Mannat Har Khushi Paane Ki: Episode Discussion Thread - 39 - Page 91

Ek min....if by any chance lead gets replaced, I am sorry but I would be out of this show and forum...I am here rooting for Manvik and will keep on rooting for them until Adnan Ayesha are playing them. If ever Adnan gets replaced and Manit is being projected as the lead, sorry to Manit fans but I am out of this. I love Adnan and Ayesha together as Manvik, I cannot see them with any other as a.pair.

Episode update

DK holds Viks hand and stops him from possibly manhandling Mannat again.

He refuses the offer on Mannats behalf and his behalf... that Dua wont participate. Mannat was not ready to even listen to your offer but I convinced her and then you add another clause. We have a right to refuse and we will.

They proceed to leave when Vish taunts DK. Trying to CA Mannat DK again. Vikrant gives a smug look to Mannat while Mannat understands what he means to say.

(I could only think the chullu bhar se jyada paani Vik would need when DM truth comes out)

Oh BTW... catering as a word hasnt come into conversation yet. The disgusting offer is for Mannat and Duas presence in SM in lieu of her participation in the competition.

DK stands for Mannats honour and shoots down Vishs accusations. He tells her not to act that she want the brothers to bond with each other and she should be the last person to talk about parivar when she destroyed it with her own hands, the blood splatters (sad choice of words💔) are still in the house.

He decides to leave while Mannat is to follow.

Vik is in tears realising the deal didnt work out.

Like a true ManVik shipper as always... Aish comes running with her burning shrug. Theres a commotion. Malla realizes Mannat saw Aish. Vik realizes too. Mannat goes into terrible shock. Recalls all the previous moments.

When it all stops DK walks out without even a glance at Aish.

Malla deliberately pushes her, Mannat hits her head on the table. Vik catches her. An intense eye lock. Mannat is pained Vik in trance. Mannat moves away while Vik is still stuck.

DK arrives and sees Mannats head injury, panics. Mannat tells him the woman was Aish. He calms her down, so does Vik and tells her she is Arzoo not Aish. Mannat refuses to accept and asks DK to go after her.

DK stumbles into Ys parents, Vish spots the dog embroidery on the saree and realizes they lied about their wealth.

DK stops Vish, Malla Vik Mannat arrive. BTS plays out as it is. Among accusations Mannat asks to call for police, Vish questions what right DK has, then proceeds with same drama of calling Commisioner. Mannat still is angry self. Says yes please call him.

Vish Malla panic ... Vik tells them let Mannat clarify her doubts. We all had the doubt too so let her satisfy herself as well.

He asks Kumar to take Aish upstairs and get her checked. In the room, Aish is having a panic attack and blasts these 2 morons. She regrets why she came to Mumbai etc. And worries Mannat will put her in jail.

Y is a witness to everything from the start and has decided to investigate.

Continuity error with Viks ring which I thought was probably a divine intervention kind of thing. But doesnt look like it.

Precap is Vik saying she is Arzoo, I checked her papers. So either Vik is lying or we are to believe Aish did show him some papers which we dont know.

As of today both Y and witches know something of each other. Who is going to trap who needs to be seen.

Originally posted by: Moor278

Because when Mannat forgives, the audience knows she is doing it with a motive. That she will eventually use that information to bring Aish to the books... which she does.

Even now, in the current setup, we all know Mannat is going to pretend that she mistook Arzoo for Aish but deep down she knows the truth. And she will make sure to get Aish punished.

Thats the hope audience has with Mannat and it comes true. Also makes for good drama.

Whereas with Vikrant, when he forgives, he forgives completely... ignoring every other thing he knows just because the person pretends to have reformed. And doesnt even hold them accountable.

Rather defends Malla in front of Mannat. Calling her motives originating for love for him when Malla herself had acknowledged that she trapped him in a fake ONS.

I know he doesnt know about Yuvi but he is on friendlier terms with Malla inspite of knowing many of her kaands... whereas the last 2 episodes will tell you Mannat has not forgiven Malla at all.

Thats what the audience sees and understands .... dont blame audience for believing Vik is dumb when thats how he comes across.

My question to you is why do you feel the need to defend Vikrant so much????

Bold 1 did we when the episode and BTS came up ? Lets say we did, do we not know Vikrant is being lied to? Same goes for m lying during fake engagement vs Mannat lying and planning to lie life long about his identity.

Bold 2 - I am actually defending ManVik, Mannat and Vikrant since for me both are at fault and both are victims. Both made mistakes pre-leap, both continue to make make mistakes post leap.

Points highlighted for Vikrant are perceived as defending Vikrant, points in favor of Mannat are perceived as she deserves the support because she is the victim. I am pointing out the unconscious bias based on gender for the same mistakes both have committed and audience reaction to these mistakes.

