Do you think the Ramayan and Mahabharat are real?

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Do you think the Ramayan and Mahabharat are real?

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Do you think the Ramayan and Mahabharat are real? And why? Please explain your answer...😊

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Yes indeed, they are a part of our Ancient History....


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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: godisone

Do you think the Ramayan and Mahabharat are real? And why? Please explain your answer...😊



Interesting poll 😊

While the MB has been dated in recent past only which matches with the dates of Dwapar-Yuga, the dates of Ramayana are far too past to believe about the historicity.. The Treta-Yuga has ended long long ago, even before the first human appeared on earth..


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Posted: 16 years ago
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Aree....these are just story books...dont take it so seriously...there is no historical evidence for Mahabharat or Ramayan. Talk like a educated sensible person.......these is 100% fictional.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: d4u_here

Aree....these are just story books...dont take it so seriously...there is no historical evidence for Mahabharat or Ramayan. Talk like a educated sensible person.......these is 100% fictional.

While I totally respect your opinion, your statement is offending, because you are saying that anyone who believes in these stories are not educated. Many educated people themselves have written books pointing out proofs that clearly show that our great epics are real, and a great many of people from other religions have said that the Ramayana and Mahabharata have to have really happened, because of the number of evidences being found.
Oh, and there is tons of historical evidence of MB and Ramayan, which I can show you pics of if you want, and educated scientists and archeologists are the ones who found and acknowledged them.
Please do not call those who believe the historicity of our great epics un-educated and unsensible, because that is totally unfair. What exactly is education in your opinion? To not have belief in anything that science does not proove?
I am not angry at you, just offended by your statement, so please explain what you mean.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Oh, they definitely happened!⭐️ It's pure history, that's what. There's much too much evidence to ignore anyway.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I strongly believe the Ramayanam and the Mahabharatam really happened. I know they really happened, because so many contemporary people received the darshanam from Shri Rama and Shri Krishna, like Saint Tyagaraja, Bhadrachala Ramadasu, Tulsidas, Tukkaram, and many others. Also, the discovery of Lord Hanuman in the Himalayas a few years back prooves that the Ramayanam happened, and the discovery of the palace of Dwaraka several years ago prooves that the Mahabharatam really happened.
I'm so happy that more people believe that the Ramayanam and Mahabharatam really happened!!!!!!!!!!!!!😃
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: godisone

Many educated people themselves have written books pointing out proofs that clearly show that our great epics are real, and a great many of people from other religions have said that the Ramayana and Mahabharata have to have really happened, because of the number of evidences being found.



Please list your references.. I'd like to go through them in detail.. I've already analyzed most of your previous links and didn't find any truth in them.. most of them suffered from 'confirmation bias' and didn't provide any accurate description.. let's have more of them.. references that are peer-reviewed are the only true references.. because anyone, including me, can post anything on the Internet, but that is not a true reference.. there must be a consensus among the scientific community about the results..

btw, i fully agree that 'd4u_here' didn't choose the right words to describe his views.. No one has a right to make a comment on the religious views of anyone.. but apart from the choice of words, he is fully right. These are myths, not history.. and God should not need a proof of historicity.. they are beyond it..

Also, a person should not be judged about his religious views by his belief about the historicity of these epics.. It has been a general trend in India that anyone not believing in historical presence of Ram and Krishna should be labeled as an atheist which is far from truth.. I'm fully religious in my belief in God but I never ever mix that with history or science.. faith should remain faith, nothing else..
Edited by shyam.rathi - 16 years ago
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I am skeptical about their being truth and not fiction.

Let's look at the timings:
SCIENTIFIC FACTS
Origin of Universe(Big bang): 13,700 million years ago
Origin of Earth: 4,600 million years ago
Origin of Prokaryotes(Bacteria):3,600 million years ago
Dominance of Dinosaurs:period between 230 and 65 million years ago
Origin of Humans: 0.2 million years ago(200,000 yrs)

HINDU TIMELINE:
Kaliyuga: started ~3100BC to present(5100 years ago)
Dwapar yuga:started ~0.72 million years ago
Treta Yuga: started ~1.8 million years ago
Satya yuga: started ~3.2 million years ago

Ramayana written by Valmiki: ~400 BC(2,400 years ago)
Mahabharat written by Vyasa: ~800 BC(2,800 years ago)

So Ramayana was written at least 700,000 years after the actual event in Treta yuga. It is like writing a book about World WarII 7 lakhs years from now. Even mahabharat was written with a time lag of 2,300 years.(Writing about WW II in the year 4,300 AD).

