mean the whole thing, just like it has been for 10 years, and from Gulaal and D's pov, they think it will never come out, but something they will always have to live with, despite moving ahead and G and D having the certain respect and line to their equation with each other

As for Kesar, he has put it to the aside, what really bugged him for the 10 yrs was mostly Gulaal knowing about it, keeping it quiet, and not doing anything about it 'that shook him' - we all saw how he battled with his emotions and anger for her to that factor and then the other factor was what if there is more to G and D - which i feel at the lakeside made it somewhat clear to Kesar there is nothing there, coz of what Gulaal said to him ' she is Vasants, and only he has rights on her' and ''and not to doubt her in what she did' - these claims laid rest in Kesar that nothing was there and nothing is, even if he sees D and G's interactions today. Throughout Kesar's return it has been about Gulaal and the past, and battling with those emotions why he couldnt hate her and why is it that his faith on her still remained intact, even with doubts and wavering shaking it, his faith i find never really broke in terms of Gulaal and to Gulaal, coz he knew her so well. Not once i say, harsh as it may sound that Kesar battled with D killing Vasant, that fact never took priority as such - with D it was pure hate, no feelings other then anger and hate arised in that aspect, coz we knew his inner battle was in connection with Gulaal

I say faith played a big role and emotion in Kesar towards Gulaal, coz if that broke - then today there would be no Kesar as Kesar and no Kesar-Gulaal, and how he sees and saw Gulaal in the last 10 yrs he battled with, he couldnt even hate her to the full extent as such - even if he did, all that hate just said LOVE

One day i hope Kesar and Gulaal talk about this, only coz Kesar asked her questions at the lakeside which he did deserves to know answers to why she did what she did, even if Kesar know subconsciously it was coz of the family and Vasant, there has to come a point where these two talk about it, and Gulaal feel the need to share it whenever the moment comes - and get through this together, and work at it together, Kesar i find will try and understand what he needs to - esp if Gulaal explains

As for now Kesar is cordial with D in that respect who he is as in Dushyantbha to him and so on - thats all Kesar can give him, in that respect until something shakes Kesar's stance regarding D and how he is with him, which is natural

I stil feel certain events will unfold to ever getting the truth out how and why is the question, then we can predict how it will do

Durgesh knows, he can threatened them

D confessing - long shot, but you never know

D - you can never forget what this man did and the reason Gulaal life took such a turn and made a widow, her Vasant being not here, but you can see how he has lived in the 10 yrs and yes at times you do feel for him, but you know he deserves it and thats his life

I think if D's dynamic has to change, it will be either JK//Raman stirring or/and as Nur mentioned Gulaal and Kesar coming together - i dont think D ever thought Gulaal would fall in love, he has seen she has lived for Vasant and Vasant only, and thinks for Kesar there is only affection stemming from 10 yrs - really i think even in real life no one would think Gulaal could and would fall in love and that to with Kesar, and i do think D's stance will change, i mean not go totally evil types, but it will bug him which could lead to certain emotions and feelings arising - but then i do see him if he does have those happening, he will keep them intact - which will bug him even more , i keep thinking back to that look he had at the musical concert - do i see it again, maybe yes i do if it goes the way we are saying

D most probably still loves Gulaal, but fully knowing his feelings cant ever come out so are laid to rest in a way, and the only feeling he can get across to Gulaal is just respect... a certain line he cant ever cross

D still needs punishment and i mean not jail punishment, but punishment and everything he gets from PB and MB, whatever they dish out to him - he deserves it, for me that the only punishment left for him to take

And if D/Talli happen - well that just shakes everything, its an intriguing angle, if it happens...

Edited by Lennie - 14 years ago

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Aeryn

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Posted: 14 years ago

#26

Interesting post JZephyr.

This is a complex matter. My understanding of it goes like this:

Over a decade Kesar lived with the knowledge that Dushyant was responsible for Vasant's death. He accepted his death but is still troubled by the circumstances in which it happened. During that 10 years what was troubling Kesar the most was Gulaal's stance in the matter. How come SHE (of all people) can be so lenient towards Vasant's murderer. Vasant someone who was so dear to both of them, why letting his culprit go so easily? Obviously he took it as betrayal but his trust for her made him not utter a word to anyone else. However it was not sufficient for him to forgive Dushyant thus the hostility towards him when he came back home.

I think his 'putting the Dushyant issue' aside comes to two things. Gulaal has never explained why she chose to cover Dushy. All those rumors of Gulaal-Dushyant made him doubt the integrity of Gulaal hence his rudeness towards both at some point. But now that he made peace with the fact that there is nothing of the sorts between these two, he is back to 'Gulaal must have a good reason for staying silent, let's trust her and not let out that bomb just yet'. Plus having now put such doubts aside, he himself has come to see what Dushy is now. Dushyant proper dealing of the deeyarvattu issue, he fulfilling properly/with integrity the role of sarpanch and son of the family must have somehow mollified Kesar somewhat. That image of perfect rock of the family in direct opposition to just the knowledge of Dushy murdering Vasant (he hasn't seen Vasant being murdered and that for me made the knowledge of Dushyant's deed less impactful. The notion of it less concrete than the image he had (his caring brother) and has now of Dushyant.). The responsible son in Kesar has maybe come to the decision that destroying the fragile equilibrium of the family for something that happened 10 years ago and cannot be changed is not worth it. If Dushy has really changed and is such a support to the family, why bring chaos? now might be his line of thought.

I expect Kesar to be cordial in his dealings with Dushyant until something arises again to made him doubt the sincerity of Dushyant's redemption. I don't think Kesar or Gulaal will bring the Vasant mystery out nor do I want them to. Either Raman or Durgesh can do it and then Kesar's reaction will depend on his perception of Dushy. If his redemption still seems to not be a sham in Kesar's eyes I think he might side with Gulaal to make the family forgive him.

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