27th June - Meri Mann/Atma Kahi Door Hai (Kes-Gul)

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Hey all

I want to get my thoughts out there before seeing the episode, i watched last week's episodes again to get a better feel of Kesar (esp right now) and so on, coz he is the one who is niggling me lol, also yesterday in the UK, they put todays and tomorrow's episode on (not sure why) as UK are a week behind, so i got to see Gulaal leaving home again, and Kesar confessing his love in front of them all, and Kesar going to Gulaal's maayke and so on...
About Kesar - whether we like it or not, Kesar is acting well how do i say it desperate, and i say this coz he has lost his intensity in how we all know Kesar has, where Kesar is his intensity best (i personally love his intensity), but what is coming across is desperation (which aint doing him any favours, just making things more worse and so on), and his forcing Gulaal to come back and so on, and not giving her space, time and what not...
You know why i pick out Kesar's faults or wrong he does (is that the right words to use, i dont know) or rather Kesar's things he does and so on, its not about picking on him its coz i care about him coz he could be so much more, and how he comes across to ppl, and also coz you want him to be the man, we all know he is capable of that and could be so much more... and he has and could have a better way to reach Gulaal, mostly her heart...
The thing is the way Kesar is behaving is not right - well not sensible, we all agree on that, but do you know what it looks like from Gulaal's pov - its exactly what she said about his feelings - Its Lagao, its attachment and this is what is coming across to her, and one of the reason she is distant and so on, and wall built up around her even more, (and how she resents it everytime he says love, she actually feels insulted or shall i say violated... thats why she considers it a paap and the other issues like V's bro and so on) - and says if i stay away from him and so on, his feelings he calls love will go away/fade...
The way he begs and pleads, is kinda exactly like Kesar use to do when she was leaving home and so on, or didnt get his own way - atleast back then Gulaal use to handle it and get him in control, right now its so hard - coz he isnt an child, he is adult but he is behaving like a child in a sense - the attachment is showing to Gulaal, in demanding her to come home and so on...
He needs to be a man, a one that is mature - Kesar is capable of being mature and so on, but right now its not showing, its like he is dependent on Gulaal, and he needs her support and so on... but he needs to start thinking of what he's exactly doing and what is it causing other ppl to think of him as and what other ppl are seeing of him going off the rails.. all they will see is a guy who is selfish, forcing and so on, making a tamasha...