Originally posted by: Resham

Ek min....if by any chance lead gets replaced, I am sorry but I would be out of this show and forum...I am here rooting for Manvik and will keep on rooting for them until Adnan Ayesha are playing them. If ever Adnan gets replaced and Manit is being projected as the lead, sorry to Manit fans but I am out of this. I love Adnan and Ayesha together as Manvik, I cannot see them with any other as a.pair.

Who said they are being replaced? Just because Manit is also doing his character very well why is anyone suggesting that as Manit fan they want Mannat and DCP together.

Mannat and DCP have a very respectful relationship and as a fan of that I would love for it to stay that way till the end. Don’t care if Mannat chooses to go back to Vik or not. I for one want do see a male and female relationship from something more that just two lovers.

Why is it so hard to accept that Mannat and DCP have a great relationship why bound that or muddy that with them having an affair or love?

Originally posted by: Moor278

Is it really a gender bias against ML as you say or is it actually gender based perceptions and expectations that dont match the characterization of a typical ITV viewer????

The way I see it.. Mannat and Vikrants characterization is 'subversion of archetype' ... a trick of defying audience expectations by reversing or altering typical traits associated with that character.

The female lead Mannat is one who kidnaps, hunts and fights goons, has a crazy streak to her that doesnt mind hitting people. Everybody goes crazy for Gundi Mannat, Everyone cherishes Gundi Mannat... Everyone loves Gundi Mannat... Everyone loves the same trait in Aishwarya even though she is a villain. Mona makes it even easier to love her.

Mannat is unapologetic, ruthless and even cruel when the situation demands it. She takes matters in her hands and is capable enough to work independently.

All the qualities which are typical masculine traits.

In contrast, Vikrant is a Princess. Has been pampered all his life, by Everyone including Mannat. Lives in his imaginary and actual castle waiting for someone to show him the right path, always being reactive rather than proactive.

Needs help in making sense of things. Too pure to see through people's wrong motives. Being a perpetual damsel in distress.

All qualities traditionally associated with feminine characters...

So going by your logic of having a majority female audience vs a male audience... is it really wrong if the audience expects the ML to behave in a standard template???? Or even a little bit on that side???

The majority female audience loves masculine traits in the FL and expects the same in ML ... an actual male... why is it wrong?

Why are Vikrants faults given a justification as writers messing it up for him but for every other character including Mannat and DK its the audience perception which is questioned???

Why 2 set of rules?????

@bold, I just wrote something similar. I will tag you. But I didnt use such positive words. I think thats it!! The character is like this may be...(I called him fool but you can call him like this as well). Then my question to you is why will you expect a redemption from him? There is no redemption for a pure (gullible) soul. And there is no point in expecting redemption from a fool because they are incapable of understanding things around them without HELP. In any case, Mannat will forgive him and save him.

@red Totally not wrong. In this soceity you judge a successful man by some traits so expecting vik raise up to the ocassion is "biased" but valid . It is hard to understand him as damsel in distress.

Moor, stay with my thoughts from above. Damsel in distress will bring sympathy to a female because, we are conditioned to understand Why a damsel could be in distress. She is physically weak, may be confined to strict societal norms, too pure or gullible to understand the world due to the sheer circumstances. But why do you think a man can be called all this? No wonder noone calls a man like that. There should be some jusstification right? If he is like this because of the life long medication then fine. But no!! He is business tycoon yaar..comeon how on earth can be gullible? You see the disconnect? Not once, he falls for the wrong people again and again. How can you connect with him? Just because he is charming? and respected women long time back? Not enough. Audience will not accept him. Vik might be all that pure and honest. But it is not coming across in the way he was made to react to the circumstances. It is purely purely writers fault to write such meaningless emotions for him. That is my point. Thats where I THINK writers are not getting him right. May be they are women writers who do not know the pov of men?

The same writers are doing good job with Mannat. Yesterday you can connect to Mannat right away!! everything is what I would also say in her position. Audiences connect to that emotion....

Leave the twisted plots they already have. No one will commit the crimes they are showing, and no one will live under the same roof like that( i had to bring it :D). But they are writing Mannat in a way that is consistent with a woman in her position.

