Women more loyal?

Well i was talking to some people today and we were discussing it that when a man and a woman do something bad in our culture the woman gets blamed and we expect her to of better character and be loyal and good. But i said that those expectations are unfair (feminism-hells yeah) and why dont we ask the men to be good instead of women. The people said that men are unloyal by nature and they are incapable of being loyal to one woman. They are by nature cheaters and will deceive u. Women on the other hand by nature are loving and caring and thiis is why families r their responsibilities and because women are capable of "goodness" that is why its expected from them. What do u guys think r women really more loyal or have we been molded into this version of the ideal woman so the man can do whatever he wants and then say hey dont blame me i am naturally like this.
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Originally posted by: mkzara

Well i was talking to some people today and we were discussing it that when a man and a woman do something bad in our culture the woman gets blamed and we expect her to of better character and be loyal and good. But i said that those expectations are unfair (feminism-hells yeah) and why dont we ask the men to be good instead of women. The people said that men are unloyal by nature and they are incapable of being loyal to one woman. They are by nature cheaters and will deceive u. Women on the other hand by nature are loving and caring and thiis is why families r their responsibilities and because women are capable of "goodness" that is why its expected from them. What do u guys think r women really more loyal or have we been molded into this version of the ideal woman so the man can do whatever he wants and then say hey dont blame me i am naturally like this.
I vouch for the second

hey, i completely agree with u that it is the second option... it is just sooooooo easy for them to say sorry this is how we r and we cannot change... and u kno wat? all this stuff that science finds out abt testosterones (apparently men have 10 times the testosterone levels of a woman 😆😆) they just use this info to their advantage... i am talking abt sex and sexual deviance here... and they see we have these natural urges and we can't help them... but u kno in the olden days in india there used to be all these saints who used to meditate for years and they used to give up all these worldly pleasures... they were men too but they were not weak... a person shld not use nature as an excuse to hide their weakness...its not that men can't be loyal, i think they just don't want to be loyal

Originally posted by: seema_17

hey, i completely agree with u that it is the second option... it is just sooooooo easy for them to say sorry this is how we r and we cannot change... and u kno wat? all this stuff that science finds out abt testosterones (apparently men have 10 times the testosterone levels of a woman 😆😆) they just use this info to their advantage... i am talking abt sex and sexual deviance here... and they see we have these natural urges and we can't help them... but u kno in the olden days in india there used to be all these saints who used to meditate for years and they used to give up all these worldly pleasures... they were men too but they were not weak... a person shld not use nature as an excuse to hide their weakness...its not that men can't be loyal, i think they just don't want to be loyal

I TOTALLY AGREE WITH U GUYS, better stop the capitals now or mods wont like it.

its not fair, its always the women getting blamed...i mean the man does anything wrong ppl go up to the wife. its just not fair...ppl say that the world has changed now and men and women are treated the same, but its not true, and only a women can know that...if a husband and wife3 break up, whose fault is it? the womans, even if it really was or not...its always the womans, WHY?its just so unfair, whatever the husband does a wife has to forgive, but if the wife makes a mistake, the husband doesnt forgive, why not, just because he's a man...thats not fair, is it....some of u may not agree with me but im saying out of my personal experiance, with mi mum, and u guys may think im only saying it because ppl have been unfair with her, but its not only her there are loads and loads of women, out there who have split up with their husbands because of the husbands fault, but they r expected to forgive. WHY? its just not fair😡

To answer this question, you have to take the evolutionary biological processes into account. When it comes to reproduction, it is more costly for women than men. Women produce only one egg per month and after it is fertilized, they have to carry the baby for nine months. That's a lot of work which is why when women choose a partner, they make that decision after a lot of thinking. Thus, women are more attached to their children than men are therefore more loving and caring. That is also the reason why they are more likely to stay loyal.

In animal world, for a male, the more partners he has, the greater the fitness and the more dominant he is in the group. However, that has changed for humans as we became more civilized and monogamy has resulted. But those instincts are still in us.

However, I would not deny the fact that men have taken advantage of these qualities in women.

Yes i have heard people speak like this that its man's "fitrat "(nature) to cheat . I heard it in serials , and most recent heard Nikki Aneja talk like that in her interview with I-F.(Check it out .....i was personally shocked to hear a intelligent , modern woman talk such rubbish...........this is the woman i admire)

My opinion . Thats utter nonsense . I don't even for one second believe its man's nature to cheat . Yes , a man may have more sexual urge than a woman .........but that doesn't mean he can not control it and be loyal to his woman . Its similar to having bladder control - two men feel the urge to go in the middle of no where - one is educated and civilised and another uncivilised . The uncivilised doesn't care and empty's his bladder any where . While the civilised man will hold himself to find a toilet .( Disclaimer : this doesn't mean all educated men will refrain from using the streets as their personal toilet )

These words that men are born cheats was created and further promoted by cheating men to justify their wrong behaviour . And guess what it was fools who never thought and tried and understand it & fell for it .