Also as is evident above the scientific and mythological timeline for origin of the world and human are totally inconsistent. The oldest dinosaur fossil was found in Morocco was 180 million years old whereas the oldest human fossil discovered is only 160,000 years old. Please read about RADIOISOTOPE DATING to know how scientists come up with accurate figures.

The earliest HIndu mythology mentions is around 4 million years ago whereas earth by itself is 4.6 BILLION years old and forget about the universe(13.7 billion years).

Also the hindu sages donot mention anything about such essential phenomenon as Evolution of species, Quantum mechanics etc. so I presume they didn't know about it.


In a nutshell, in the light of current scientific data, the myths are purely fictional fairytales written by clever storytellers.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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@supermaverick
I would like to know where you got the info of when the Ramayan and Mahabharat were written down, because they're not right.
Valmikiji wrote the Ramayana during the Luv Kush period when Sitaji was living in his ashram. He actually started it right before Sitaji was exiled and finished it after Luv Kush became kings. The Ramayana was written right after it happened, and what you gave doesn't make sense, because Valmiki and Vyasa were not people of 400 and 800 BC. Even if you do believe the Ramayana did not happen, Valmiki lived much much before the time you gave. Same for Vyasa Deva. He wrote the Mahabharata right after the War of Kurukshetra, and even if you discard the Mahabharata as history, Vyasa Deva lived much much before the time you gave.
One thing to note: Valmikiji and Vyasa Deva were Maha munis, godlike sages, who were not novelists. They had no need to waste their time writing fictional stories, or as you say, fairytales, because they were constantly devoted to the Supreme Lord, and working towards salvation. They only wrote down the Ramayana and Mahabharata for us, the later generations, so that history may never be lost, and these great epics will be preserved until the end of the world when Lord Kalki will come. What need did they have to write fairytales? To teach morals? The Vedas and Upanishads could easily do that. What then was the use of "writing fairytalkes"? That's because the Ramayana and Mahabharata were not fairytalkes, but true history, which happened just as World War 1 and World War 2 happened.
@Shyam: I have just a few questions for you. You say you believe in God and are religious, and I completely believe you, but who do you believe Lord Ram and Lord Krishna are? Do you pray to Ramji and Krishnaji? Because, if as you say, the Ramayana and Mahabharata are myths and nothing else, wouldn't Ram and Krishna be fictional characters only? What's the need of praying to fictional characters? Who prays to fictional characters? We have many other Gods like Vishnuji, Shivji, and Brahmaji to pray to, but why do we pray to Rama and Krishna? Why is Diwali celebrated? Why is Ram-Navami celebrated? Or Krishna Jayanti? Why to we pray to Mata Sita and Rama if they are purely fictional characters? I mean, come one, who prays to fictional characters?
You can't say Rama and Krishna are Gods only. I mean, they are, but they were incarnations of Gods, so in fact, they were humans. Ram and Krishna cannot be said to be only Gods. That doesn't make sense at all, because if we reject the Ramayana and Mahabharata as history, that would completely erase the stories of Rama and Krishna. They would not exist. There would be only Vishnuji, none of his incarnations would be real. So why do we pray to them? Because they really happened.
How many people do you know who pray to fictional characters? Why would all of our Hindu festivals exist if Rama and Krishna were not real? Don't say they were real, but the Ramayana and Mahabharat were not, because that does not make sense at all. Shri Ram came from the Ramayana, and Shri Krishna came from the Mahabharata. Without those epics, they don't exist. You can't see Rama and Krishna as you would see Vishnu, Shiva, or Brahma, because Rama and Krishna were incarnations born on Earth, and their whole story happened on Earth. If our epics are not real, neither are Rama and Krishna.
You say you pray to Shri Ram and Shri Krishna, but you don't believe the Ramayana and Mahabharata. I'm sorry, but I dont' quite comprehend that. If you truly believe in God, you must also believe in his story. If you believe in our two epics, you believe in Shri Ram and shri Krishna, but if you don't, then that means you don't believe in them. Ramji and Krishnaji were born from our epics. If you reject our epics as non-historical, that means you reject Ram and Krishna, because they cannot be real if our epics aren't.
If one truly believes in Shri Ram and Shri Krishna, then they truly believe in their story, without any doubt or suspicion, and regardless whether science prooves God or not.
Yet, if you still want proof about these epics, I'll try my best to find them for you, but it will take awhile, because I am very busy right now.
I hope I didn't offend you. I'm merely expressing my doubt about your explanation.😳
Edited by godisone - 16 years ago

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