S did you watch the episodes since his entry and seen what all crimes he committed, how he EB Mannat into lying 🙈

Like @sadiltl said.. watching today's episode made me think that people might shift their likings towards dk-mannat ....today too dhairya confronted vishaka as to how families stand by each other, and when there are pure intentions people find ways to support each other, trust each other..honeslty here I felt they were pointing out both manvik flaws in relationship....though majorly vik is the one relatively more problematic in their relationship but mannat too was not able to stand by her love by not being able to support and prioritize vik at time when he was in lowest phase of life when he got to know birth truth.....as I said even though vik was jailing neetu and she needed support too but neetu and ronnie has each other, vik had no one...instead of trying to help neetu who already had ronnie,mannt should have been on vik's side...and then vik mostly has failed even more by not standing by his love by not trusting her....

going ahead with episode dhairya also stopped vishaka from CA mannat... This is the treatment usually ML gets.. If they are building dhairya's character with so much care, why can't they put same efforts for their ML, instead they are actually degrading him even more, this shows it's not even coincidental, it's intentional attempt to show striking contrast between both of them, this is where one doubts if they are going DM way..

Honestly with the way things are proceeding if it were in real life there is still scope for redemption for vikrant as a person and scope for mannat to forgive vikrant, but should she go back?, if it were in real life vik might be redeemable as person but manvik as couple are irredeemable.. No matter how much one changes when the past is so painful it's better to move on graceful by being in each other's good will...

But this is fiction, if it were real life the vik they presented initially wouldn't have behaved this way..they have made him a bait for drama.....and honestly I try to avoid giving attention to writing and try to understand from story point of view whether it's good or harsh....but since past few days the glaring issues in writing are hard to ignore...I know even in real life we often misjudge people and their true self might be revealed later but I think the way makers have fliped vik's character graph it can't be taken as even as misjudgement as it goes against his core character traits.. becauss once you know someone, you can figure out their core character traits in few weeks... the small nuance traits can be miss judged, but core traits can't be missed that easily...

So yes all times before wedding day highs or lows before wedding vik was within his character graph.. and on wedding day he went way out of his character graph by doing below the belt things.. it's was particularly established that he has anger issues but even in anger, emotions he doesn't cross line..

But on wedding day what all he did though out of character can be understood that he did it in intense trauma where he lost himself, he lost his identity, so he don't know who is or who the people surrounding him are, so he acted on mere impulse..

But what all they are making him do post leap is against his core character traits and honestly against logic too..him saying things in anger, pain,trauma is fine but there is limit to it he is coming across as arrogant, insensitive which is against his core character...intially he was presented to be humble and with no arrogance , empathetic, respectful and his major flaw was anger issues but presented it as even though he does mistakes in anger his compassion makes him understand his limits..

So yes considering its fiction where characters are broken and remade for drama purpose,and how vik is made to do things against his core character traits,I still hope they give redemption track for vikrant and redeem both vikrant as person and manvik as relationship... I know vik is major one who is problematic in relationship but mannat too has to learn about priorities...

But the issue I find it difficult to see the reason for is the purposeful and intentional drawing of contrast with dk..by making vik do things against his character traits, I intially thought it could be for drama... But sometimes I flatter in my beliefs in this

But on a positive note I feel they consider this as a story pivot point, just the day vik-yash relationship is solidified with engagement, they are also solidifying mannat-dk bond with this trust, understanding.. This way suspence is built up, but eventually they might steer towards manvik, I guess ...but I wonder how they are gonna justify manvik together over the other angle when they are laying such strong foundation for other angle.. Vik has big mountain to climb, he still might be able to regain his position in mannat's life.. but how will he regain his BDB tag?

Originally posted by: WittyKittyVixxy

Nutmeg is going to throw joota at me, but why does any actor have to accept the constant degradation of his character??

Your question: why does any actor have to accept the constant degradation of his character. - Not required to accept. Leave the show! But why should anyone lose their jobs? Will the audience pay for his bills?

Originally posted by: Rdigest

S did you watch the episodes since his entry and seen what all crimes he committed, how he EB Mannat into lying 🙈

DK?

Yaar i diligently watched Mannat for 50 episodes in the beginning. didnt like much so watched only ayesha's clips. Then got back during aman's track thinking it will be revelation. Then could not watch more than 10 episodes. I watched clips though. So I am not sure of DK.

But post leap I am following closely. I am more interested now only in analyzing how they are screwing up all the good chances of turning the story into right direction. Even now I am more interested in mannat uncovering the truths. More that vik. Because I think she will just accept him. More interesting will be when Dk become a real conflict in mannat's mind. Till now she doesnt know his feelings. Once she knows, and seeing how mannat is written, she will have HUGE conflict. It will get into "lost" zone where a lot of questions on morality will come into picture. Dk either has to die or free mannat off any guilt by marrying another woman. But dont worry I dont think writers will take it to that level. They cant handle it. They will just kill DK saving Dua.

I also hope DK to die rather than turn evil because Mannat will break again for believing a wrong person. DK might have to apologize may be for unknowingly ebbing mannat into lying...if they give his character that much importance. I am leaning towards DK's death.

One more time they play ek duke keh vaste…. I swear I will kill them