Hope Take 3 - December 9, 2010

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Hope Take 3

Manav The Ghar Jamai

I think that the term "Ghar Jamai" has been misrepresented by the CVs and in a very unfair manner to Manav. My understanding of a "Ghar Jamai" is a man who chooses to as a condition of marriage take up residence as the son-in-law of the home PERMANENTLY or in some cases for AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME (like several months or years). This arrangement is frowned upon in conservative Indian society because it brings into question the capacity and ability of the man to be primary provider for his family and is seen as having the potential of emasculating him by taking away his decision-making ability as the man of the house. Manav's situation is not that of a "traditional" ghar jamai and this is where I see the unfair misrepresentation by CVs. Manav is not a ghar jamai. He is a "visiting" jamai. There is a difference. He is staying on a "temporary" visit with the Ks while his wife is convalescing. Just like he was on a "temporary" visit when he attended to participate for Varsha's wedding. He is not paying the Ks for his visit because he is visiting family member not a permanent resident at Dombivili. No one expected him to pay when he attended Varsha's wedding. Paying your host, especially when that host is family, for a temporary visit is seen as a big insult in our culture. I believe that the misrepresentation coupled with the overdramatized reactions of both Ks and Ds has created an erroneous perception about Manav's status.

I still believe that Manav was correct in accepting Sulochana's offer considering Archana's weakened state and the need for constant care during convalescence. I am not even offended by Manav choosing to help the K family doing some outdoor chores. That is actually considerate behaviour not servitude as presented by Savita. My husband has often assisted my parents when we were visiting and I have done the same to his.

What I do not appreciate is the Cvs not showing Manav use some of his time to find a job. CVs as suggested yesterday - classified sections of major newspapers is a good place to start, also door to door job hunting. Try it. Might be refreshing.

Contrary to what Savita said, I do not believe that Manav is a chamcha for Archana. The basic fact is like it or not (past shikveh gileh aside) Archana is Manav's wife. Taking care of her as he sees fit is his responsibility. He is fulfilling it to the best of his ability. I am not going to blame him for refusing to act like Superman. Though CVs again - if he gets a job the situation will be even more defendable. Seriously, job hunting - consider it.

Savita and Manav

Did Savita have a right to be upset today? In my opinion No and Manav stated all the reasons. To have an expectation from a son, you need to first care for the person as a son. Manav has always been a responsible child, yet his dutiful actions towards his mother were not reciprocated. If Manav was able to offer comfortable care to Archana in his family home and THEN choose to instead accept Sulochana's offer at his wife's insistence, then I would say that Savita's affront may have been warranted. But that is not the case now is it? So let's be fair Savita.

I was very proud of Manav today. He spoke his mind but did so respectfully and firmly. Manav has always known Savita's tough side, has accepted whatever portions of love she has offered and abided by her wishes (quite often at great hardship and to his detriment). Everyone has a breaking point though and after many moons, Savita encountered Manav's. Was I happy to see a son talk back to his mother? Generally speaking No. But did his words hold echoes of truth? Yes. Well then enough said.

Dharmesh ' The Master Manipulator Or Not

Dharmesh is seen as Manav's nemesis. He is seen as one of the new villains. Over here, I have a different take.

Dharmesh entered the picture way after the divorce and when Archana was in Bangalore, reconstructing her life. She came back more stable than she left and it was this improvement/stability that caused Dharmesh to be impressed enough to offer her a job in his office. To understand my take you have to see things from HIS point of you instead of ArMan's.

His POV - Manav was not a relative anymore, he did not know this man from Adam so he never cared for him one way or another. He was naturally cautious about him when he found out that he was employed with Archu (this was natural as emotional baggage was bound to have an effect on any two people who were once married). Archu's behaviour later did not help matters. What Dharmesh did to protect himself against Manav, I have already noted in my Let's Hear It for the Boys thread, so will not repeat it.

Dharmesh GENUINELY believes that Manav has played on Archana's feelings and duped her into marriage. He does not know Manav well so in my mind this assumption and his experience with Manav to date does not make this belief so far-fetched (whether we like it or not). In his opinion, since marriage Archu has walked away from her family (against her conservative values), willingly lived in poverty, and ruined her health. In comparison, Manav is now living in a home better than his chawl home or basti home and is gradually reintroducing himself into the comforts of the K home (again considering Dharmesh's opinion of Manav this is not so far-fetched). If I thought my sister and now my family was being duped by a con artist, I too would take steps to salvage whatever I could before the con artist walked away with everything. In the opinion of those who support ArMan, he is an evil manipulator but if you think neutrally his advice does not seem so conniving.

He has suggested a) that they do not engage with the con artist and keep a safe distance b) to claim a property share for the other K children to ensure that if the con artist is successful the damage is limited to only a portion of the family holdings. If Manav was truly a con artist, then this approach would have been a very practical one (unlike Manjusha who is the real evil manipulator and wants to take ALL the property and dupe Sulo and Manohar). I am sure that his intent is not to throw Sulo or Mano out on the streets. There are many in India who have an inherent sense of entitlement to their parents' property. I am not one of these people and all those who share a similar sentiment as I would be equally outraged by his suggestion. But Dharmesh and all the K siblings(?) (except Archu) fall in the first category of people. We must remember this.

