Originally posted by: Clochette
Ideally it should be like this (not mixing faith and politics), but this is what happens in India with Hinduism and the ruling party.
In USA it's christianism mixed with politics (started in Europe and brought by the Europeans to the American continent).
In Israel the mix is prominent...in every country ruled by Islamists it's the case...
Politics that defines itself through a belief system, the belief system will get affected, I think, because politics will ab-/misuse it for agendas that most probably will betray the very foundation of the respective faith.
That's why I don't believe in religions but in spirituality as - to me - latter is independent of man-made systems.
Hmm…
To begin with, the whole Hinduism and the ruling party thing. Congress did it too - just you know with the second largest majority that ended up dividing the country and then decided they’d park themselves here despite causing displacement of millions and the death of as many in one of the bloodiest events in modern human history.
Manmohan Singh famously said that Muslims have a first right to the resources of this nation. Congress was about to introduce a bill that would declare us Hindus as the perpetrators of any civil unrest in our country regardless of what the root cause of the conflict and unrest was. If that’s supposed to be the way that things are then no wonder BJP came to power and is here to stay because why should we let people who would declare us terrorists in our own homeland rule over us? After all, just because we are the majority doesn’t mean the onus of every evil thing that happens is on us.
Westerners or western raised folks of the subcontinent have this thing where they have an aversion to patriotism and particularly Hindu patriotism, because they conveniently forget we are a nation that has been colonised, invaded, plundered and left partitioned by outsiders. We gained our independence for the first time from barbaric Muslim invaders and monstrous Christians who both forced their religion on our people one way or another less than a century ago. We who are still alive as our ancestors were are here because we are aware of what our history was and have taken lessons from it. For the rest of the world, being patriotic may mean something else - for us it’s about being free and never allowing any invaders in our land again.
Christians as well as Muslims aka all the Abrahamic religions have always believed in weaponising their religion, it’s why they don’t allow questioning. I mean look at it - we Hindus never went colonising other countries or people forcing our religious beliefs on them neither did the sub-sects of Hindus - Jains, Buddhists and Sikhs. But Christians and Muslims from Europe and Middle East went around causing bloodshed and violence wherever they went and used religion as an excuse and justification for their loot and plunder. The Christians called it saving pagans from their false gods while the church and the monarchs associated with them got richer, the Muslims used Kaafirs to do the same thing. So politics was always a part of these religions - because if only looting was the point, why convert? If only conversion was the point - why loot? The Churches and the Mosques were used as fronts to justify the invasions and the barbaric treatment meted out to the people whose lands were invaded. I don’t even need to go beyond India to correlate the history here. Goa had inquisitions where women had their breasts chopped off for refusing to convert - the device is still in Goa btw. Muslims wouldn’t even spare corpses which is why Jauhars happened. Please don’t try to make it seem like this was the tradition yada yada. Mahabharata and Ramayana had plenty of widows from the main families and not one of them was asked to go jump in a fire to kill herself as her husband died.
But due credit to Christians, at least they don’t threaten people with death for apostasy.
Lastly, I have never quite understood the point of spiritual but not religious. The analogy here is lost on me. It’s as if someone’s telling me I wish to experience what living is but do so without breathing. I mean.. what exactly are you seeking with spirituality if not the Supreme Divine - regardless of what form or name you seek it as. We Hindus believe in the concept of the divine being everywhere and yet also being Nirgun and Nirakar - aka one beyond attributes and without a form. But the end goal is still some higher power that’s manifested all of us. I don’t think religions have any idea how to find or even connect with that power…. but Dharma certainly does. Dharma which is defined as beyond religion but also as duty - one may find the divine in their duty as a child, a doctor, a teacher, a musician, a painter or even just a parent raising children or since this is a thread about Dhurandhar - in serving a cause higher than your own self - in this case, one’s motherland - that selflessly serves countless people without hesitation.


I absolutely love reading your posts 

I admit, I tend to lose objectivity when I’m hungry.
I cannot even begin to imagine what it must have been like to live through 26/11 directly, in the city, with those memories still so vivid and so close. The fear, the anger, the helplessness, the lasting unease after such an attack .. all of that is real, and I respect the fact that you are speaking from lived experience, not from secondhand opinion. That matters.
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