Originally posted by: Aparna_BD

Yes i have heard people speak like this that its man's "fitrat "(nature) to cheat . I heard it in serials , and most recent heard Nikki Aneja talk like that in her interview with I-F.(Check it out .....i was personally shocked to hear a intelligent , modern woman talk such rubbish...........this is the woman i admire)

My opinion . Thats utter nonsense . I don't even for one second believe its man's nature to cheat . Yes , a man may have more sexual urge than a woman .........but that doesn't mean he can not control it and be loyal to his woman . Its similar to having bladder control - two men feel the urge to go in the middle of no where - one is educated and civilised and another uncivilised . The uncivilised doesn't care and empty's his bladder any where . While the civilised man will hold himself to find a toilet .( Disclaimer : this doesn't mean all educated men will refrain from using the streets as their personal toilet )

These words that men are born cheats was created and further promoted by cheating men to justify their wrong behaviour . And guess what it was fools who never thought and tried and understand it & fell for it .

Dear Aparna;

Well said, i agree with you for i firmly believe that no one is a cheat unless he gets and opportunity and a benefit to cheat, i also agree with you that no one is a born cheat it is the garb used to justify one misdemeanor, further i believe it is not the fools who fell for it, rather it is reverse such persons who cheat would become anything including fools so as to shield their wrongs.

Originally posted by: Aparna_BD

Yes i have heard people speak like this that its man's "fitrat "(nature) to cheat . I heard it in serials , and most recent heard Nikki Aneja talk like that in her interview with I-F.(Check it out .....i was personally shocked to hear a intelligent , modern woman talk such rubbish...........this is the woman i admire)

My opinion . Thats utter nonsense . I don't even for one second believe its man's nature to cheat . Yes , a man may have more sexual urge than a woman .........but that doesn't mean he can not control it and be loyal to his woman . Its similar to having bladder control - two men feel the urge to go in the middle of no where - one is educated and civilised and another uncivilised . The uncivilised doesn't care and empty's his bladder any where . While the civilised man will hold himself to find a toilet .( Disclaimer : this doesn't mean all educated men will refrain from using the streets as their personal toilet )

These words that men are born cheats was created and further promoted by cheating men to justify their wrong behaviour . And guess what it was fools who never thought and tried and understand it & fell for it .

i agree with you that men are not born cheats etc etc. but given the opportunity, more men succumb to temptations than women do. resistance, especially to sexual overtures are not something a male can easily not give into. they can resist everything except tempatations (like oscar wilde siad) more so the sexual variety. in that one aspect, women positively have more mental strength!

Originally posted by: jasunap

i agree with you that men are not born cheats etc etc. but given the opportunity, more men succumb to temptations than women do. resistance, especially to sexual overtures are not something a male can easily not give into. they can resist everything except tempatations (like oscar wilde siad) more so the sexual variety. in that one aspect, women positively have more mental strength!

Given an opportunity even a woman may have a week moment ....why just a man .But its the question of women have been told from birth that they must uphold all moral values more than men. But Men , as boys and kids are not told such things . Its made clear for a girl that we expect you to resist all sexual overtures .........its like a mantra most mothers feed their daughters . But are boys told the same . Nope !!! Hardly ever heard it . Women have more strength because parents tell them as little girls you must . If boys were told the same by their parents they just as well would.

Originally posted by: Aparna_BD

Given an opportunity even a woman may have a week moment ....why just a
man .But its the question of women have been told from birth that they
must uphold all moral values more than men. But Men , as boys and kids
are not told such things . Its made clear for a girl that we expect you
to resist all sexual overtures .........its like a mantra most mothers
feed their daughters . But are boys told the same . Nope !!! Hardly
ever heard it . Women have more strength because parents tell them as
little girls you must . If boys were told the same by their parents
they just as well would.

To any given behavior, there are biological factors as well as environmental factors. I agree that women from the very childhood are made to follow such norms, but you cannot ignore the biological factors responsible for the same.

Originally posted by: indiaforums1234

To any given behavior, there are biological factors as well as environmental factors. I agree that women from the very childhood are made to follow such norms, but you cannot ignore the biological factors responsible for the same.

I understand that there are biological factors but like the whole proof of us being able to say oh we have evolved was that we can control the natural urges and impulses. Yes some of them cannot be controlled such as "fight or flight" but we can think rationally (for most of us) and we dont have random sex (again most of us) but we think things through which is why we are a little smarter than animal so a man should also be able to do the same, he should think with his brain not with his- well u know what i mean. i think yeah men have more urges but they are capable of controlling them. the only thing is that they dont want to control them they dont want to be faithful and they use anything they can as an excuse. U know the worst part (most of u already mentioned this) is that women are expected to forgive the man i mean have u seen some indian shows all they show is husband and wife fight husband goes and sleeeps with someone else and the wife forgives the husband and the other woman gets blamed. Like in Reth shekhar slept with Netra but everyone forgave shekhar and Netra came off as the villian(i am not saying she isn't evil but she didn't steal shekhar from Jia, it was shekhar's fault he left cause he's not a child). If any of u watch Sindoor Tere Naam Ka u will understand what i am talking about. Vedika's father in law sleeps with a woman Sundari and cheats on his wife Kavitha and then when the woman gets pregnant he leaves her and when she comes back years later everyone blames her and no one blames the father in law, he's off the hook and his wife forgives him, yeah i get sundari is evil but that doesn't change the fact that the man is a lying-cheating-two-timing-bas***d. All we are taught from the day we r born girls should be good and men rn't taught that, that is teh only reason they can pretend oh this is teh way we r dont blame us. I believe a woman should leave her husband the day she finds out he cheated on her cause there is no excuse for cheating on ur wife. I mean if u r not happy divorce her but cheating when u r legally and morally bound to someone is wrong.