In Closing, they say that angels are visible in the faces of children. Today we saw one in Punni. She may be Manjusha and Vinod's daughter but Archana's and Sulochana's involvement in the foundational years of her life has managed to leave a positive mark. She was truly a ray of sunshine for Arhcu today

Hope

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Posted: 14 years ago
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vry nice write up
i lovd it.
d best part ws


In Closing, they say that angels are visible in the faces of children. Today we saw one in Punni. She may be Manjusha and Vinod's daughter but Archana's and Sulochana's involvement in the foundational years of her life has managed to leave a positive mark. She was truly a ray of sunshine for Arhcu today


i lovd punni 2day she ws a fresh air coz ys episod ws full of hatred,insults,blames,conspiracy

i truly feel dharmesh s inteferrin a lot he shud concentret on his busness

n manju she s nothin bt 🤬 she s d 1 4m where tis whole crap started she deserv slap



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Posted: 14 years ago
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Great write up Hope....Agree on all...
I have lil diff take on FBD...I do get what you wrote about FBD and his take on Manav as he never knew him from b4...
Asking for share in property is something premature and surprising...It is not his place to ask for share...Vaishu is the one who can ask but not him...I dont see him being any genuine person looking out for anyone...His character is destroyed also by CVs...
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I agree with everything but not your opinion on Dharmesh. If you do not know a person well enough then you shut your mouth and keep watching what is happening rather than poking your nose. And the fact that he is cunning is proved by the fact that for a general discussion he called all the siblings and where it came to property matters he chose to call only Vinod and Manjusha because he probably knows that his argument might not go down well with Varsha. This shows that his only motive in life is to get rid of Manav by hook or crook.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Extremely well written Hope .I am very proud of you , you are doing such a fantastic job these days with your analysis ...
Whatever you said about Savita is very very true .I think this is exactly what you wanted Manav to tell his mother , you had specified in your post yesterday and the guy did exactly that , in his own respectable and dignified style .Manav ...biwi ka chamcha ??? 😲...yeah right ,
Don't make me laugh Savita .
His wife cannot even sleep next to him though she is perhaps dying to do so , because Manav himself is not ready for that.
A one time he really yelled at her ....well, she was asking for it .
About Dharmesh , I don't know Hope .Archcna is a big girl . He has to stop interfering in her life .He too left his mandap and did a love marriage so what if Archan married the man she loved ...
Dharmesh is interfering way too much I think ....
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Agree with most part of ur post. Manav was brilliant n made my day. I was complaining yesterday how i still find him a bit thanda when it comes 2 dealing with his provocative mom but 2day he said it all n how!! He was calm, didn't yell at all n his expressions said it all. He was pained 2 hear his mom's cruel words 4 Archana. The woman went overboard with her saying that she'll distribute sweets if Archana dies😲😲😲 He was too gud telling her she has lost all right 2 get upset n taunt him since she has rejected him👏
I just dont agree with ur take on Dharmesh though.
Dharmesh was genuinely concerned abt Archu n wanted her 2 move in life at some point in time. But 2day he is a manipulator. He is constantly worried about his case n 4 him e getting Manav out of Archuz life seems 2 b his mission. But of course since Sulo didn't really appreciate his intervention the other day n told him diplomatically of course but in no uncertain terms that he shud leave ArMan alone, he got the msg n this is why he has changed his tactics.
His asking Vinod 2 ask 4 the distrubution of property is just scandalous 4 me. I dont think Vaishu n Varsha r interested in their parents' wealth if ever these poor things do possess some I have this much faith in them They may b angry now but they r not greedy. Vinod too isn't but he is dancing 2 his wife's tunes these days. He has 4gotten that he once said himself that his wife is a kutte ki Dum who wont change. Dharmesh has no right 2 ask 4 property. Cant find excuse 4 his action
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I would seriously be disappointed if the V gang goes ahead with dharmesh's idea ....
The way these three are acting these days , I can neither see the concern for their mom's well being nor for their sister's happiness
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Excellent analysis Hope 😃

My favourite part is what you wrote about Punni. She is a little angel 🤗 she takes after her grandfather and Archu.

Don't quite agree with your assessment of Dharmesh. All he cares about is saving his own b**t that is the main reason he wants Manav out of the picture. Manav is his sacrificial lamb.He went from not wanting to get involved to being the ringleader in matter of days.If there is anybody who can see right through Dharmesh's plan in the Venomous V gang, it would be Varsha.Vaishali has become too much of a rich bimbo and Vinod doesn't have brains, if he did he wouldn't still be married to the wicked witch.😡

PR is interesting to watch these days.Like you,want the CVs to show Manav looking for a job ASAP.

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I was waiting for the dissenting votes on Dharmesh😆😆

guys, dharmesh has always been a tough pitch

but I thought I would try anyways😆

ok will respond to many comments received before I leave for work
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Originally posted by: Dabulls23

Great write up Hope....Agree on all...

I have lil diff take on FBD...I do get what you wrote about FBD and his take on Manav as he never knew him from b4...
Asking for share in property is something premature and surprising...It is not his place to ask for share...Vaishu is the one who can ask but not him...I dont see him being any genuine person looking out for anyone...His character is destroyed also by CVs...



Varshu

I totally agree with you on the following:

its not his place to ask
it is extremely premature and actually very disrespectful to Sulo and Manohar and callous sounding

I think he meddlesome and domineering but I do not yet see him as conniving.

In my mind, he sees Manav as the crook not Jaywant - so he is reacting. I don't know if he is doing it for Sulo's benefit but I know his reasons are not self serving like jaywant's or Manjusha's. He is richer than the Ks and seems to have got that way with legitimate business actions so I guess what I am trying to say is that in order for me to see him as a conniving manipulator I would need to see if he continues to behave in this scheming way AFTER he finds out Jaywant is a crook

If he does then he loses all benefit of doubt in my mind and I totally agree with all those who call who differ with my opinion

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