You know Kesar needs a goal in his life, i know ppl say that why does everyone want him to be Vasant, true - but the thing is there is nothing wrong in being Vasant, in the sense having a goal like Vasant did, for his village, for his ppl, for his family (Vasant was entirely for that, and Kesar isnt but there is nothing wrong in doing some bits and bobs in that area...)... thats how i prefer Kesar to be in the sense of Vasant, fulfilling some things that Vasant wanted atleast doing something in that section, standing up and giving support, and this very support and support in general term is the very thing a woman needs from a man... Gulaal all these years has been on her own, supporting the family, and whoever - who has she been leaning on for support Vasant in a way, his memories and so on... but thats not support thats just relying on it
Kesar needs to learn how to support a woman, and be beside her - not opposite of her (despite how much Gulaal doesnt budge, but a change in tactics and Kesar being atleast responsible, and appreciating, mature, doing things - you know like winning a heart, winning respect, winning a name, meaning ppl remember Kesar as Kesar, making a name of himself (not ppl remember him as mostly Vasant's bro or Motabha's son and so on) - not only does the other ppl find it good, but you in yourself will feel good as well)
Winning her heart is the way to go about it... and knowing the depth of love and meaning of it and what it really means
Gulaal as i say has a long journey in whatever state she is in, and its one where she has built herself - like a routine machine, she thinks she can live like this, all her life and this will be life... she isnt exactly living, but existing - coz she has seen no life behind those 4 walls of her house, and all i can say is her dad said the right things to her, it wasnt forcing but just a general talk as such... as said in another thread, Gulaal is all about fulfilling Vasant's dream and promises which he told her and made and shared with her, and she also had some dreams of her own, esp with Vasant, but those certain dreams were left unfulfilled, and when that happens, a person tries to fulfill other ppl's dreams and so on and live for others then oneself...
Bottomline is, Gulaal doesnt need to change as a person, just her pov on her life and moving forward... and so on, which alot of things can come into as well as you know, whilst Kesar has got what it takes to be so much more, coz he already has those inner qualities that make him who he is and so on which we all like, but he could be so much more added on that... biggest change not even change but a natural thing for any person in being responsible i guess to happen i think Kesar has to go through 😊
TODAY'S EPISODE
I dont think i have any words to say about Yogesh, ok i get it that he doesnt like what just happened at his work place, but the way he goes on and on, and not even once respecting his sister and her dilemma, in the sense what she is going through, what she has lost, what she just had to go through like her dad says, do you have any idea and so on, and the way he is speaking, thats all i will say on Yogesh, though i think little by little even though Gulaal knows and thinks everything is happening coz of her, she i feel will in the end will go back, it will be HER choice and decision, whatever reason it might, one of that will be seeing her family suffering and so on
What was Kesar writing or drawing? you know i think Sudha has given him a kinda eye-opener in himself, obviously i am not going to chat about her going on and on about Talli and so on and how she sees Gulaal and that, but what Sudha said that dont mess up your life, coz dont we all want Kesar to make his life and so on, built it up - do something, make his name and so on... right now he needs a talk for him to snap out of his desperation denial mood in i am going to get Gulaal back, esp in the way he is going about it, which we all know isnt quite the right way - what i loved is that Kesar cant take anyone talking against Gulaal and saying stuff about her, and blaming her, he would prefer if ppl were blaming him and so on, then saying anything about her (but whether he sees it or not, thats what he has with going to the sarpanch in a way, if we look at the bigger picture) and yes it was harsh what Sidha says that Gulaal doesnt care for him, and maybe just maybe this is what Kesar needs to come out of his withdrawel i guess, and the more times he sees and some other ppl say it, like Gulaal did as well - that she didnt come back for him, it might just snap him out of whatever he is in... and we see another Kesar (coz there loads of sides to Kesar as we know)
I really like the scene where Gulaal is looking at Vasant's picture, and thinking of the flashbacks, because it seemed a determined Gulaal who has made some sort of decision, on what she will do next, no crying, no looking sad, and just a sullen figure
Last half of this episode esp the last scene between Kes-Gul was brilliant, it had everything in it
What i liked about Gulaal is, that she was straight to the point, why she's back, what made her, and who for and why... and a talk on what Kesar has made her feel and did to her... and its the only way i feel Kesar will finally see it and feel it - seeing as he thinks she is back for him, despite it being hurtful as well - sometimes its needed for another person to grow into a better man then they are and this is what Kesar needs... he is capable of it and also still have that certain barrier between them, with the love confession hanging over them
I knew Gulaal would only come back if it was HER own decision and choice, even if she was majboor by it, and she was as she says she had to come seeing as both the families were suffering and so on, and honour was at stake... and i do think that what Gulaal said was right when she left the house, she took everything with her, thats why now that she has come back something just isnt their entirely (i believe i guess someone said this last week, it was kinda closure for Gulaal/Vasant if we think about it the way she left and so on, and now she says today she is back coz of Kesar, but not for him) whether Kesar likes it or not, what Gulaal said today was needed in so many ways and for many reasons as well, and yes it was meant to be harsh...
I feel like i wont to justice to last half of this episode esp the last scene, coz those two scenes spoke volumes on Gulaal's state of mind, and what she had lost and what is not there with her anymore when she stepped out of the house last week, and also Kesar needed this... for his own good mostly, its not to insult him and nitpick on him as a character but for his own good he needed this...
Last scene was something else altogether, loved it and again was meant to be harsh and so real as well, for both - coz Gulaal i guess is defeated in how Kesar has behaved over the last few days and his zidd has taken her to this moment and coming back, and only wanted her back for himself seeing as this is what he kept saying in a way to her, and the desperation acts he did and going to file a complaint, and not only that Gulaal's emotions are flying around, and she is filled with anger in her... and the words that were coming out of her about he can do anything to her, now she is here, and he wants a pati, was her being in anger and so on which we saw...
I totally get why Gulaal did what she did, and so on - but we all know Kesar's idea in having her back home wasnt for that or having a total proper patni/pati relationship (even i dont believe Gulaal thinks that entirely, its just she is so tired, and like she says her atma seems to be killed by him and like she says her soul is left somewhere else when she left that house and so on, all she has here is her body/jism whilst her thoughts and mind is somewhere, so far away... - thats why such harsh behaviour in telling Kesar to do what he wants she is in front of him and so on) and i am glad that Kesar said do you even realise what you are saying and so on, and how can she even think like that... and that too about him that he would do that... (i am pretty sure even Gulaal didnt fully think of Kesar to do that as well) and then seeing Gulaal totally breaking down said in all and so did Kesar's walking out as well... finally i am glad they had this scene at the start, then having it built up and so on
I liked Gulaal explaining to him, what love really is - what the meaning of selfless love is, and what love mounts to... coz she explained it well, and its what i had been saying about love as well, Love is selfless, in love it doesnt matter the distance, or time, its not about force or based on bets and so on... and like she says its one of the reason why she is alive and somewhat living is coz that is what she has for Vasant, that kind of love.
Just like Revji baapji said Gulaal said the same thing to him, that he loves himself... is that right or wrong, i say both coz whether we like it or not.. Kesar's behaviour has been like that lately and alot of things come into, which i wont go through with it, but i think Gulaal explained the overall meaning of love
Harsh it might of been the last scene and the words Gulaal said, it was needed esp for Kesar, give him an certain eye-opener to things about her and Vasant, Gulaal herself, pati/patni ka rista, his zidd to what it has become, what love is... and so on, and if Kesar dwells on it, it will make so much sense to him on what Gulaal is trying to say and has said, and why she is the who she is and the way she is and how she is...
His love is deep and so much more, we all know that but she doesnt as such esp the way he has behaved and done - i guess it is time for Kesar to win her heart however long it takes and so on...
Also she i am thinking is she gonna go back to her bedroom or what after what just happened 😕
Som things do stick out to me, is that today she has come back in this house coz of Kesar (despite her saying not for him, the main thing is she is back coz of him) and she has come in the sense as Kesar's patni, seeing as she was determined and so angry when she did what she did in the last scene... so all in all i see a Kesar/Gulaal chapter in the house and so on
Again i will say it - Loved the second half of this episode esp the last scene 😊
PRECAP - I am actually fed of Sudha's nitpicking, i mean talk about being petty, and also playing on Gulaal's guilt as well, we all know Gulaal feels guilty on what has happened with Talli, but i dont think Talli sees it that way, and Sudha is just making it worse in not listening to what Talli has been trying to say to her and so on... and looks like Kesar is looking on
I have burned my tomorrow,
And I stand inside today...
At the edge of the future,
And my dreams all fade away...

And burn my shadow away...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Lovely post, Lennie.

I agree with you that Kesar needs to behave more maturely now...He's calmed down and I'm seeing some thehraav since Gulaal has come back so maybe the events are already in motion...I feel they need to give better dialogues to Kesar to explain his situation better too...today also he was just quiet for the most part as Gulaal said so much to him...it was only in the end that he retorted when she made that cheap accusation at him.

Otherwise he seems to be quite consumed with guilt now...so he's not saying much to her...Gulaal is basically losing her mind in the same way that he was a few days back without her presence...that is why she is spewing out nonsense now...while interestingly Kesar has just started to get his mind back cuz his anchor i.e. Gulaal is back.

I think a new phase is about to begin...Kesar always gets his balance back once Gulaal is back...so all this desperation from the previous days that has led to a lot of ppl labeling him as childish and selfish in love...I think Kesar will emerge from all this and gain more maturity.

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: nureat01

Lovely post, Lennie. Thanks😊

I agree with you that Kesar needs to behave more maturely now...He's calmed down and I'm seeing some thehraav since Gulaal has come back so maybe the events are already in motion...I feel they need to give better dialogues to Kesar to explain his situation better too...today also he was just quiet for the most part as Gulaal said so much to him...it was only in the end that he retorted when she made that cheap accusation at him. Kesar does need to behave maturely, in the sense have mature thoughts in the name of his love for Gulaal, coz thats is what is somewhat lacking, that he hasnt quite understood the depth of his love, and what love on the whole is meant to be like... i think in a way Kesar needed to listen to what she was saying but its good that he said how the hell can you think like that and so on (even though Gulaal knows herself she was talking nonsense in the sense she knows that Kesar isnt that gira hua)

Otherwise he seems to be quite consumed with guilt now...so he's not saying much to her...Gulaal is basically losing her mind in the same way that he was a few days back without her presence...that is why she is spewing out nonsense now...while interestingly Kesar has just started to get his mind back cuz his anchor i.e. Gulaal is back. Gulaal seems to have lost abit of herself when she left this house as she told them all today, and look at what has happened and you see that in the bedroom scene as well, she really thinks that Kesar paagalpan and ziddd is just wanting her for himself like that, which isnt - but from Gulaal's pov - his paagalpan has made her think of it that way lol

I think a new phase is about to begin...Kesar always gets his balance back once Gulaal is back...so all this desperation from the previous days that has led to a lot of ppl labeling him as childish and selfish in love...I think Kesar will emerge from all this and gain more maturity. I also agree that a new phase is about to start as well, and i had a feeling mostly it will have to be about Kesar emerging as something more and gain maturity, a good step and so on by the writers, coz last week was all about Kesar actually looking childish and behaving like one and also the way he painted his love as well

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Posted: 14 years ago
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gulaal is being very harsh but kesar also needs to set a goal for himself as yu very rightly hav mentioned in yur post
he is sort of instigating n irritating her by being sch an obsessed lover
kesar needs to grow up
love needs to be his strenght nt weakness...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: mystikal

gulaal is being very harsh but kesar also needs to set a goal for himself as yu very rightly hav mentioned in yur post

he is sort of instigating n irritating her by being sch an obsessed lover
kesar needs to grow up
love needs to be his strenght nt weakness...

Gulaal very harshly presented the things he has been jabbering on about lately, she is his patni seeing as he says i have always seen you as my wife, he loves her, he wants her back... she only harshly gave him a reality check look here she is, i am your wife, this is what you wanted so on... Kesar needs to learns what exactly love is, what he feels is love but to understand it and also understand a man/woman relation - a man loving an woman (right now we could say its more of a boy loving a woman)
And the thing he calls love, he needs to realise it himself what it is and the depth of it
He needs a goal, he needs to be a man...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Superb Lennie 👏...awesome as usual👏 ..you say it so well gal...nothing to say as such⭐️
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Posted: 14 years ago
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very beautifully written each perspective, I totally agree with you as I think the same way and honestly how much I like to see Kes-Gul together, I totally respect Gulaal's point of view and her standing. I am honestly much in favor of Gulaal specially after Kesar's ruthless actions though I love Kesar.

Let's see how it will unfold in the short amount of time.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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As always...great post!

All I want to add is it seems like the tables have turned. When Kesar had come back, he was so rude to Gulaal (of course he had his reasons) and he made her cry so many times. At that point Kesar had been under the impression that Gulaal and Dush were having an affair and I always felt that if Gulaal actually found out what Kesar thinks about her and Dushyant, she would have either slapped him or said something like..."tune apnee Gulaal to itnaa giraa diyaa?"

When Kesar had confronted Gulaal and announced that she just wanted to get him married to Talli so her way would be clear for Dushyant...she did slap him! Now she is equating his love to lust as well...and though he did not slap her...his reaction was strong enough!! Today, Gulaal does not believe that Kesar loves her and though her reasons were absolutely justified...what she does not understand is that everyone's way of love is different. Gulaal was always the selfless one and Kesar cannot be anything but selfish when it comes to Gulaal. He wants her all to himself and he has always loved her like that...

I loved the last scene. I was expecting this scene and believe if Gulaal had not done all this today...in a few days, JK would have started her rants about how Gulaal should move in Kes's room, how they should start their pati patni relationship! All this was bound to happen because Gulaal has been forced to come back so I had no doubt that she would be angry and all the anger would be directed at Kesar!

What I don't like one bit is the way Sudha has turned. At the moment, the way she tries to instigate Kesar...I see glimpses of the older episodes when Dush was in love with Gulaal and Sudha would leave no stones unturned in instigating Dushy! Today's scene with Kesar was such a sense of deja-vu...I suppose old habits die hard and Sudha has always been an evil person. Lets just hope that Paanbaa, Kesar, MB and this time even JK rise to support Gulaal...

We have always seen a happy, sacrificing, selfless Gulaal...now we are going to see her like Kesar when he returned after the leap...angry and short tempered with Kesar! All I wanted was that Gulaal comes back and my wish has been granted...so looking forward to what Kesar will do next...to make her believe that he truly loves her!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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oh my god. wow! yes, i loved the last scene too.. i esp. loved when she told him that she is hers in "that" way, and kesar's reaction, cos it finally cleared up why she thought of it as paap. omg. she's been thinking of D's forcing himself upon her those years ago, and poor kesar has to suffer..😭 and i really liked when she explained the extent of how unselfish love can be, cos even though kesar loves her with his intentions completely pure, that love is tainted with possessiveness, selfishness, resentment, etc. now that he has a clearer picture, i am sure he'll mend his ways. 😳 now i am awaiting the moment when gul shall realise that kesar is kesar. he isn't vasant, nor is he remotely close to D. i think kesar will find the diary very soon. and then he'll explain to her probably that he isn't D. OMG,I CANT WAIT FOR TOMORROW!

and i hate sudha.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Originally posted by: nureat01

Lovely post, Lennie.

I agree with you that Kesar needs to behave more maturely now...He's calmed down and I'm seeing some thehraav since Gulaal has come back so maybe the events are already in motion...I feel they need to give better dialogues to Kesar to explain his situation better too...today also he was just quiet for the most part as Gulaal said so much to him...it was only in the end that he retorted when she made that cheap accusation at him.

Otherwise he seems to be quite consumed with guilt now...so he's not saying much to her...Gulaal is basically losing her mind in the same way that he was a few days back without her presence...that is why she is spewing out nonsense now...while interestingly Kesar has just started to get his mind back cuz his anchor i.e. Gulaal is back.

I think a new phase is about to begin...Kesar always gets his balance back once Gulaal is back...so all this desperation from the previous days that has led to a lot of ppl labeling him as childish and selfish in love...I think Kesar will emerge from all this and gain more maturity.



Absolutely agree! She just needs to be around him and he starts thinking logically. This track is going to be so interesting because she will do everything to push him away and he will do everything to bring her close and make her believe that his love is not some kind of puppy love!

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